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over . 6 months ago if you had of said flipping raises prices you would have been shouted down that you can't do that. Then it became you can't do that and make money, Now its you can't do it and make much money.
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I think you need to revisit our exchange earlier in this thread.
What you're describing bears no resemblance to anything I've read on this particular forum at any time since its inception. Your interpretation of past dialogues seems to be very colored by a negative predisposition.
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I very much remember those statements in the past.
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I very much remember those statements in the past.
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I very much remember those statements in the past.
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A lot of it has to do with different definitions of the word flipping.
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A lot of it has to do with different definitions of the word flipping.
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Gods no, please dont bring up the dead horse of "what is flipping", because when it shows up it always brings back with it the dead horse of "it's not true arbitrage" and I still have the mental scars from the last time that one came thru. 
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I remember a lot of different statements.
What I don't recall is any "shouting down" with those statements.
I remember a lot of debate about what, precisely, "flipping" was.
I remember many of those debates getting heated.
I wouldn't say that any side of the argument was squelched by the other.
So, again, I find the above description of those past dialogues rather colored.
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If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument
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Yes .. and that, to me, says that it COULD invalidate it, not that it automatically does. I should have made that clearer, and that was my mistake.
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Your statement indicates that the use of incorrect stats DOES invalidate the whole argument to many people, and based on your comments in this thread a reader could quite reasonably infer that you are one of those people.
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Your Point? I often DO decide on things just like that for those reasons, as do, I feel, many people. It was incorrect of me to word it the way I did, as I stated, but it invalidates that not at all.
You are just inferring far more into the staement then needs to be there. I'm not saying it happens all of the time, or with every person which is why I qualified it with "many people".
I already said "I should have made that clearer, and that was my mistake." - what more do you want from me here?
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what more do you want from me here?
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I very much remember those statements in the past.
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What I believe has been said multiple times is this: Flipping does not raise the equilibrium price of items.
It is possible to raise the price of an item long term. However, over the long term, either the price you started with wasn't the equilibrium price (which I believe is the case in the OP's situation) or you will lose money propping up the price. The definition of "long term" is open to debate, and I think it's fair to say the creation of alternate sources of supply on many items (particularly salvage) has complicated the dynamics to the point where what was considered "long term" prior to i14 may well no longer be.
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SwellGuy: I tried for many, many months when this forum was launched to educate my brethren (the poor) on how you can play and with minimal market use get rich and how you can use the flippers to help yourself and to be patient.
Then I got tired of the same old ignorant positions trotted out as fact. But there were more hostile posters to slap the fools around then.
I find myself less and less interested in educating since there are plenty of well written guides for those truly interested in learning.
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Over the past couple of years, I've appreciated your thoughts on using the market. Thank you kindly for everything that you've been doing because it's helped me, and I'm certain other people listened whilst ignoring the trollish comments.
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I too would like to say thanks for your posts
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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What I believe has been said multiple times is this: Flipping does not raise the equilibrium price of items.
It is possible to raise the price of an item long term. However, over the long term, either the price you started with wasn't the equilibrium price (which I believe is the case in the OP's situation) or you will lose money propping up the price. The definition of "long term" is open to debate, and I think it's fair to say the creation of alternate sources of supply on many items (particularly salvage) has complicated the dynamics to the point where what was considered "long term" prior to i14 may well no longer be.
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The original claim in the discussions I am referring to was flipping doesn't raise prices and increases availability. It went through many mutations.
As to the claim that this probably wasn't at the equilibrium price ? You can find items all the time that are being overproduced. They sell for little and if you want to take the trouble you can vendor them. On these you can set the floor and effectively raise the equilibrium price.
You are certainly correct that I14 has changed the dynamics considerably as there are now price points where it would be very hard to raise the price of rare or uncommon salvage beyond.
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They can't have L'il Tiny. She's Way Too Cute.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
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If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument
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Yes .. and that, to me, says that it COULD invalidate it, not that it automatically does. I should have made that clearer, and that was my mistake.
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Your statement indicates that the use of incorrect stats DOES invalidate the whole argument to many people, and based on your comments in this thread a reader could quite reasonably infer that you are one of those people.