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This sh** always happens here. Things get blown way out of proportion and way off topic. Ends up not being about the game at all. 
but funny.
Not meaning to be mean to anyone here. I like you guys, but it does happen 
I need to check in here more often. This is some silly [censored].
They are talking about manipulation. So I guess it's kind of still on track, but just barely. Funny, but disturbing stuff though.
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Yes my exact words were successful. I didn't say greatest, I didn't say most persuasive and I didn't say most intelligent. I did say successful. Because there are objective measures.
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Such as ?
What can usefully be used to define "sucess" across recorded history ?
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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Yes my exact words were successful. I didn't say greatest, I didn't say most persuasive and I didn't say most intelligent. I did say successful. Because there are objective measures.
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Such as ?
What can usefully be used to define "sucess" across recorded history ?
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Seriously or after a couple go rounds is it going to be a gee I meant to be a horses rear thread ?
Anyway, material wealth is certainly the most quantifiable. Total numbers of people listening is another. Significance within the culture is another. Objectively he has managed to do all three, solely on the basis of his speaking ability.
Now let me ask a question of you. You made the claim earlier that my misstatement of his ratings rendered all my posts untrustworthy. Your standard here being rather high, ridiculously high I would say. I have to ask you this how would you apply to someone who obviously falsified a statement of fact to the extent that it rendered their entire position false.
I ask because for someone who has bragged of having me on their ignore list, you are quite chatty at the moment.
I have never said you are on my ignore list, I did say however that I tend to ignore your comments. (My most recent statement of such came along with naming another poster in the same boat which is why I got modded)
Those two are not equivalent statements.
The reason I know this is because my forum ignore list is as follows and has been unchanged in over a year.
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So again you are making an error of fact: either confusing me with someone who has made such a statement, or taking the statement I did in fact make to mean something else; which is why people tend to dismiss your comments.
You have shown on mutliple occasions to be demonstrably innacurate in the area of making statements of fact.
So advice to remedy this, is of course checking before making a factual statement and sourcing statements when necessary.
Before making a post in a defender thread today, I double checked the name and timing of the Hellenic scholar who measured the circumference of the globe. The name I had right, the date in my memory was off by a century. 30 seconds in a different tab checking that date, made my post all the better.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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I have never said you are on my ignore list, I did say however that I tend to ignore your comments. (My most recent statement of such came along with naming another poster in the same boat which is why I got modded)
Those two are not equivalent statements.
The reason I know this is because my forum ignore list is as follows and has been unchanged in over a year.
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So again you are making an error of fact: either confusing me with someone who has made such a statement, or taking the statement I did in fact make to mean something else; which is why people tend to dismiss your comments.
You have shown on mutliple occasions to be demonstrably innacurate in the area of making statements of fact.
So advice to remedy this, is of course checking before making a factual statement and sourcing statements when necessary.
Before making a post in a defender thread today, I double checked the name and timing of the Hellenic scholar who measured the circumference of the globe. The name I had right, the date in my memory was off by a century. 30 seconds in a different tab checking that date, made my post all the better.
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I didn't say I was on your ignore list. I said you said that I was. IIRC the statement was " I have had him on ignore for months now and I can't tell you what a joy it has been" or words to that effect.
Now at the time I didn't make much of it, I am not out to pick fights believe it or not. It really doesn't rise to significance in either terms of the discussions on these boards or anything else, unless you set an exceptionally high standard of rigor over trivia.
In your example of the defender boards I might or might not have done the same thing. I recently posted in archetypes and powers about the maximum dps of a fire/* blaster just using fire. I did bother to check even though I knew the numbers well ?
Why did I bother to check ? Because the numbers were important there and the discussion was about exact figures. If the question had of been what AT/powerset does alot of damage I wouldn't have bothered. Matter of fact I probably would have said something of the form
"Aim + BU give you about 160% damage boost, blaze is about 200 and if you have your recharge up high enough you can do things like fireblast,flares, blaze 2->3 times in aim bu"
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I didn't say I was on your ignore list. I said you said that I was. IIRC the statement was " I have had him on ignore for months now and I can't tell you what a joy it has been" or words to that effect.
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Cite that, or rescind it. I never stated such a thing.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
You guys should give each other a break. Your going nowhere.
Wise words Cherokee, Im done.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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SwellGuy: I tried for many, many months when this forum was launched to educate my brethren (the poor) on how you can play and with minimal market use get rich and how you can use the flippers to help yourself and to be patient.
Then I got tired of the same old ignorant positions trotted out as fact. But there were more hostile posters to slap the fools around then.
I find myself less and less interested in educating since there are plenty of well written guides for those truly interested in learning.
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Over the past couple of years, I've appreciated your thoughts on using the market. Thank you kindly for everything that you've been doing because it's helped me, and I'm certain other people listened whilst ignoring the trollish comments.
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SwellGuy: I tried for many, many months when this forum was launched to educate my brethren (the poor) on how you can play and with minimal market use get rich and how you can use the flippers to help yourself and to be patient.
Then I got tired of the same old ignorant positions trotted out as fact. But there were more hostile posters to slap the fools around then.
I find myself less and less interested in educating since there are plenty of well written guides for those truly interested in learning.
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Over the past couple of years, I've appreciated your thoughts on using the market. Thank you kindly for everything that you've been doing because it's helped me, and I'm certain other people listened whilst ignoring the trollish comments.
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What more can really be said? I know I have gained some great market knowledge from this part of the forums.
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Logic and facts are always the issue. If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument .. especially if you try to stick to your guns and maintain your position, facts or no.
The fact is that you didn't know something, so you made up some numbers. If you did it with Rush's statistics, you could be doing that with ANY numbers that you put up, thereby potentially invalidating anything you say.
You don't 'get' that, this much is pretty clear. I'm certainly not trying to argue that you should. Just trying to point out why people are responding as they are.
You: "A is B because C."
Them: "C isn't true, so B might not be A."
You: "Stop harping on C, it was just an example!"
[/ QUOTE ] No, the issue very clearly is some people don't like him, so you and others will pick apart any little thing. Don't be stupid, his point about Rush being successful is just as correct if he had 14 million listeners or 14 billion listeners.
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I have no personal bias against the man, not do I know him enough to hold a grudge. And I'm certainly not "Stupid", thanks for adding the insult where it's not needed.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
Saying his entire argument is invalid because he got Rush's numbers wrong is stupid.
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Saying his entire argument is invalid because he got Rush's numbers wrong is stupid.
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Then the stupid lies on your side, because I wasn't saying that.
I said it COULD invalidate what he was saying, not that it DID, and that accurate numbers make your argument more believeable than Invented ones.
Not once did I say "his entire argument is invalid because he got Rush's numbers wrong". You, and I guess he READ that into it - but that's the Reader's Fault for adding unstated information.
Have a Pleasant day, try to cheer up a bit, and stop tossing terms like "Stupid" around like you do. It has no impact on me, but just shows your lack of understanding. Translation, since you seem to need it: "I'm Rubber, You're Glue".
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
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If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument ..
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stop tossing terms like "Stupid" around like you do. It has no impact on me,
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I've been following it. The sum of all the posts in this thread (even when weighting the genuinely intelligent and on-topic posts appropriately) is stupid.
I know, let's argue about Oprah! Or let's argue about Howard Stern! No, wait, let's harp on each other about how much Carlos Mencia earns a year!
Pie is more successful at staying on-topic than most of the posters in this thread. Pie, people...
Ridiculous.
My Guide to Illusion/Kinetics Control.
CoH_Player_101: It's okay. Your choice in avatars makes up for a world of indiscretion.
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I've been following it. The sum of all the posts in this thread (even when weighting the genuinely intelligent and on-topic posts appropriately) is stupid.
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Yes .. and that, to me, says that it COULD invalidate it, not that it automatically does. I should have made that clearer, and that was my mistake.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
You're probably right I shouldn't have used the word stupid, at least not on something so subjective.
I said, you said, I didn't say, what I really said was, but then you said, so that made me say, then you said again, but I didnt say that, I said this, I didnt say that, I said...
Uggg, you guys are either lovers of arguing or really bored.
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I didn't say I was on your ignore list. I said you said that I was. IIRC the statement was " I have had him on ignore for months now and I can't tell you what a joy it has been" or words to that effect.
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Cite that, or rescind it. I never stated such a thing.
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Difficult to cite as there has just been a purge and I am not in the habit of archiving the forums locally or page scraping.
Seeing as at this point just our two dueling recollections here I would gladly concede that you never intended to say such a thing. In that context though I have to ask might you have meant to say "I have been ignoring him" and had it come out otherwise ?
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I said, you said, I didn't say, what I really said was, but then you said, so that made me say, then you said again, but I didnt say that, I said this, I didnt say that, I said...
Uggg, you guys are either lovers of arguing or really bored.
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edit: Grinding for Vanguard Merits is also making me go a little crazy.
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Do these things ever go anywhere in the short term ?
Me I take a little joy in being correct over . 6 months ago if you had of said flipping raises prices you would have been shouted down that you can't do that. Then it became you can't do that and make money, Now its you can't do it and make much money.
When merits came out this board was pushing people to take the random, I was like well if you like to take chances to come out a little worse than even if lucky sure. I also called for tradeable merits and got shouted down. If I had of relinked to my old posts people would have accused Smurphy and Nethergoat of being my sockpuppets, when they tried to push to get them made tradeable.
Maybe someday, the idea that people can dislike using the market, without being rabid animals that need to be put down will gain traction.
When or if that happens I will be here laughing and they will be still be calling me names.
P.S. Maybe I should post discredited market myths to that other thread. I could also toss in the idea that inside information from closed beta has no effect on the market
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100% of posts in this thread criticizing someone for being wrong about the size of Rush Limbaugh's audience are stupid.
The difference between the real numbers and the "off the top of my head" numbers he used was meaningless, as both sets of figures support his claim that Rush is successful.
You can dwell on the numbers, but you just look petty and dumb as you do so, imo.
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So, let's say I do an experiment, say street sweeping DA, to prove some point...like, you can make a lot of inf doing it.
So I do it, and I make some inf.
But when I post the thread here, I inflate my numbers by, like, 5000%.
While my main point is still valid (I hit DA, I made some inf) the way I present my point (by lying and inflating my results) calls my credibility and judgement into question and undermines my argument.
I don't pay attention to people who don't know what they're talking about, who don't care about accuracy, who lie in the service of their position. Which is why I've got AF on ignore.
YMMV.
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LOL by that logic you should have put yourself on ignore long ago. Then again you probably have.
P.S. For having me on your ignore list, you sure do seem obsess over me.
Normally I would call that kind of behavior spiteful and petty, seeing as in this case its in a video game context, and its because you were shown to be wrong, I'll settle for pathetic.