I don't listen to him eitherÂ…but I hear people talking about him on a daily basis. I don't really care if you think he (or the restaurant owner) is succesful, as that is completely subjective. Though, apparently you do find him successful, just not as successful as Steve Jobs, so you don't really think much of his success.
If everywhere I go people are raving about a particular restaurant, I can safely say the owner is succeeding in his goal of creating a good restaurant. I'd feel like a fool if everytime someone told me how great a new restaurant is I responded with "Well, it's no McDonalds!"
Maybe the owners of the wildly successful Thai restaurant I love are failures 'cus their restaurant only appeals to the small niche of people who enjoy Thai food.
Country music artists have never really achieved any appreciable level of success because none have sold as many albums as The Beatles.
This argument is silly.
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This QFT etc
I realized that when immense wealth and power were declared not indicative of success. I almost wanted to reply with "You Fail TEH Real Life Shiny" at that.
That they went onto argue the size of the audience, is well pointless. The only point was that it was big.
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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
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Thats insane. I mean completely bonkers.
So this thread is about Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Carter conducting an experiment to manipulate viewship ratings?
Interesting . . . .
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I realized that when immense wealth and power were declared not indicative of success. I almost wanted to reply with "You Fail TEH Real Life Shiny" at that.
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If you view Rush as the voice of a political ideology, then measuring how much money he made doing it is like measuring how successful a resturaunt owner is by measuring the thickness of his hair.
He is, in my opinion, no longer the voice of that ideology. Once upon a time, he had a much more signficant support base among its adherents. Since that ideological voice is what I know him to tout himself as, I do not find him successful. Sure, he's a commercial success, but I consider him a failure at what he once set out to achieve.
This is why I find your pride at being compared to him humorous. That you can't understand why I'd think that just makes it better.
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Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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He is, in my opinion, no longer the voice of that ideology. Once upon a time, he had a much more signficant support base among its adherents. Since that ideological voice is what I know him to tout himself as, I do not find him successful. Sure, he's a commercial success, but I consider him a failure at what he once set out to achieve.
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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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So this thread is about Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Carter conducting an experiment to manipulate viewship ratings?
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Actually, what this thread has become about is testing for my own curiosity how totally willing to wander away from a thread AF is. He's done it many times before (with me at least). He'll pursue disagreement on tangents and sidebars without limit as far as I can tell. When he responded to me on the Limbaugh tangent, I figured I'd run with it and see how far it'd go. I'm a little surprised we didn't manage to derail the thread into space the mods would have to intervene on in terms of political discussion. While we've gone far afield, we managed to not tread on the mines there.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
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Thats insane. I mean completely bonkers.
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Not at all, lying about something (over stating figures) normally weakens an argument no matter where you are. An honest mistake weakens it less if you admit it, but still weakens it
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I'm a little surprised we didn't manage to derail the thread into space the mods would have to intervene on in terms of political discussion.
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I'm surprised my peanut gallery post about his, ah, habits didn't draw fire.
I guess they just don't love us like they do the general forum.
*sniff*
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So this thread is about Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Carter conducting an experiment to manipulate viewship ratings?
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Actually, what this thread has become about is testing for my own curiosity how totally willing to wander away from a thread AF is. He's done it many times before (with me at least). He'll pursue disagreement on tangents and sidebars without limit as far as I can tell. When he responded to me on the Limbaugh tangent, I figured I'd run with it and see how far it'd go. I'm a little surprised we didn't manage to derail the thread into space the mods would have to intervene on in terms of political discussion. While we've gone far afield, we managed to not tread on the mines there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJXU7EVXs2A
Mhmm.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
You guys do know that Moderator 08 has deleted some posts in this thread, right? You're not going totally unnoticed.
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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You guys do know that Moderator 08 has deleted some posts in this thread, right? You're not going totally unnoticed.
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Yay!
They like us, they really like us!
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My City Was Gone
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You guys do know that Moderator 08 has deleted some posts in this thread, right? You're not going totally unnoticed.
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Poor Mod 8. Being assigned to shovel manure in the disregarded underbelly of the forums. He needs a gift basket all his own.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
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You guys do know that Moderator 08 has deleted some posts in this thread, right? You're not going totally unnoticed.
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Is there a trail that shows when a post has been deleted somewhere? Just curious.
EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)
There are two ways that posts get 'deleted by the mods'
#1 is the Mod-edit which leaves the post in place
#2 is the nuke, which removes the post and all replies to that post. Very often catching many posts that dont need modding.
#1 is used if the thread is generally OK
#2 tends to be used when an argument is raging out of check, such that its too much work for the mod to edit each post.
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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)
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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!
I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.
From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.
Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.
The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
My City Was Gone
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From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow
forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.
Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is
tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.
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Sadly, this echoes my experience as well...
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I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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B_L_Angel: You might consider that this isn't the first time a discussion like this has happened, with roughly the same participants. I've seen people [I don't remember if any are in this thread] make a statement, get their arguments ripped to shreds, leave the discussion and make THE SAME STATEMENT two or three months later, presumably in the hope that the other side has left or gotten tired of arguing with them.
I ignore a lot of people- I've actually opened a new thread and seen that it starts with four "you are ignoring this user" posts in a row, from two or three different people.
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Thank you for the kind advice, and sorry I missed it earlier. If I were to take your advice, I would have to put most of the people in this thread on ignore.
I saw you were buying random rolls again, and if I hadn't said it thank you. Your purchase of my rolls got me started using the market.
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I always used to claim that this sort of manipulation couldn't be maintained, and this piece quoted above is the reason why. All of the trading should have shifted to be within his price points and stayed there until he got tired of buying things and not selling them. That's what my econ 101 professor told me would happen. That's what logic and common sense tell me should happen. That's certainly what I do whenever I find myself facing that situation in the market. What I have learned in the past couple of years though is that, in this game, for our particular market, there simply is not enough competition to break this kind of manipulation quickly and consistently.
Part of it is the low volume. Part of it is the low stakes. People just don't care. I mean, they care enough to come in here and excoriate everyone, but they don't care enough to price their items appropriately and buy patiently. Most markets really are self-regulating. Ours isn't, not as long as the overwhelming majority of people insist on selling low and buying high (because they're in a hurry, or they want to be generous, or whatever).
EDIT: I keep doing the same thing. I read an interesting OP, respond thoughtfully, and then later check the rest of the thread and discover that it has gone so far astray that my post is completely out of place. Sigh. That's what I get for spending too much time in real life and not enough on the forums.
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My City Was Gone
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For a while there was trading in between my buy and sell points, but it usually dried up and went back into my control.
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I always used to claim that this sort of manipulation couldn't be maintained, and this piece quoted above is the reason why. All of the trading should have shifted to be within his price points and stayed there until he got tired of buying things and not selling them. That's what my econ 101 professor told me would happen. That's what logic and common sense tell me should happen. That's certainly what I do whenever I find myself facing that situation in the market. What I have learned in the past couple of years though is that, in this game, for our particular market, there simply is not enough competition to break this kind of manipulation quickly and consistently.
Part of it is the low volume. Part of it is the low stakes. People just don't care. I mean, they care enough to come in here and excoriate everyone, but they don't care enough to price their items appropriately and buy patiently. Most markets really are self-regulating. Ours isn't, not as long as the overwhelming majority of people insist on selling low and buying high (because they're in a hurry, or they want to be generous, or whatever).
EDIT: I keep doing the same thing. I read an interesting OP, respond thoughtfully, and then later check the rest of the thread and discover that it has gone so far astray that my post is completely out of place. Sigh. That's what I get for spending too much time in real life and not enough on the forums.
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you shoud pre post pre thoughts that anyone would
A/ pre handed before you get
B/pre banned for an obviously blatent
C/ pre think that deserves a precinct.
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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)
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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!
I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.
From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.
Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.
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Projection: A defense mechanism where a person's personal attributes, unacceptable or unwanted thoughts, and/or emotions are ascribed onto another person or people
Thinks back and remembers an entire thread locked and deleted that was concerning a certain poster best described as toxic.
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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)
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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!
I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.
From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.
Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.
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Projection: A defense mechanism where a person's personal attributes, unacceptable or unwanted thoughts, and/or emotions are ascribed onto another person or people
Thinks back and remembers an entire thread locked and deleted that was concerning a certain poster best described as toxic.
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was it you?
just askin.
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Way off topic but the man has an audience of between 20-30 million people on a daily basis
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Rush has always listed his audience numbers per week to skew perceptions five-fold in his favor. His largest audience was in 2003 with 20 million listeners per week (4mil/day) and the current stat is 14mil per week (2.8mil/day). Impressive numbers but nowhere near this 30mil number you've imagined into existence.
On topic: makes me wonder how much of your market claims are likewise exaggerated or pulled completely out of thin air.
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Good to know. Whats the source ?
And on to topic, It validates the point I was making that he has an enormous audience.
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Google Search of "rush limbaugh ratings 2009"
"Given how often he gets quoted by politicians and media, Limbaugh remains the Man. He has been for two decades and still draws more than 14 million listeners a week."
Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.
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No matter which side of the pale you are on, Rush has his finger right in the middle of the sore on all most all issues. That's why the dittophiles love him and the dittophobes hate him.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson