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Exploits do NOT EQUAL Farming.
Get your terms right, and the confusion mostly falls away.
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There is a big chunk of people who believe that farming is always an exploit.
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There were a lot of people that thought the world was flat, the Sun circled the earth and great scientist like Sir Issac Newton and Davinci were dangerous because their knowlege debunked the above drivel etc..
What?... that was a group of zealots hell bent of controlling other people, oh so its the same kind of thing.. yeah I see.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I am with Nethergoat on the path to take to ensure my Sg and friends are safe from tripping some invisible too much reward of whatever kind isn't tripped an we are punished retroactively.
We will no longer play any mission in the AE that isn't Dev Choice. We will stay with content published by Dev's or sanctioned by Dev's. We would hate to level through unsactioned content too quickly and punish some author for their good arc or ourselves for going too fast.
Now as long as they don't decide anyone who exceeds their magic 1 merit/3 minute TF guidepost and punish everyone retroacively for that too...
There's an new interview with massively.com but I don't remember reading any of that in it.
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Gee...... Great. The carebears are hitting every thread. Joy!!!
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Wait, what?
Destroyed?
I don't see no smoking craters in the ground.
Oh wait... the EXPLOIT got destroyed. Yeah it blowed up reeeal good, din'nit?
Sorry for your loss, brah. Now suck it up and play, or not, your choice.
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actually what i think he was remarking about is the fact mobs got harder. which they did. Unless you somehow consider darkest night a better move to give minions than tar patch. >_>
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I'd rather have my ToHit Debuffed than have that much -res put on me.
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There's an new interview with massively.com but I don't remember reading any of that in it.
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I see no interview. Interview implies Q & A...all that was a report that the "Posi Letter" had been issued.
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The issue is the Devs have been doing this for 5 years... They give the players something fun, something exciting, and then when they realize people are using exploits to level too fast...they nerf the crap out of things, ripping the shiny new toy from the hands of the players... The Devs are gonna kill this game, just a matter of time now... tic toc tic toc
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You think exactly like me Ur a damn genius!!!
Wow i missed a lot of [censored] I haven't been on the forums for a couple of days. lol
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Look at the patch notes. The following items were fixes that ended the easy mode Power Leveling.
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"# Improved performance on custom critters with the Dual Blades power set. Changes were made to make it much easier for AI-controlled critters to get combos.
# Extensively revamped the Custom Critters powers Rank and Difficulty settings. Power selection for custom critters should be better standardized, more flexible and provide finer control over the difficulty of custom critters.
* All melee power sets have an additional ranged power added. Any ranged attack normally in a melee set will now be available at all levels, difficulties and ranks.
The rewards for defeating Rikti Communications Officers in Mission Architect has been decreased to match other minion level critters. Missions using earlier versions of the Rikti Communications Officer will be invalidated, and will need to be republished.
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These were bug fixes. They didn't Nerf farming, they simply fixed bugs in the AE that were being massively abused. You can still farm, but don't expect to go into missions and have level 54 Bosses that can't hit you. Or level 41 minions giving level 50 experience.
The AE is fine and will continue to provide content.
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The AE fine? It blows the bosses are unstoppable there [censored] monsters.
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The AE fine? It blows the bosses are unstoppable there [censored] monsters.
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They are? I killed two yesterday while soloing. Perhaps if you learn to play against enemies who fight back rather than huddle around bombs you'll be able to handle them.
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VICTORY: Little Bertha - 50 blaster
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Please! AE is only "destroyed" for the sheep. If you're a farmer and this is "the end" for you, guess what? You were never a farmer to begin with. Admittedly, neither am I, but I know more than enough of 'em. Over the years, I've watched them change their game and adapt to anything and everything the devs thought to do....and still grindin'. I don't hate farmers or badgers or RPers or newbies or casuals or PvPers or any other group. They're playstyles and just as valid as my own.
AE destroyed lol. Hot_Head, just wait for someone to publicize the next group to farm. You can then follow everyone and do this all over again!!!
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dang right bro.....
im still rolling AV mob spawns w/ 3 accounts.... Nerf vs farmer = investigate/experiment, find off-balance of powers vs mobs, farming gold...... with the new changes, just need to pick up some resist powers and things are keen
not sure whats all the whooping & hollering about boss' being so dang hard.... was working AV's w/o figuring out the ranged exploit in the first place
If it wasnt destroyed before its really destroyed now. Freaking ticket cap is unbelievably low now.
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Hrm... something interesting... get more xp for killing mobs +8 at the same speed as Comm Officers.
Best yet, since people were so hinged on farming before the nerf they're dying to get in on free xp. Missions fill up fast, fast with minimal spam to keep the old men in this game happy.
Better yet! Since all the AE Farming subsided, price on salvage has skyrocketed... this nerf has done nothing but great things for me.
Love ya guys! Keep up the whining!
Exploits??? Getting XP is an Exploit? Completing a mission is farming? What exactly are these Exploits?
I know if I make as AE mission with custom characters you will get level 1 XP doing it at any level. Example: doing it at level 40 you will get 29 xp for a minion, 56 XP for a lieutenant, 99 XP for a boss. Wow!! Boot me from the game for using Exploits!
When you browse for AE missions the first one on the list will get you 10 times the XP fighting green opponents than you will with my mission fighting opponents 2 or 3 levels higher than you are. Why is this not an Exploit? Answer: I am not in the friends and family category. There many things in CoH that work right only for certain people.
So here are my AE Dos and Donts for people who are NOT part of the friends and family program.
Dont: Try to create an AE mission that has anywhere near the same XP as someone who is in the friends and family program.
Dont: use custom characters. Your AE mission will be stuck at level 1 XP for any poor sap who tries it.
Dont: try to make an AE mission that will give decent XP. You will be exploiting the game. Unless you are in the friends and family program.
Dont: Think that the game should be fair and evenhanded with everyone who pays to play it. Its not, and never has been, and never will be. You have to be part of the friends and family program.
Do: Stay away from any AE mission that is not approved by COH. The ones that dont have the brown AE badge next to it. If you play any mission that does not have this seal you are exploiting the game mechanics.
Do: Try to get into the friends and family program. If you do get in, let me know how you got in. Its a sweet deal if you can get it.
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If it wasnt destroyed before its really destroyed now. Freaking ticket cap is unbelievably low now.
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It's still more than I've ever received in a single mission. Works for me.
it is significantly lower than some of the missions I have run.
I was regularly seeing 9000 tickets for large kill all missions.
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it is significantly lower than some of the missions I have run.
I was regularly seeing 9000 tickets for large kill all missions.
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That's impressive all right. I'm just not an optimizer.
LOL!!! The changes haven't really fixed anything. The farming is harder but it's still happening. So you can't create all boss or all LTs farms anymore. So? People are just going to make standard missions with a mix of minions to bosses and run the same missions over and over again.
Until they completely remove xp from the AE missions NOTHING will change. And when they do that expect to see lots of tumbleweeds in the AE building.
I wish that the AE never ever came to CoH because "FOR ME" it ruined the game...I can never find teams...everyone is always at the AE. and i don't like those mishes...I like the CoH created ones...and why doesn't any go to farm at paragrine island(i dunno what its called) any more? I LOVED THAT PLACE! now its empty...
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It's easier to get the newbies into the building across the street from the starting trainer, than allllll the way across Paragon, is why.
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I wish that the AE never ever came to CoH because "FOR ME" it ruined the game...I can never find teams...everyone is always at the AE. and i don't like those mishes...I like the CoH created ones...and why doesn't any go to farm at paragrine island(i dunno what its called) any more? I LOVED THAT PLACE! now its empty...
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Its early in the AE cycle and adjustments are being made that will return more hardcore farmers that charge 1-15 million per run back to Granville and PI as they have already started moving back there tonight. Now you can go back there and be frustrated by not finding 40+ teams there not farming just like the old days. Happy?
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
peeps complaining & whining may wanna work on their connections.... yeah, loose pugs aint happening instantaneously anymore, but strong SG's and networks are still running TFs, since honestly ITF's are the best and funnest gains all around.
At least in the upper tier networks of champion, there's itf and other tf pugs going on still.....
I don't care if people farm. If they want to race to 50 only to discover that 50's just the same as 5, more power to them.
However, the AE exploit farmers made absolute pests of themselves, at least on Virtue. Over the past three weeks, I was getting a constant stream of "will u fill for us?" tells. Not even a real team invite, but "join our team so we can spawn for a team of 8, then adios, muchacho--you don't even get to play with us". I'm sure I wasn't the only one fending off these non-team-invites.
On top of that, good missions that people were working hard on were getting bumped off the lists, buried in clone after clone after clone of the same map, with the same "custom" Rikti Communication Officer "group". If it were that there were just one of those, fine, but there were hundreds, if not thousands, of those. Since the exploit farmers were five-starring them, they were high on the lists.
As for the logic that these farmers would buy new character slots--feh, total crap. That logic's completely specious. I've been here since the very beginning of the game. I wasn't in Beta, but I was here on Day One. I've seen the way farmers in CoH actually operate (as opposed to how they claim to operate when they whine on the boards).
Here's what would really happen: they'd get their 50, and maybe a second. Possibly a third. Then they'd decide, in their heads, they'd "beat" the game and quit in a month, maybe two. Really, be honest with yourself. How long would you stay in a game, doing the same damn map, fighting the same challenge-less mobs, over and over and over? The answer is, you wouldn't.
So, no, NCSoft isn't about to lose any money out of this. Allowing the exploitative farming to continue would have lost them money.
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Look at the patch notes. The following items were fixes that ended the easy mode Power Leveling.
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"# Improved performance on custom critters with the Dual Blades power set. Changes were made to make it much easier for AI-controlled critters to get combos.
# Extensively revamped the Custom Critters powers Rank and Difficulty settings. Power selection for custom critters should be better standardized, more flexible and provide finer control over the difficulty of custom critters.
* All melee power sets have an additional ranged power added. Any ranged attack normally in a melee set will now be available at all levels, difficulties and ranks.
The rewards for defeating Rikti Communications Officers in Mission Architect has been decreased to match other minion level critters. Missions using earlier versions of the Rikti Communications Officer will be invalidated, and will need to be republished.
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These were bug fixes. They didn't Nerf farming, they simply fixed bugs in the AE that were being massively abused. You can still farm, but don't expect to go into missions and have level 54 Bosses that can't hit you. Or level 41 minions giving level 50 experience.
The AE is fine and will continue to provide content.