Elizar

Female minions for Masterminds.

I want my kunoichi, thugettes, fembots, and succubi dang it!

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Do you know of "any" MMO's that don't have some form of farming?

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Hello Kitty Island Adventure has none.


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HK Online has bots though. Mwa, ha, ha, ha!

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Here's that "awesome" song. The original is a 10MB Wave file. I converted it to MP3 for the sake of download. Other than that: it's the full tune.

http://www.mediafire.com/?twdotggx2om

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The awesome some being referred to is probably the CoH or CoX login theme. The 'song' from that link is not something I've ever heard in CoX. Were you installing through Steam or something?

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That song plays during installation for the Good VS Evil DVD (bought it Gamestop). I've also confirmed from a friend that it plays on the Architect Edition DVD (bought from Best Buy).

Before anyone asks: neither are pirate versions. 100% legit copies... unless Gamestop and Best Buy are pirating software.

It's called Install_loop.wav during installation. The file is extracted after picking the hard drive destination... IIRC in your temp folder of Local Settings.

The file and/or player didn't show up in Taskmgr processes; seemed to be considered part of the CoH setup. Tried removing the wav file from the temp dir, but it killed the install. Hence my need of something like HighjackThis to get more specific and kill the player.

If you want me to upload a desktop recording of me installing CoH on Youtube, I could do that... but I don't think I'll have to go that far... err... do I?

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Three times actually (three rigs).

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Thank you for the advice. Glad civility isn't totally dead.


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You *CAN* do many things. And, on the internet, you *SHOULD* expect to get flamed for posting in a completely wrong forum section. What you are discussing is NEITHER a 'technical issue', NOR a 'bug'.

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If character slander is the automatic response for someone posting something in the wrong section of a forum, it says a lot about the community. There are dozens of forums I visit, where if a person makes a mistake, it doesn't result in: "you're a moron" or "your ideas are nothing but trash." Not everyone is flawless or all knowing.

Here it seems, one is automatically justified in insulting others for a mistake or having a different take on something. I'll keep that in mind... if being belligerent and self-righteous is the norm, then I held this community to a higher standard than I should have. My mistake: it most certainly won't happen again.

Three times actually (three rigs). Not counting the virtual cluster.

Is it all that hard for the dev's to consider removing the song? Just because something doesn't happen all the time, doesn't mean that when it does occur, it's not annoying.

Look... I've given my opinion: and those who don't like the idea, have only degenerated into doing vague personal attacks (i.e. poisoning the well). I see enough of that on FOX News and civil rights rallies: so unless someone has something constructive to offer - I'm out.

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I can't believe someone is actually complaining about this.

/rolls eyes

I can't wait to see what trash this guy spews on the forums after he actually plays.

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The heck? You mean people can't make a suggestion for improvement? Now everything I say is trash because I'm offering my opinion to make the game better (in this case the installer)? I'm not complaining just to complain: I'm also providing an honest answer to a possible solution.

It's called constructive criticism: opposite of what you're doing.

You're also assuming I just started playing CoH all of a sudden. Previous time I did an install, I didn't have the speakers on for whatever reason that was. This time I was listening to iTunes. As I said before: it was annoying.

I'll admit that at first I listened to the song: but after 3 minutes of the same 30 seconds repeating, it got old fast.



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well CO would be an online download, bet there will be music when you can have a disc install, perhaps you dl'd the other as well?

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Aye. Champions was an online download.

Ragnarok Online is a disc install though.

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You can always mute your speakers; and to date, I've yet to see a n MMO that DOESN'T play something in the background as it installs, even WoW.

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That's sorta the whole point. I like to multitask with my rigs: listening to music, installing programs, downloading something, running a converter, and texting the girls at the same time. Turning off the speaker, because an installer won't stop playing a tune is a setback.

I know it's not the end of the world: but giving a means to kill it would be nice.

I'm pretty PC savy, so after I noticed it wasn't showing up in Taskmgr, I just used HighjackThis to locate the process and terminate it without ending the actual install. But not everyone is like that... and I know I can't be the only person who thinks it's bothersome.

I've played two other MMO aside from CoH - Ragnarok Online and Champions Online (beta) - neither of which play music during their install to the hard drive. Only after the program is started.

CoH should strive to be better than WoW - so this is one good step.

Here's that "awesome" song. The original is a 10MB Wave file. I converted it to MP3 for the sake of download. Other than that: it's the full tune.

http://www.mediafire.com/?twdotggx2om

Now imagine listening to that over and over and over and over.

Turning off your PC speakers/volume shouldn't have to be done. They should just get rid of the song or have a check box to kill it. There's nothing wrong with a tune playing for a few seconds when the installer starts... tons of games do it. But they don't play music thru an entire 10 or 20 minute install, because it gets annoying. ESPECIALLY if that song is looping a 30 second tune.

Annoying isn't a strong enough word IMHO... but I'd get modded for saying the alternative.

I made a submission to Support for my own issue on this, but I got a generic "we know it's a bug... wait till we figure out how to fix it" reply.

So yea...

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2. A lot of us liked that awesome music playing when we installed the game. It's a matter of taste, personally.

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If you're into that kind of music, more power to ya.

But for the rest of us who DON'T want to hear it: give an option to kill it. I've 1000 songs on iTunes I'd rather be playing.

A suggestion...

When you're installing CoH to your computer, it plays this annoying song in an infinite loop, over and over and over and over and over..

For the love of all that's Holy and Decent, please get rid of it.

The song is horrid. Your normal PC user can't kill once it's going either. If you want to listen to music or play a movie while the game is installing: you're pretty much screwed.

I had to use HijackThis to kill it.

IMHO: not a very nice "first impression" for some people.

Hmmm... it would appear that i13 was given Live status too early. Probably should have stayed on Test for another week or two. Bad show really... will be interesting to see how damage control is handled (I suppose worst case would be a rollback).

Either that or it's a Nemesis plot. Dun Dun Dunnnnnnnnnh!

Wow... I hope the patron pets (Mu, Widows, etc) don't get axed. I really love them.

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I noticed there arnt any female pets for MM and I immedately thought 'Harem' though that might not work for the set the idea of having girl's in the mix for some or all of the set could be cool. imo (now that I think about Oni is usually female but I have never had a ninja mm that high and if I have seen one I dont remember it)

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I've always viewed that NOT having female minions is a bit sexist. You point out that some guys might consider an all female minion team to a mastermind as a harem... as if a female mastermind having all men minions can't be called a "stable" or what have you.

It's an idiotic censor to be honest... and I hope that Champions Online (CoH 2 for all practical matters) doesn't follow that stupidity (which according to rumors, is not).

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You are fighting a losing battle here. Even though there have been lawsuits, to my knowledge every single suit has failed to break any EULA.

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Incorrect. Sony lost an EULA case. Microsoft has been involved with several settlements (in matters for and against them). There are numerous smaller cases, but few that ever get media attention.

Despite what corporations might want you to think: EULA is not an "end all be all" matter. End users have rights: just because an EULA doesn't tell them to you (or possibly subverts them), doesn't mean you're not entitled to them and/or cannot fight back.



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The problem the poster has with vBulletin is this :

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Yet in the case of VB, there isn't a disclaimer outlining that you can't use it for hosting adult material,

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and despite having a disclaimer saying "Don't use us for illegal stuff" there are various sites that do warez, etc. that vBulletin ignores, they do pull it on something that isn't specifically called out.

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I'm glad someone else understands the problem, besides me. I don't feel an ounce of pity for illegal sites getting shutdown: but when entirely legit sites are served with an illegal license revocation due to censorship, then I'm bothered by it.

VB doesn't want legal porn sites to use their software? Fine. State it in their license agreement. Why don't they do it? Well... that because they could easily get sued over that. And there are many interest groups who would file such an act against them, were it obviously written so.



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I have a feeling that the guys who are using vBulliten on Warez sites aren't paying for it anyway So it's kinda hard to revoke a license that doesn't exist.

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LOL! You know it shocked me too, that a blacklisted site would have legally registered software running their illegal site. Ironic to the extreme: but the world is full of stranger things.

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So if I write some software and sell it, but don't want people to use it for content that users should be 18+ to view, I don't have a right to revoke my software from those users?

There is absolutely no way to prove someone's age online. I don't blame vB at all for not wanting their name on something rated X that minors could be viewing. I wouldn't want my name anywhere near there.

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To be honest, what you're asking an answer for is being fought in courts over other items. While you're only looking at it from the standpoint of adult material, it's the precedence of the entire situation that's really at hand. Why just stop at adult material? Why not claim VB can't be used by Catholic sites? Scientologists? Orphanages? Countries? Ethnicity? Yea... going extreme there - but I'm hoping you get the idea. It's a massive issue dealing with moral liability and rights infringement from all sorts of angles, which can be argued from an equal number of directions.

By the letter of the law, its actually fine and dandy to discriminate "end users" so long as you outline it in your agreement (within some obviously common sense reasoning). However even software user agreements have been a focus in court battles... they're numbers are only sure to grow. Yet in the case of VB, there isn't a disclaimer outlining that you can't use it for hosting adult material, and when you receive the cease and desist letter, your payment is not refunded. As one can imagine, that's already a frowned matter (just apply it to something else).

So yea... its really a big 'ole nasty mess, that's going to get sorted out sooner or later. But given there are larger legal matters being pressed in the superior and supreme courts - not to mention no one has seriously has challenged VB in court about it (yet at least) - its mostly a "nerdrage" issue. Doesn't mean there isn't a problem... or that it won't get legally addressed at some point.

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Color me unconcerned.

It's clear that the site in question was, well, questionable. CoH is certainly more legitimate than the site sited in that article.

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Again: that was NOT the only site. That's just the most popular when you do a search. There are several legit sites that were denied. It actually helps VB that a blacklist gets top billing, than something law abiding... a sad situation, because people only look at the blacklisted site as a negative, and not the censorship reason. It's adult content that gets revocation. Naturally CoH is not in danger, but I'd just like to get the record straight. And while there are some who really don't give a care, there are some who might. Nothing wrong with spreading the word or voicing one's opinion against censorship.

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It's a good try, but after finding out which web forum it was that got their license revoked, I'd say they didn't have a leg to stand on. From the vBulletin terms of service:

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# You undertake to;

* ensure that, prior to use of the Software by your employees or agents, all such parties are notified of the terms of this Agreement; and
* hold all data (including object and source codes), software listings and all other information relating to the Software confidential and not at any time, during the period of the license or after its expiry, disclose the same whether directly or indirectly to any third party without Jelsoft's consent.
* not to use the Software for any illegal purposes and shall comply with all applicable legislation.

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# The Software may not be used for anything that would represent or is associated with an Intellectual Property violation, including, but not limited to, engaging in any activity that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property rights of others, including copyrights, trademarks, service marks, trade secrets, software piracy, and patents held by individuals, corporations, or other entities.

# If any of the terms of this Agreement are violated, Jelsoft reserves the right to revoke the Software license at any time.

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Considering what that site is still up to, it's only through Jelsoft's good graces that they're still up and running. You don't get to complain about "censorship" if you break the terms of service that you voluntarily signed up for.

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It's up to you to do more research on the matter, but that site was not the only one - just the one most public. I could easily name two legit sites, but given what their content is, I probably shouldn't (plus you'd need a paid account to see the discussions about it). The letters between the two parties, also allude it had nothing to do with the piracy, as several piracy sites larger than the one being mentioned continue to use vb... although they don't deal with "adult" material.

Again, I have no doubt this will not deter CoH from moving to VB. I'm just sad to see it happen.

I don't support piracy in any shape or form - however I do enjoy certain AV and eroge. Thus my stance against censorship based on "moral grounds" as VB enforces (and not illegal software). That they refuse to even officially discuss the matter, shows how "sensitive" it is, as it could cause a legal backwash if it infringes on Amendment rights. Thus the less they talk about it, the better off they can get away with it. One day though, they might push a legit site with some money to burn, and see them in court over it. Until then however, VB can do what they want.

Their overall actions however, are VERY shady... as that link points out.

Also all the sites in question, DO NOT use VB anymore... so I'm not quite understanding what you mean by Jelsoft's "good graces" in the reply. They can't sue someone over having content from a third party that's not affiliated to them (legal or otherwise): that's overstepping on a grand scale. They revoke based on their agreement - and specifically call on "moral differences" - an ambiguous term if any.

Again: it's up to you to look further and make an opinion off the whole issue - but please don't base it off one site that's obviously not so holy in of itself (relatively speaking). That's what VB would want you to do.

vBulletin? Seriously? Jelsoft (the parent company of vb) supports censorship and can revoke the rights of any site using their bb software at a moment's notice without requiring to give a reason.

Do a Google search of "vbulletin revoke" to find one of the more infamous examples... although its certainly not the only one. They aren't exactly 1st Amendment friendly. A serious and "third party" overview of the matter can be found here:

http://www.thejemreport.com/content/view/294/124/

Sorry to hear CoH is going to support them... even if its only indirectly.

I'm certain this has been mentioned at least once before, but utilizing the The Cabal as a source for a new Mastermind Primary would be entertaining and my foremost suggestion and wish to the devs.

As I understand it, there are no known instances of The Cabal appearing on the Red Side, thus this allows their character models to appear in the Rouge Isles. It would help alleviate the rather obvious lack of female minions being available to the MM archetype. Furthermore, The Cabal are Flight capable, and having all minions with this ability at the end stage of their evolution could add a new dimension to how the class is played. Also for those worried about female minions being used in an "uncivilized" manner, the ladies of The Cabal aren't as "sleezy" as other women feature in the game, as they're fully clothed (so to speak).

For the Tier 1 minions, I'm thinking along the line that a unique attack capable Sprite would be in order. For the Tier 2 minions, the Initiate and Adept character model could be employed. Naturally for the Tier 3 minion, the Maven or Sorceress would be the perfect candidate.

Of course some tweaking of their powers be required - as they just can't be "carbon copied" strait out the box – and some thinking on how their outfits look before the use of the prerequisite "power upgrades" are used... but I feel the basic groundwork already done for The Cabal, cuts out some R&D effort, while still having some major appeal despite the cut-and-paste effect.

Yea or Ney my fellow gamers?