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... how fast DID people get PL'd when you could get XP at -9 to the team leader? I have no idea.
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We were probably primarily limited by our knowledge of how to play the game. When the game came out we were fighting about +10 mobs, no AoE caps, no aggro caps, no XP leash, and no mob-level-range limit. In the same timeframes where this was all true, we also had no DR cap.
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And dont forget how much debt you could get.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Are you seriously suggesting that story driven MA content comes anywhere close to the number of mish's built for farming? Do you turn off broadcast when you step into AP?
Let's do a thought experiment. Do you think that if MA offered average rewards consistent with typical pay, but not rising to teh level of a good demon farm, that it would have even a fraction of the players that it does now using it? MA is for farming, no matter what teh dev's say.
I believe it was you that quoted the dev's saying that they'd never be able to get rid of ALL farming, which suggests that they'd like to get rid of farming, but realize their limitiations, or at least would like to get rid of some farming.
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On the face of things, this is patently absurd. MA is used for nothing BUT farming. No one cares about your fan fic.
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And if the dev's were interested in getting rid of farming, wouldn't it make sense to start with the portion they have complete control over?
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Oh, you mean, like the entire game? The Dev's have stated on numerous occasions, that they are not targeting farming in the game as a whole, that they will nix exploits/exploitative farming, and that MA is not to be used for farming.
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We were probably primarily limited by our knowledge of how to play the game. When the game came out we were fighting about +10 mobs, no AoE caps, no aggro caps, no XP leash, and no mob-level-range limit. In the same timeframes where this was all true, we also had no DR cap.
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And dont forget how much debt you could get.
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If you were making good use of any two of the things I mention above, debt was a non-issue.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I think a lot of the attitude comes from that until now, we've been mostly used to the devs being pretty lax by MMO standards, and being quiet about having to take action against players (as far as I know, anyway). Positron's announcement was a huge shock, but I think it was necessary to get the message across that farming MA exploits=bad.
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I have always though the devs should release monthly statistics.
x players temp banned for profanity etc
x players perma banned for RMT behavior etc.
no details, just letting us know they are actually trying to deal with rmt spam and not just their pet projects.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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Oh, you mean, like the entire game? The Dev's have stated on numerous occasions, that they are not targeting farming in the game as a whole, that they will nix exploits/exploitative farming, and that MA is not to be used for farming.
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Yeah, and they've been doing a great job of stomping out farming in MA. Complete and total control there, I'll tell ya. MA is used for farming and will continue to be until they reduce the rewards. The lack of action taken by the devs shows that they understand what a bunch of brownnosing RP'ers don't; they can't or don't want to ban everyone.
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I suspect there is no danger of that happening.
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I don't really get how "You are not to use the MA for farming" is anything but clear.
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Where I live, what, two years ago? We (our state) had had our school zones signs changed from "When Children are Present" to "At All Times"
A year ago, they got them changed to "School days from 7-5" mainly because "At all times" was too confusing to too many people.
I wept.
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I suspect there is no danger of that happening.
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No, not really. It's just my usual response to people posting "I don't get why people level so fast, it's not like there's anything to do post 50......" or my favorite..."You miss out on the content when you level too fast..." Even though I've done that SAME content for 4 years now. And it doesn't interest me anymore, since I play this game for rewards and enjoyment of smashing things that all my optimized toons are built for.
And since I enjoy smashing things that my optimized toons are built for, isn't that, in essence to what Castle said, not farming? :O
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I think a lot of the attitude comes from that until now, we've been mostly used to the devs being pretty lax by MMO standards, and being quiet about having to take action against players (as far as I know, anyway). Positron's announcement was a huge shock, but I think it was necessary to get the message across that farming MA exploits=bad.
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I have always though the devs should release monthly statistics.
x players temp banned for profanity etc
x players perma banned for RMT behavior etc.
no details, just letting us know they are actually trying to deal with rmt spam and not just their pet projects.
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Square Enix/Playonline do this for Final Fantasy XI. It makes everyone VERY happy.
"xxxxx accounts were banned for RMT activity"
and everyone is like "HOLY [censored]! 50,000?!?!?!"
It's one of the reasons I love that game.
I played a game where they bannered, prominently, how many RMT spammers they'd banned. It didn't actually make anybody all that happy, since it hadn't reduced the e-mail spam.
As I said, the devs in this game seem to prefer to come off as friendly... so the reaction to the Meow farms seemed really out of character as a result.
Do you know of "any" MMO's that don't have some form of farming?
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Do you know of "any" MMO's that don't have some form of farming?
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Hello Kitty Island Adventure has none.
But that aside, I also know of no MMO that thinks that Farming is crucial to its survival.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
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"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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Do you know of "any" MMO's that don't have some form of farming?
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Hello Kitty Island Adventure has none.
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HK Online has bots though. Mwa, ha, ha, ha!
I don't know how crucial farming is to any MMO's, I just know every single one I have played had farming.
Most MMO's I've played are way beyond what's here because exploits are not removed like they are here.
Never played Kitty, but it appears some kind of farming was going on with the bots I guess.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
freaks only go to lvl 45 btw, dont they?
no, they go up past level 50.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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freaks only go to lvl 45 btw, dont they?
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No, 54. Dreck mission for just once instance.
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since I play this game for rewards and enjoyment of smashing things that all my optimized toons are built for.
And since I enjoy smashing things that my optimized toons are built for, isn't that, in essence to what Castle said, not farming? :O
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"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho
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On the face of things, this is patently absurd. MA is used for nothing BUT farming. No one cares about your fan fic.
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And there went any credibility you may have had....
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Are you seriously suggesting that story driven MA content comes anywhere close to the number of mish's built for farming? Do you turn off broadcast when you step into AP?
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I'm sorry, last I checked "no one" did not equal "nowhere near as many". Keep backpedaling there, Sparky.
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... how fast DID people get PL'd when you could get XP at -9 to the team leader? I have no idea.
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We were probably primarily limited by our knowledge of how to play the game. When the game came out we were fighting about +10 mobs, no AoE caps, no aggro caps, no XP leash, and no mob-level-range limit. In the same timeframes where this was all true, we also had no DR cap.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA