to the OP:
that is sweet, but kinda small gaming, imo.
Try to corner hi end, it wont be that easy.
say, i actually have 3 bills, i know i would lose in the hi end WW market pvp. and the low aint worth it money wise.
So i wont pretend this is Vegas, or at least imma wait in the Bellagio with a call girl counting my doe over a Chateau Petrus 2006 until next issue.
(soz for the english, im improving, but aint over yet 
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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)
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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!
I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.
From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.
Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.
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Projection: A defense mechanism where a person's personal attributes, unacceptable or unwanted thoughts, and/or emotions are ascribed onto another person or people
Thinks back and remembers an entire thread locked and deleted that was concerning a certain poster best described as toxic.
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City life I have never reported post or asked for moderation. I must say I thought very little of some people before today. But bringing fire down on your friends is even lower than I thought they were.
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man, i just felt somethin, i m no kind to turn ppl in out,or watava u call it in english.
i dunno what u talkin about, i just fun arguing to improve my english.
Now, lemme translate for you one of my old self made french sentance:" If you miss the ennemy, you gonna hurt yourself."
I often read threads in The Market forum with some vague reluctance, like "homework I know I gotta do but won't actually enjoy" - it pays to stay informed, even if it's not the most exciting aspect of the game, right?
This thread however is not one of those dull threads, I love it!
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that is sweet, but kinda small gaming, imo.
Try to corner hi end, it wont be that easy.
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in my experience the 'rarity' of an item has no influence on it's 'cornerability', the only thing that matters is how much incoming supply you have to deal with.
I have a feeling tickets have made Uncommon salvage a special case the last few weeks- supply is in the gutter, but it doesn't cost many tickets so when most people see 100k or whatever they either pay it, or hit MA to pick one up.
Pre tickets uncommons were really hard to do anything with, supply was soooo much higher than demand.
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My City Was Gone
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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
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Thats insane. I mean completely bonkers.
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The fact that you think that just proves my point further. Thanks.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
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Thats insane. I mean completely bonkers.
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The fact that you think that just proves my point further. Thanks.
[/ QUOTE ] His point was that Rush is a successful radio talent(number 1). Everyone ignored that part to focus on incorrect numbers. Regardless of which numbers turned out to be correct, his point is still correct.
edit: Also, raising the numbers for his own purpose wouldn't do any good. Since you know, Rush is #1 either way.
And my point - which he also continuously ignores - is that regardless of how accurate his point is (Yes, Rush is very popular and Successful), he brings the believability of his statement down by using invalid numbers.
That just leads me (and possibly others) to discredit his entire statement, once we see that part of it was a Falsehood - regardless of how factual the other data was.
My Meaningless Analogy:
"Here is the Worlds Tastiest Cookie Recipe. The final ingredient is 1/2 cup of Fresh Cat poop."
"There's no WAY that recipe tastes good, adding Poop to it can't make it taste better"
"Stop arguing about the ingredients! It's the Recipe that matters!".
At least, that's how I see the discussion. If he wants to use numers as an example, then they should be real - or when called on them just say "Oops, my bad - here are the right numbers".
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
Its like someone who thorws out a '95% of people' comment meaning a majority.
If you mean a majoity say a majority (ie 50.0000001% or more), and for piteis sake dont use majority when you mean pluarality.
If you mean 95%, be prepared to back up that figure.
The fact that AF was literally an order of magnitude off in his figures (30 million daily, versus 14 million total for 5 shows or about 3 million daily), illustrates that ANY figures he uses are not to be trusted, unless backed up.
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@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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His point was that Rush is a successful radio talent(number 1). Everyone ignored that part to focus on incorrect numbers.
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Nobody's saying he isn't successful.
They're pointing out gross distortions of reality intended to make the point look more grandiose than it is.
As this is standard operating proceedure for AF (well, except for the part where his underlying claim is accurate- that's a new wrinkle), calling him out for it is a useful public service.
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My City Was Gone
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And my point - which he also continuously ignores - is that regardless of how accurate his point is (Yes, Rush is very popular and Successful), he brings the believability of his statement down by using invalid numbers.
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100% of posts in this thread criticizing someone for being wrong about the size of Rush Limbaugh's audience are stupid.
The difference between the real numbers and the "off the top of my head" numbers he used was meaningless, as both sets of figures support his claim that Rush is successful.
You can dwell on the numbers, but you just look petty and dumb as you do so, imo.
AF Clone: "It will take a long time for a spaceship to get to the nearest galaxy outside of the Milky Way. It's like a BILLION light years away!"
Stat NaziClones: "You're wrong. The nearest galaxy is only 2 million light years away, so it won't take very long for a spaceship to get there. Get your facts straight."
AF Clone: "umm, OK, it's still far away and will take a long time to get there."
Stat NaziClones: "Well, OK, you're right, but your stats were wrong. Your stats were wrong. Your stats were wrong. Your stats were wrong. :P"
I have to admit, I find Stat NaziClones to be a bit funny.
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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
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The fact that you think that just proves my point further. Thanks.
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edit: Also, raising the numbers for his own purpose wouldn't do any good. Since you know, Rush is #1 either way.
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Logic and facts really aren't the issue here, just look at the responses further down.You have cat saying because I didn't research audience numbers it brands me an untrustworthy scalawag. Goat is still stinging from when I caught him deliberately misreading charts.
What do they come up with as a response ? I don't know Rush Limbaughs audience numbers so therefore I can't be trusted ? If that's the best they can do its pretty pathetic.
Logic and facts are always the issue. If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument .. especially if you try to stick to your guns and maintain your position, facts or no.
The fact is that you didn't know something, so you made up some numbers. If you did it with Rush's statistics, you could be doing that with ANY numbers that you put up, thereby potentially invalidating anything you say.
You don't 'get' that, this much is pretty clear. I'm certainly not trying to argue that you should. Just trying to point out why people are responding as they are.
You: "A is B because C."
Them: "C isn't true, so B might not be A."
You: "Stop harping on C, it was just an example!"
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
Are you people still at it ?
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Are you people still at it ?
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You could start a thread on ED 
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Only heard about it. Was it bad ?
It must be, I see a bunch of commercials for it on TV
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Logic and facts are always the issue. If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument .. especially if you try to stick to your guns and maintain your position, facts or no.
The fact is that you didn't know something, so you made up some numbers. If you did it with Rush's statistics, you could be doing that with ANY numbers that you put up, thereby potentially invalidating anything you say.
You don't 'get' that, this much is pretty clear. I'm certainly not trying to argue that you should. Just trying to point out why people are responding as they are.
You: "A is B because C."
Them: "C isn't true, so B might not be A."
You: "Stop harping on C, it was just an example!"
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Not to harp on symbolic logic but
Mine was rush is succesful, having a large audience is a sufficient condition of success in his field, his audience is large somewhere between 20 and 30 million.
The response is AHA you are wrong about the size its only larger than everyone elses.
It in no way invalidates my premise.
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Logic and facts are always the issue. If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument .. especially if you try to stick to your guns and maintain your position, facts or no.
The fact is that you didn't know something, so you made up some numbers. If you did it with Rush's statistics, you could be doing that with ANY numbers that you put up, thereby potentially invalidating anything you say.
You don't 'get' that, this much is pretty clear. I'm certainly not trying to argue that you should. Just trying to point out why people are responding as they are.
You: "A is B because C."
Them: "C isn't true, so B might not be A."
You: "Stop harping on C, it was just an example!"
[/ QUOTE ] No, the issue very clearly is some people don't like him, so you and others will pick apart any little thing. Don't be stupid, his point about Rush being successful is just as correct if he had 14 million listeners or 14 billion listeners.
You exact statement was 'one of the most sucessful speakers of all time'.
I can tell you in that list, he doesn't get anywhere near my top 100, inflated figures or not.
Just how would you objective judge the success of say Socrates versus someone like Julius Ceaser against the amazingly powerful speaker at the right time like Churchill, and Rush ?
It pretty much a meaningless statement up front, as there is no way of objectifying such a statement, and so its down to opinion, and basically meaningless opinion at that.
How can you judge the ability of a speaker who is dead and no recording ever existed of ?
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You exact statement was 'one of the most sucessful speakers of all time'.
I can tell you in that list, he doesn't get anywhere near my top 100, inflated figures or not.
Just how would you objective judge the success of say Socrates versus someone like Julius Ceaser against the amazingly powerful speaker at the right time like Churchill, and Rush ?
It pretty much a meaningless statement up front, as there is no way of objectifying such a statement, and so its down to opinion, and basically meaningless opinion at that.
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Yes my exact words were successful. I didn't say greatest, I didn't say most persuasive and I didn't say most intelligent. I did say successful. Because there are objective measures.
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I like how being a troll is a-ok with the powers that be, but stating the obvious gets you a slap on the hand from the Nanny Corps.
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This is pretty much the whole problem right here but you have to cut it down to the part pre-comma. Where is that guy with the signature about "mods should use the ban button more" at?
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Where is that guy with the signature about "mods should use the ban button more" at?
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100% of posts in this thread criticizing someone for being wrong about the size of Rush Limbaugh's audience are stupid.
The difference between the real numbers and the "off the top of my head" numbers he used was meaningless, as both sets of figures support his claim that Rush is successful.
You can dwell on the numbers, but you just look petty and dumb as you do so, imo.
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So, let's say I do an experiment, say street sweeping DA, to prove some point...like, you can make a lot of inf doing it.
So I do it, and I make some inf.
But when I post the thread here, I inflate my numbers by, like, 5000%.
While my main point is still valid (I hit DA, I made some inf) the way I present my point (by lying and inflating my results) calls my credibility and judgement into question and undermines my argument.
I don't pay attention to people who don't know what they're talking about, who don't care about accuracy, who lie in the service of their position. Which is why I've got AF on ignore.
YMMV.
The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
My City Was Gone
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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)
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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!
I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.
From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.
Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.
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Projection: A defense mechanism where a person's personal attributes, unacceptable or unwanted thoughts, and/or emotions are ascribed onto another person or people
Thinks back and remembers an entire thread locked and deleted that was concerning a certain poster best described as toxic.
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City life I have never reported post or asked for moderation. I must say I thought very little of some people before today. But bringing fire down on your friends is even lower than I thought they were.