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They're already datamining... wouldn't be hard for the CS reps to start matching up forum names to global accounts, give the number-crunchers something to focus on...
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In a recent interview, Posi mentioned that the MA was generating record server activity, so the MA the way it was in all it's xp/inf. glory was most assuredly contributing to these high activity bursts no doubt. This, turned Posi's headaches into a double edged sword.
He did say that they would not really nerf this dilema but dull the blade a bit by issue 15. He and the Paragon Studio staff are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they totally nerf it, it may kill the subscriber rate and activity, as they are well aware of.. But if they don't, then it does create a very high and unnatural way of earning XP/Inf, which, according to their own EULA, is a possible bug exploit. But, since everyone is farming and using it to their advantage, you can't really go ban everyone on every server, so what to do?
But who knows.
I can't feel my legs..!
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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Ya, funny how those who petition MA arcs for being a farm, have no problems hopping on a sewer team for XP's and faster leveing. Or, they do speed TF's. Aren't both of these technically called farming?
Hypocrites abound in this game for sure..
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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Ya, funny how those who petition MA arcs for being a farm, have no problems hopping on a sewer team for XP's and faster leveing. Or, they do speed TF's. Aren't both of these technically called farming?
Hypocrites abound in this game for sure..
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Somehow those things don't interrupt their game play... Maybe everyone should start spamming "Sewer team LFM" all the time and see if the sewers get a nerf.
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Back to locking xp at 46 and PLing toons the old fashion way.
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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Ya, funny how those who petition MA arcs for being a farm, have no problems hopping on a sewer team for XP's and faster leveing. Or, they do speed TF's. Aren't both of these technically called farming?
Hypocrites abound in this game for sure..
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Somehow those things don't interrupt their game play... Maybe everyone should start spamming "Sewer team LFM" all the time and see if the sewers get a nerf.
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Yeah imma feel so better when Sewers and fast TF's get nerfed those people ruined mah game and made life a living heck for others.........I cant wait till the devs fix this exploit and posi bans people......
leveling faster than people that dont...skipping Lvl 1 content!!! You all should be ashamed!!!
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People will just go back to regular regular missions again - be they in the outside game or in the MA.
In a few days, normal teaming might actually return.
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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I said that was the way to go and what farmers would do. I did it day one on a mission in case people cried about it I just unpublished it each time I was done using it.
Farming is still easy in AE you can still build mobs that are easier for your toon to fight and harvest it just is not as fast as it use to be but still not going anywhere
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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Ya, funny how those who petition MA arcs for being a farm, have no problems hopping on a sewer team for XP's and faster leveing. Or, they do speed TF's. Aren't both of these technically called farming?
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Yeah, because it's not like the devs stated quite clearly in the I14 release notes that the MA was not to be used for farming.
Oh, wait, yes they did! Last I saw, neither the sewer nor TFs were in the MA.
People willfully ignoring the facts in order to make themselves look like martyrs seem more prevalent than the hypocrites today.
@Doctor Gemini
Arc #271637 - Welcome to M.A.G.I. - An alternative first story arc for magic origin heroes. At Hero Registration you heard the jokes about Azuria always losing things. When she loses the entire M.A.G.I. vault, you are chosen to find it.
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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This is the part that the farming reporters don't get. There are at least half a dozen other mobs/mob types that work just as well as Rikti Comms did (maybe 15% less xp) and the resilient have already switched to those mobs. Heck, two people I know PLANNED this and set their missions last night. The difference is, these folks have learned not to open their pieholes and keep this stuff to themselves.
What's especially sad is how people who have been here 5 years, still don't realize that this is a speedbump. What happened after the purple patch? Did farming die then? How about when burn was nerfed? Anything? Or when rikti monkeys got nerfed? Or the original Rikti Comm Officer (and Death Shaman) nerf? Smoke Grenade nerf? Oh oh oh! I5! That musta killed farming!! WHAT?!? It didn't? XP range nerf (both 'dead xp' and the Brickstown tram-based one)?
Please! AE is only "destroyed" for the sheep. If you're a farmer and this is "the end" for you, guess what? You were never a farmer to begin with. Admittedly, neither am I, but I know more than enough of 'em. Over the years, I've watched them change their game and adapt to anything and everything the devs thought to do....and still grindin'. I don't hate farmers or badgers or RPers or newbies or casuals or PvPers or any other group. They're playstyles and just as valid as my own.
AE destroyed lol. Hot_Head, just wait for someone to publicize the next group to farm. You can then follow everyone and do this all over again!!!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!
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Yeah, that will totally prevent the dev datamines from uncovering your outlier reward rates.
Genius!
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
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It is? Lineage and Lineage II are both monthly subscription based, aren't they?
One to two million combined subscribers for Lineage and Lineage II. Source:
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html
There's been countless farming threads, and I've stayed out of it until now. Let me just say this:
I don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt my ability to enjoy the game. That is, let them farm, just don't hinder my gameplay. However, the farming HAS hindered my gameplay. Since the MA went live, I've been unable to get a team for anything except MA farms. I've been trying to get teams for my trio of new characters (L1-10), but it has been completely impossible. The only missions are farms.
Now, even this I would have no real trouble with, except that there's NOTHING to them. They can't put even a LITTLE thought and story into it? I mean, the point of playing is to have fun, not to grind xp (or let others do it for you).
I suppose from some perspective, doing sewer runs doesn't have any more story to it, but there is still a goal in mind - usually to reach King's Row via the sewers. The farms don't have even this little.
... there's a thought.
I need to take my 50 and map out the sewers.
Actually at one time, I believe people did this for their "unregistered" heroes... their villains before CoV came about... they couldn't use the trams or the war wall underpasses cos of the drones... so they'd use the sewers to get from zone to zone.
Hardcore, but still do-able.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
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It is? Lineage and Lineage II are both monthly subscription based, aren't they?
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http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html
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Looks to me like their subscription numbers on both are dropping. Not quite sure why MMOGChart didn't put CoH on there, though... probably because all of those are fantasy titles... not exactly the same genre.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
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See . . . Here's the thing . . .
You are making the classic error.
You are confusing, and mixing the terms 'farming', and 'exploiting'.
FARMING will continue, and is a normal, and useful thing for a lot of players.
Especially players who want to continue to play their 50s. That is how they are going to make money to keep buying and maxing out their IO slotting. They will indeed try to find whatever gives them the best yield to that end.
Playing the same things repetitively, and finding the best way to do that, in itself, does not bother the devs. (although they DID say they worry about repetitive play causing burnout, . . . which IS bad.)
EXPLOITS, on the other hand, are ALWAYS considered bad.
Exploits, are beyond 'better yield'.
Exploits, gain MEGA yield. They are rewards on steroids. uber-xp or uber-gold. and like steroids, there are bad side effects, if exploits are left in the game, or used too long.
Exploits do NOT EQUAL Farming.
Get your terms right, and the confusion mostly falls away.
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... Mostly, yes.
The problem is, people will begin doing the "What about this? or this? is this an exploit?" game.
Or, they'll simply keep the 'hi-gain' formula to themselves, hoping that the data gleaned from the server logs doesn't point a big neon arrow right at them.
... I wonder if they keep track of unpubs and repubs on the same account... that's a scary thought...
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
I find it highly amusing to see several groups of poor sapps trying to farm custom boss maps this evening. I literally watched a group go in and team wipe to the hosp within mins of entering.
Why would people be trying to farm overpowered custom critters that were buffed with more powers in the recent patch? 
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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MA Arcs: Yarmouth 1509 and 58812
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Destroyed?
I don't see no smoking craters in the ground.
Oh wait... the EXPLOIT got destroyed. Yeah it blowed up reeeal good, din'nit?
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actually what i think he was remarking about is the fact mobs got harder. which they did. Unless you somehow consider darkest night a better move to give minions than tar patch. >_>
Want comedy and lighthearted action? Between levels 1-14? Try Nuclear in 90 - The Fusionette Task Force!
Arc ID 58363!
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I find it highly amusing to see several groups of poor sapps trying to farm custom boss maps this evening. I literally watched a group go in and team wipe to the hosp within mins of entering.
Why would people be trying to farm overpowered custom critters that were buffed with more powers in the recent patch?
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Because some people find it fun to fight insanely overpowered mobs and try to survive?
Want comedy and lighthearted action? Between levels 1-14? Try Nuclear in 90 - The Fusionette Task Force!
Arc ID 58363!
Nah, people don't farm overpowered mobs for fun. They farm them under the mistaken premise that this is an "easy" mob, just like PvE. The actual truth is the PvE mobs are way easier to farm especially since the patch and save comm officers they always have been.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Because of the high amount of xp/inf we once earned with Rikti Com Officers, CoX has received some of the highest traffic on all servers for the longest time as we PL'd our toons from 1-40 in 4 hours. It was great fun and we started to re-connect with people as we'd join teams with the goal of getting another lvl 50.
I fear that the devs may be crippling a golden opportunity. If we are leveling faster than usual, then at some point in time we're going to need to buy more character slots.
Selling slots to even 1/2 of the players because of this fast leveling, where they didn't sell them fast enough before, would equate into big money.
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Current slot pricing:
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1 slot costs $6.00
2 slots cost $10.00
5 slots cost $20.00
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10,000 players buy:
1 slot = $60.000
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5 slots = $200,000
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50,000 players buy:
1 slot = $300,000
2 slots = $500,000
5 slots = $1,000,000
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100,000 players buy:
1 slot = $600,000
2 slots = $1,000,000
5 slots = $2,000,000
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This huge influx of currency will allow then to create and expand this game in ways not thought possible. They could monetarily have the chance to really compete with Blizzard and win back all those converts. But, the devs have to bite the bullet and let it go. The baby that they treasure needs to grow. They need to let the baby leave the nest.
Wherever the players take the game, let it happen. Don't resist it. Go with the flow. The players are farming to get their toons up to 50 fast.. Just let it happen. It's what the players want. It's what the players are doing. Just relent and let it go devs. We know you mean well, but sometimes you forget that we players are the ones who determine where the game should go, not you.
It's hard, I know, but we love this game because of certain things that are fun. Leveling toons this way was fun. I fear that now that you've nerfed it, this game will once again become stagnant and a golden opportunity will slip right out of your hands. A month from now, ask yourselves whether your server activity and subscriptions have grown in leaps and bounds?
Just take a deep breath.. Think about it.
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This. Right here. Hell, in the past week, I spent FORTY bucks buying 4 more slots for my-yes, farmed/rikti comm/PL'd up alts, a char transfer, and the magic pack. I'm actually about to RUN OUT of space on Virtue(all my friends play on it, so other servers-not a option), once I finish buying slots. I've been playing for nearly 4 years, and I LOVE farming/PL. I have serious altitis, and this was the best thing for it. Work on 2-3 chars simultaneously, so to speak, and earn cash on them? Awesome. Soo....lets hope this doesnt hurt too bad.
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There's been countless farming threads, and I've stayed out of it until now. Let me just say this:
I don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt my ability to enjoy the game. That is, let them farm, just don't hinder my gameplay. However, the farming HAS hindered my gameplay. Since the MA went live, I've been unable to get a team for anything except MA farms. I've been trying to get teams for my trio of new characters (L1-10), but it has been completely impossible. The only missions are farms.
Now, even this I would have no real trouble with, except that there's NOTHING to them. They can't put even a LITTLE thought and story into it? I mean, the point of playing is to have fun, not to grind xp (or let others do it for you).
I suppose from some perspective, doing sewer runs doesn't have any more story to it, but there is still a goal in mind - usually to reach King's Row via the sewers. The farms don't have even this little.
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That is funny I have found more teams for non farming the last few weeks than I have in the last 3 months.
In fact I had more request to pad in the last 3 months than I did team invites.
Maybe you are not looking properly or not in global channels I am not sure but I have had more teams available. I seen less ITF's the last couple weeks but then again 99% of the ITF's where speed ITF's to farm merits
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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In a recent interview, Posi mentioned that the MA was generating record server activity, so the MA the way it was in all it's xp/inf. glory was most assuredly contributing to these high activity bursts no doubt. This, turned Posi's headaches into a double edged sword.
He did say that they would not really nerf this dilema but dull the blade a bit by issue 15. He and the Paragon Studio staff are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they totally nerf it, it may kill the subscriber rate and activity, as they are well aware of.. But if they don't, then it does create a very high and unnatural way of earning XP/Inf, which, according to their own EULA, is a possible bug exploit. But, since everyone is farming and using it to their advantage, you can't really go ban everyone on every server, so what to do?
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Got a link to the interview your 'quoting'? I'd actually like to read it.
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..!
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
Genius!