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I'm one of the few the actually prefers playing redside, and it's true that the early levels are awful.
CoH at least has more options, depending on origin, or if you're tired of that, you can do some sewer runs.
Snakes and Infected? Bleh.
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No kidding. Especially snakes. Wayy too many snakes.
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Damned snakes are the reason why the first thing I do when leveling up a lowbie on Mercy is to broadcast LFT. Usually with a specific reference to how nobody likes hunting snakes alone.
I get plenty of responses for teaming. Looks like we're not alone in this regard.
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I just PL my toons till they hit 30. That's when I start playing them.
I have more fun when I have all my powers are my disposal. But...that's just me.
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PL is sooooooooo boring tho.
When I am being PL I am not even usually in the same room. HELLLLLA BORING.
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I'm one of the few the actually prefers playing redside, and it's true that the early levels are awful.
CoH at least has more options, depending on origin, or if you're tired of that, you can do some sewer runs.
Snakes and Infected? Bleh.
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No kidding. Especially snakes. Wayy too many snakes.
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Damned snakes are the reason why the first thing I do when leveling up a lowbie on Mercy is to broadcast LFT. Usually with a specific reference to how nobody likes hunting snakes alone.
I get plenty of responses for teaming. Looks like we're not alone in this regard.
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Yeah, snakes suck. I do the Merc contact mish 'bug arachnos fliers' then hunt until level 6-8. Then I go to Port Oaks and start doing newspapers to get the travel packs. Then I actually start trying to team.
If I manage to get out of Mercy >.>
PORT OAKS is a Ginormous Stop Sign.
I can't play that zone at all.
It sucks my characters in and never lets them go.
I have probably deleted over 100 villains all in the level ranges of 7/8-13.
Heck, I dont even go to PO to pay the rent on our bases... Screw it. We dont need a base that damn bad.
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I just PL my toons till they hit 30. That's when I start playing them.
I have more fun when I have all my powers are my disposal. But...that's just me.
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PL is sooooooooo boring tho.
When I am being PL I am not even usually in the same room. HELLLLLA BORING.
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I enjoy being surrounded by crazy mobs. But again, my fun is different from yours in that aspect. It's not boring for me. It only gets mundane soon as I am on my 8th-9th run. But even, I just stop until my toon hits 30, which is about 4 runs or so.
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I just PL my toons till they hit 30. That's when I start playing them.
I have more fun when I have all my powers are my disposal. But...that's just me.
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PL is sooooooooo boring tho.
When I am being PL I am not even usually in the same room. HELLLLLA BORING.
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I enjoy being surrounded by crazy mobs. But again, my fun is different from yours in that aspect. It's not boring for me. It only gets mundane soon as I am on my 8th-9th run. But even, I just stop until my toon hits 30, which is about 4 runs or so.
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Well, stop and think about it for a second.
When you first started playing, on your first few characters, wasn't the low level game pretty awesome back then?
I bet it was. I mean, if it wasn't, why would you have kept playing to get to this point?
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No, it wasn't awesome. Creating characters was awesome. The idea of creating and playing superheroes was awesome. What kept me playing was all that and that it would potentially stop sucking when some powers rolled in.
Of course, it really just sucked *less*, but enough so that the ability to create and play superheroes overshadowed the suckage.
But even back then, I didn't feel like I was doing enough damage with many characters. I felt that I missed far too often. And the blue bar was depleting way too fast. Slotting End reducers does not fix this. Slotting TO and DO Accuracy barely helps. And enhancements that stop working every couple of levels are a problem unto themselves.
But despite the problems, this is still currently the only place I can create and play superheroes. That can't change soon enough, but in the meantime speedsters without superspeed who can blow a whole blue bar on a typical single player Heroic spawn and end up at half health or worse while doing so make low level play annoying.
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I mean, wasn't the first time you saw Paladin stomping past you in Kings Row pretty cool?
Or the first time you accidentally Super Jumped on Lusca's head? (that was pretty funny)
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If they were worth fighting and it was easy to get a team together to do so, I'd still hunt GMs like I used to. But any more they're too much of a pain for too little reward and no one hardly wants to gather for such battles.
Shock and awe has limited value. A cool looking GM is a useless novelty if it's not fun and rewarding to fight.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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@Tripp Hazzard, mostly on Champion. Mostly.
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Tripp, it's been bugging me for a while now. Where is that quote from?! I know it, I can hear the female voice saying it, I just can't remember what it's from!!
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Aliens.
The little girl they find
"they mostly come out at night. Mostly"
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AH HA!!!
Thank you, that's been bugging the crap out of me for a long time now, I haven't seen that movie in a long time so all I had was the mental recording of the voice with no reference point.
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Meh, I'm a 36 month veteran
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It woudln't be mandatory, just an option for folks like me who wants to use it.
I think it'd be nice to let the five year vets skip a few early levels...
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I'd be happy with level 12, for the DOs, but I'd really love 22 for SOs, although I don't really think that's reasonable. If I could start a character anywhere from 10-15 I'd be happy.
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Wouldn't anything less than 50 cause MORE complaining?
"I can jump to 20, but I want to get to 30!"
"Why do I have to grind the last 20 levels when I just want to get to 50?"
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Probably.
In other news, I don't give a flying flock.
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I think its the love of your creation that gets me through the first 20 levels.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
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For me, the issues would be resolved on several characters if the Dev's would just re-shuffle a few powers around in the sets to help smooth out the curve. No, I don't mean Tier 9's at level 1, either. 
But surely everyone has played at least one character that, after getting "that one magic power" everything got all better. For my Ice Tanker, it's Energy Absorption. If that power came earlier, it would have helped A LOT. For my Illusion Controller, it was Phantom Army. Only the fact that I knew PA was coming kept me playing him at first. I could go on, but you get the idea. Many sets feature extremely useful powers, that if they just became available a little bit earlier, would make the 1-20 game so much better.
OMG, this post needs some cheese, lots and lots of cheese. Do you know the difference between this post and a 747 jumbo jet? When you turn off the jet it stops whining.
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My dad, nourishing and loving parent that he is, always told me as a kid, "Crap in one hand and 'want' in the other, and see which one fills up first."
Too dang many crybabies, you guys make me feel OLD like I'm 30 or something.
--NT
They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a comedian.
But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!
If I became a red name, I would be all "and what would you mere mortals like to entertain me with today, mu hu ha ha ha!" ~Arcanaville
Here's a thought...
Play other games!!! *GASP*
Unthinkable I know. Still I have 3 and a half servers full of alts and I still find the entire game to be fun enough to roll more toons. The reason is that I don't sit and continuosly slog through this game everytime I'm at the PC. When I roll a new alt...I don't HAVE to get to 25 NOW so that I can get SOs and stamina. I can play with my SG mates and friends or just have fun casually.
When the game starts to get tedious...I don't sit there wishing for speed levels...I play something else so it's still fresh when I'm ready to play again. Expand your gaming horizons. Get on Steam...play some casual games(Peggle and AudioSurf are fun). Play some Portal, try Dawn of War 2, Sins of a Solar Empire. Heck, try some free MMOs to really get a feel for what grindyness is.
If you sit and fixate on any game for countless hours...you WILL burn out. I can sit and play COX for an hour or so...then log out and play something else on my hard drive. It stops me from building frustration at the fact that I can't jump the next 5 levels RIGHT NOW.
Also, being one of the most solo-fixed players I know, I still find teaming up with my friends and SG mates and just playing passes the time and levels in a fun and efficient way.
Bottom line...stop making hitting level x or y the primary focus of your COX life and just enjoy the game. New characters can be fun for the fact that they ARE incomplete and you have to work a bit more to get them to perform.
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I like the lower level game and frequently lose interest in my characters in the second half of the game. I have 3 characters above 30, all of whom can solo comfortably against almost anything on diff 4 or (excluding AVs) 5. I have seldom been so bored with a character as I was with my claws/SR scrapper once she hit 35 or so, since every mission was simply a case of charging the nearest group of enemies and cycling her attack chain until they died, then charging the next group of enemies and so on until the mission completed.
On the other hand, entering the Hollows at level 5 or 6, and doing all 4 contact's arcs with the same character, with no travel powers - I didn't even pick up the raptor pack - and walking out at the end at level 15 - that was some of the most fun I've had on heroside.
I enjoy playing a character more at the lower levels - especially below level 40.
It is not a burden for me to experience the "hero's journey" with a different kind of character ... or even basically the same kind of character on a different server.
Have fun at level 50, just don't do it in the lower level zones.
I'm going to play the game.
I have to agree with the lower level blues crew. I mean I can barely stand it slogging through the below 20's. It's like a punishment for the fun to come. I find myself often starting a new Alt, playing a bit, getting frustrated then switching to my fun higher ups. Often I just wait until a friend comes on and sidekick my lowbies. It's still a slog, but its a bit faster and I still enjoy the upper level mobs with more features then a bat swing or revolver.
What I like is the choice to do WTF I want to do either way.
SO, if I feel like running a new toon through the lower levels then I do, if not then I power past them. The game is setup so you have the choice to do what you want and that is WAI.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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What I like is the choice to do WTF I want to do either way.
SO, if I feel like running a new toon through the lower levels then I do, if not then I power past them. The game is setup so you have the choice to do what you want and that is WAI.
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The game isn't 'setup' so you can power past the lower levels. The lower levels go by quickly because that's when you are forming the basic feel of your character.
You have the choice to power level past them...but that's not a developer-implemented feature. It's just a symptom of human nature that some people look for that option. They have already done numerous xp smoothing and level curve smoothing on this game at ALL levels...the lower levels go by so fast now that you can hardly complete a single arc before hitting level 12.
The developers want the game to be fun at all levels if possible...but some people will complain even if you could skip the first 20. I don't think we need any more level bumps at the lower levels. Veteran or not.
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Starting a new character, for me, is like an investment. New characters are NEVER fun to play, so I have to grind through a whole lot of boredom to get to the fun part... assumign the character IS fun to play which sometimes they aren't. So starting a new character is a gamble for me. I have to invest a whole lot of time getting them to the point where they're fun to play, in the hopes that said fun materializes. Often it doesn't and I'm left feeling like I wasted my time and I never play that character again.
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Same here, I cannot just make a character on a whim and play them for a couple dozen levels only to find out that I never liked them to begin with. I also need to come up with a good name, costume, and background right from level 1, otherwise I run the risk of "Well, this character actually did turn out to be fun but now I hate the name and have to spend money on a rename token and hope that I can get a decent name."
And yes, a bad name has before caused me to shelve a character for over a year and almost delete it until a name purge finally freed up the one that I wanted to begin with. A bunch of new costume pieces to finally give it a decent look helped a lot as well to get me back into playing that toon.
Boy, I'm on the early track to "Cranky old man."
LOWBIE TEAMS FIX ENDURANCE PROBLEMS.
I start new characters with a couple of friends, and it's really pretty smooth. Yeah, there's some "area rug" moments. But the endurance lasts as long as the HP, mostly.
The AE has a few lowbie missions that are fun and good storytelling. Finding them is kind of a chore, at the moment. I will admit that.
To the OP (or whoever said "level 50 is totally different from 49") - My experience is entirely different from yours. Maybe if it still took 400 hours to get to 49, you'd know what the hell you were doing when you got there? Just an idea. It takes me more than 20 hours to figure out which hole the thumb goes in on a new character. Maybe you do too.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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Definitely. If I like my character I enjoy any level.
The game is indeed setup so you can if you choose too power past certain levels. If it was not you would not be able to do it period. Dev intent was not something that was in my post or that I was referring too in any way. I was talking about players choice.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Definitely. If I like my character I enjoy any level.
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This.
Actually, I generally start lots of characters then lose interest in some of them when they hit the mid 20s (like my tankers, usually - I really do want to like them better, but I just can't get into that mindset). I'm kinda proud of myself that I now have 3 characters in the 40s and 6-8 in the 30s - that was a little bit difficult for me because I like "levelling" and the levels are so much slower on those poor girls.
Altoholic - but a Blaster at Heart!
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"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."
I just PL my toons till they hit 30. That's when I start playing them.
I have more fun when I have all my powers are my disposal. But...that's just me.