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I call it pandering to a narrow demographic. Imagine what someone with a wider appeal could achieve.
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Which is why I found it humorous.
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Which is why I found it humorous.
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There are people I can't stand, have agendas I despise, but who have achieved amazing things. You dismiss such to your own detriment.
Jimmy Carter is the perfect example from the otherside. You may think he was a complete idiot, but he was president and your chances are somewhat less than 1 in 300 million.
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Way off topic but the man has an audience of between 20-30 million people on a daily basis
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Rush has always listed his audience numbers per week to skew perceptions five-fold in his favor. His largest audience was in 2003 with 20 million listeners per week (4mil/day) and the current stat is 14mil per week (2.8mil/day). Impressive numbers but nowhere near this 30mil number you've imagined into existence.
On topic: makes me wonder how much of your market claims are likewise exaggerated or pulled completely out of thin air.
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There is a difference in dismissing someone and believing that either
1) That they are not something I would aspire to be
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Jimmy Carter is the perfect example from the otherside. You may think he was a complete idiot, but he was president and your chances are somewhat less than 1 in 300 million.
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If I was concerned with becoming the president those odds would be different because the actions I would take in pursuit of that goal would make it more likely. As such, that "statistic" is less than meaningful.
Any any president you can name, plus Rush and most other people in the public eye (or public office) got there on a mix of effort and a significant dose of being in the right place in the right time. There's no doubt that there's some savvy involved in what most of them did to get there, but I find little about it to particularly look up to. I judge them on what they've done with the position, and if my best way to judge Rush is his net worth, forgive me if I don't find that so inspirational.
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Rush has always listed his audience numbers per week to skew perceptions five-fold in his favor. His largest audience was in 2003 with 20 million listeners per week (4mil/day) and the current stat is 14mil per week (2.8mil/day). Impressive numbers but nowhere near this 30mil number you've imagined into existence.
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My City Was Gone
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Way off topic but the man has an audience of between 20-30 million people on a daily basis
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Rush has always listed his audience numbers per week to skew perceptions five-fold in his favor. His largest audience was in 2003 with 20 million listeners per week (4mil/day) and the current stat is 14mil per week (2.8mil/day). Impressive numbers but nowhere near this 30mil number you've imagined into existence.
On topic: makes me wonder how much of your market claims are likewise exaggerated or pulled completely out of thin air.
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Good to know. Whats the source ?
And on to topic, It validates the point I was making that he has an enormous audience.
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I won't let you pull me into one of these board fights. I read this thread and that's what I saw.
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And what makes you think a "question" needs to be "A fight"?
I'm just saying - You seem to be reading a lot of negativity into several posts, including mine. That comes from the Reader, not the Writer, sorry to say. The only 'Tone" here is what you are adding to it. Have a great day.
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Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
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There are people I can't stand, have agendas I despise, but who have achieved amazing things. You dismiss such to your own detriment.
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There is a difference in dismissing someone and believing that either
1) That they are not something I would aspire to be
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Jimmy Carter is the perfect example from the otherside. You may think he was a complete idiot, but he was president and your chances are somewhat less than 1 in 300 million.
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If I was concerned with becoming the president those odds would be different because the actions I would take in pursuit of that goal would make it more likely. As such, that "statistic" is less than meaningful.
Any any president you can name, plus Rush and most other people in the public eye (or public office) got there on a mix of effort and a significant dose of being in the right place in the right time. There's no doubt that there's some savvy involved in what most of them did to get there, but I find little about it to particularly look up to. I judge them on what they've done with the position, and if my best way to judge Rush is his net worth, forgive me if I don't find that so inspirational.
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So if a sports figure has questionable morals you dismiss their athletic ability ?
An entertainer a questionable personal life, it must have been luck or being in the right place.
Would you discount JFK because of the uses he put his office to ? Or that he inherited great wealth ?
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You saying that about Rush is the funniest thing Ive read in weeks, if not months. Thank you.
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I'm a Republican and I find it humorous.
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Way off topic but the man has an audience of between 20-30 million people on a daily basis, and a net worth in the high hundreds of millions.
What do you call that ? Fail ?
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I hereby declare Godwin's Law.
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Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
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If it wasn't before, it is now.
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It's great when drug abuse-induced deafness and sex vacations to one of the world capitals of child prostitution with a bag full of illegally prescribed Viagra is defined as "success".
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Rush has always listed his audience numbers per week to skew perceptions five-fold in his favor. His largest audience was in 2003 with 20 million listeners per week (4mil/day) and the current stat is 14mil per week (2.8mil/day). Impressive numbers but nowhere near this 30mil number you've imagined into existence.
On topic: makes me wonder how much of your market claims are likewise exaggerated or pulled completely out of thin air.
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Good to know. Whats the source ?
And on to topic, It validates the point I was making that he has an enormous audience.
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Google Search of "rush limbaugh ratings 2009"
"Given how often he gets quoted by politicians and media, Limbaugh remains the Man. He has been for two decades and still draws more than 14 million listeners a week."
Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
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Like pwnz, we are frequently faced with posters who come in, ignorant of what we do and why we like it, who sometimes spout usually misinformed vitrol in our direction. That gets old, and lots of people get tired of trotting out reasonable attempts at discourse when it is met with unreasoning conviction of a different viewpoint. It's one thing to meet people who disagree with you philosophically. It's another to have them both disagree with and openly attack your own philosophy, and than ask that this be met with a calm demeanor for months on end.
Some people handle it better than others. Some people care more than others.
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I tried for many, many months when this forum was launched to educate my brethren (the poor) on how you can play and with minimal market use get rich and how you can use the flippers to help yourself and to be patient.
Then I got tired of the same old ignorant positions trotted out as fact. But there were more hostile posters to slap the fools around then.
I find myself less and less interested in educating since there are plenty of well written guides for those truly interested in learning.
25+ months ago the markets and inventions hit the game.
I don't marketeer and have gone from scraping by in the game to over a billion influence and infamy and from 1 level 50 to 8 since then. The market is full of win for the wise and woe for the foolish.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
FYI - I used to be one of the "The Ebil Marketeer's are Ruining everything" people .. then after seeing the discussion on both sides, I realized that it was not the case.
I "listened" to what people were saying, and then "tested" it myself. The people that refuse to do either of those are usually also the most vocal "The Ebil Marketeer's are Ruining everything" people.
The Ebil Marketeers are just providing a Service to the Lazy 'GottaHabItNowz!' People. If you are patient, you almost always can get what you want, at a price you want, OR LESS.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
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Rush Limbaugh. He frequently quotes the 20 million/week figure, altho he generally leaves out the "week" bit or just assumes his typical listener will confuse the weekly total for the daily count as you appear to have done.
His actual current audience size was a hot topic of discussion last year when he landed his 8-year contract extension with the 14mil/week widely agreed upon as the best estimate. Google should turn up plenty of hits for you on this matter, and Wikipedia references both those 20mil/week and 14mil/week values with citations.
Thats more than I'd normally offer to someone who didn't list any sources for their own claims before demanding to see mine.
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I don't recall either of those being touted.
As I remember it, the recurring claim at the time was that every item which was "over-priced" was over-priced due to these kinds of market manipulations.
The general reply to that was: not only is this a pain to pull off and not really worth the effort, doing it long-term would be nigh impossible. Therefore, it can't possibly be that common.
And, from everything I've seen, it's not. It happens here and there, and the attempts are short-lived.
Although, I will say it became more prevalent a phenomenon with the initial introduction of MA. That seems to be tapering off now, though.
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Attempting to do it, yah.
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Smurphy had a prize up (100 million inf? I could be making that up) at one point for anyone who could do it, and he was willing to provide the funds.
Then he was willing to do it himself, with his money, according to your plan, and pay you if it worked.
I don't remember all the parameters he set for the challenge.
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So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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I fail to see the parallel. And to answer the question, I may indeed begin to care less about a sports figure's athletic achievements if they exhibit questionable morals. It really depends a lot on in what way I consider their morals questionable. Some so-called moral failings are human failings we may all know somone who's done, but magnified by the lens of pervasive media. Some are quite hard to accept, and some reflect directly on their sports performance (performance enhancing drugs, for example.)
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An entertainer a questionable personal life, it must have been luck or being in the right place.
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Again, the parallel between a sports figure and a public figure seems extraordinarily poor. I do not see meaningful analogies in a sports figure, whose performance is far more quantifiable in terms of scores, and a public or entertainment figure, whose popularity waxes and wanes directly with the fickle temperment of society at large. Very few people seem to have thought Scotty Pippen was an awesome guy, but despite essentially being in Michael Jordan's shadow for some time, he was still well-regarded as an athlete. What's the analogy there for a talk show host?
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Hypothetically, since I don't "discount" him? The former yes. The latter no. Frankly, becoming president isn't a personal achievement. It takes the effort of hundreds of people and a party consensus that the candidates cannot fully control, and is heavily dependant on prevailing social, political and economic factors at the time. They make the effort to get in the race, but they have cruicial but limited control what happnes then.
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Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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QFMT (quoted for moar testing) 
Testing is always a good thing.
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The same/similar core 4-5 million listening 4-5 times per week is somewhat less of an audience than 20 million individuals listening once.
Thats not even touching the more recent 14 million, which likely represents a daily figure about 3 million or a touch under 1% of the population.
(US Population is 306 million pre most recent official estimates)
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First, this thread went from interesting to ridiculous but entertaining. Clearly some strange Market Forum drama spilled over from other threads.
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If I was concerned with becoming the president those odds would be different because the actions I would take in pursuit of that goal would make it more likely. As such, that "statistic" is less than meaningful.
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Certainly the odds of some folks becoming president is higher than others, but for many the odds are actually zero, and it's safe to say the odds for any newborn becoming president of the US are less than 1 in 300 million. (Source: Made Up But Accurate Stats Inc. 2009)
Funny that folks care about Rush's ratings. The fact that he has clearly been very successful at doing what he does is foolish to deny. You may think he's a scumbag, and maybe he is, but he's a smart guy who influences millions of people.
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Funny that folks care about Rush's ratings. The fact that he has clearly been very successful at doing what he does is foolish to deny.
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Didn't that pair of sentences fail some sort of internal consistency check?
There's a restaurant down the street. It's got good food, a nice atmosphere, and a pleasant appearance inside and out. It gets good online reviews, and has a repeat customer base that's friendly with the owner.
It would be foolish to deny that the owner is successful. However, it would be reasonable to point out that he's no Ray Kroc (the founder of McDonalds) or Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs is apparently considered quite personably unlikable, but he has taken a very hands-on approach to making Apple a household brand name and a major player in the computing and portable device world, against many odds. From what I've read of the man, I would despise him in person, but I find his successes hard to dispute.
In that light, I do not think that much of Rush's achievements. Yes, he's successful, but I consider it "success" much as I might consider that restaurant owner successful. He has found a niche and is holding on to it.
I'm a moderate Republican and my parents are quite conservative, and neither of us listen to Rush any more. For me he's too far right and for them he's too much about the entertainment and glamour of what he does. Neither of us agree with his messages any more, which to me does not smack of success.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
B_L_Angel: You might consider that this isn't the first time a discussion like this has happened, with roughly the same participants. I've seen people [I don't remember if any are in this thread] make a statement, get their arguments ripped to shreds, leave the discussion and make THE SAME STATEMENT two or three months later, presumably in the hope that the other side has left or gotten tired of arguing with them.
I ignore a lot of people- I've actually opened a new thread and seen that it starts with four "you are ignoring this user" posts in a row, from two or three different people.
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