That's about as far as I dare go in saying what it is. I'll be banned if I keep typing. Oh, one more thing, I am not the only one who has noticed this.
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OP, a correction. Rikti Farming: Destroyed.
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Oh! Just got done with my first successful run with an easier minion group and nets more xp.
Thanks Posi!
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Really? So this new nerf was nerfed cancelling out the nerf to create a better MA with even more XP's? YAY for nerf nerfs..! 
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Still making tweaks. Should be finalized soon.
However, since the ban hammer and report happy people are so abundant i'll just unpublish the arc while i'm offline and only publish it when I want to farm.
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This is the part that the farming reporters don't get. There are at least half a dozen other mobs/mob types that work just as well as Rikti Comms did (maybe 15% less xp) and the resilient have already switched to those mobs. Heck, two people I know PLANNED this and set their missions last night. The difference is, these folks have learned not to open their pieholes and keep this stuff to themselves.
What's especially sad is how people who have been here 5 years, still don't realize that this is a speedbump. What happened after the purple patch? Did farming die then? How about when burn was nerfed? Anything? Or when rikti monkeys got nerfed? Or the original Rikti Comm Officer (and Death Shaman) nerf? Smoke Grenade nerf? Oh oh oh! I5! That musta killed farming!! WHAT?!? It didn't? XP range nerf (both 'dead xp' and the Brickstown tram-based one)?
Please! AE is only "destroyed" for the sheep. If you're a farmer and this is "the end" for you, guess what? You were never a farmer to begin with. Admittedly, neither am I, but I know more than enough of 'em. Over the years, I've watched them change their game and adapt to anything and everything the devs thought to do....and still grindin'. I don't hate farmers or badgers or RPers or newbies or casuals or PvPers or any other group. They're playstyles and just as valid as my own.
AE destroyed lol. Hot_Head, just wait for someone to publicize the next group to farm. You can then follow everyone and do this all over again!!!
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This is the most intelligent comment Ive seen since the AE was nerfed.
Bravo Sir.
With a level 50
Devs choice.
Level 51 Custom Lt 4515 inf
Level 51 custom minion 1317 inf
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Level 51 Custom minion 1317 inf
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Level 50 Nemesis Dragoon 973 inf (same for CoT)
Level 50 Nemesis Colonel 3335 inf (same for CoT)
Council door mission
Level 51 minion 1317 inf
Level 51 Lt 4515 inf
Rather than suggesting a reading lesson, might I suggest a math and data check ?
Its so much easier, when you bring actual numbers when claiming a specific reduction rather than obviously mistaken impressions.
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@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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That's about as far as I dare go in saying what it is. I'll be banned if I keep typing. Oh, one more thing, I am not the only one who has noticed this.
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oh, are you talking about the mythical 'clique'?
Umm.... no...this 'clique' is nothing more than a bunch of people who talk a LOT more than anyone else, and play on test a lot more than anyone else.
Some of them hold the dev's ears more than others, but that's because they have spent the last 5 years yammering into the dev's ears, and some of them have been right more often than wrong... If you spent 5 years sending a PM to a dev every time you had a really good idea that would fix a current problem, you'd probably have gained a great deal of respect from them as well. Some of these folks (like arcanaville) probably could have pushed for a paycheck years ago.
If that's what you mean by 'friends and family' I doubt it's really a category, since some of these people are right on the verge of what you might consider 'exploiters', or people who push the envelope so hard it has them arrested for assault and battery.
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what exactly is the 'friends and family' program supposed to be?
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I could come and say it plain as day, but that is not only not allowed, it's denied by all who are part of the friends and family program, plus a few goofy sycophants. Believe me if you are not a member of the friends and family program, and you try to use a few of the "features" of CoH often enough, and your not a sycophant fayboy, you'll find out what "not" being in the program means.
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Ah baseless rumour mongering.
Put up or shut up. My data is posted.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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The Market was broken, thanks to AE. The casual player could actually afford to IO set out their toons.(yes, me) not anymore. Back to the 200million inf recipes.
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I'm not complaining. 25 million for Obliteration(Anything)? Sold today. LotG +Defense for 40 million? Sold today.
Good thing I bought these sets when they were saturated and cost less than 1 mill a piece. Even the +7.5% recharge was fairly cheap when AE was nuts.
However, Salvage has become super inflated on my market. 1k+ sellers and even Luck Charms are going for dirt cheap.
This is all alright though, because CoH is for the 4 year veterans, not us ~3 month vets. Nosir.
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If they want to race to 50 only to discover that 50's just the same as 5, more power to them.
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Circuit_Boy, you seem to have a "Me & Mrs Jones"-esque relationship with the word 'specious'. Especially since the above quote reeks of speciousness. People like to say the game is the same at 50 as it is at 5 and it's always a lie. ALWAYS, without exception. Are there similarities? Yes. Just like there are similarities between tankers and brutes. Are tankers and brutes the same? I'll let you tell it.
Please point me to the new class unlocked by reaching level 5. Point me in the direction of the 50 who constantly has to deal with "miss spam". I have a level 5 controller. Why can't she summon her pet? Or get on ITF/STF/Hamidon teams? Then again, I was going to head over to the store and sell off all these useless recipe drops I got. Oh wait.
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Is it quantifiable, as the engineers and pseudo-lawyers around here want? No, but that's the very nature of qualitative words like "exploit" and "exploitation".
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Funny you try to say 'exploit' used in reference to this game's mechanics is not spin....but then try the old 'look over there!' PR trick. You seem to advocate a very liberal definition of the term. Problem is, we're talking rules for daily conduct here. ANYTHING the players create in MA can be labeled an exploit for any reason and with no explanation. That's a problem given the fact the system was meant to ENGAGE the playerbase, not instill paranoia in them.
If you want people to follow your rules, tell them what those rules are. If I make a mission ideally suited to fire tanks and/or brutes and then assemble a team of fire tanks or brutes, is that exploiting? YES, by the current prevailing (read: murky, vague, unsubstantiated) definition.
As for farming, are you kidding me? If that's the case, my accounts are in serious peril. I mean, I have one character that has done the FrostFire mission 8 times (once for everyone in the team). OH MY GOD, I'm going to hell, aren't I? And let's not even get into joining teams that ONLY do radio missions, one after another, for hours. I have no fewer than 5 characters who have seen (and beaten) T3h PwNxx0rz more than 4 times each.
Words like 'exploit' and 'torture' are self-serving. They only benefit the person (or persons) using them as weapons. I know people who would consider it torture (or rather, "cruel and unusual punishment") if they don't have access to certain retail outlets or food (the word 'porterhouse' is used a lot). They will tell you to your face with all the conviction in the world. Would I consider that torture? No. And neither would you or many other people. Does that mean it's not? No. It's just being used in an entirely self-serving manner. Gee, that sounds eerily like....
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If they want to race to 50 only to discover that 50's just the same as 5, more power to them.
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Circuit_Boy, you seem to have a "Me & Mrs Jones"-esque relationship with the word 'specious'. Especially since the above quote reeks of speciousness. People like to say the game is the same at 50 as it is at 5 and it's always a lie. ALWAYS, without exception. Are there similarities? Yes. Just like there are similarities between tankers and brutes. Are tankers and brutes the same? I'll let you tell it.
Please point me to the new class unlocked by reaching level 5. Point me in the direction of the 50 who constantly has to deal with "miss spam". I have a level 5 controller. Why can't she summon her pet? Or get on ITF/STF/Hamidon teams? Then again, I was going to head over to the store and sell off all these useless recipe drops I got. Oh wait.
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Is it quantifiable, as the engineers and pseudo-lawyers around here want? No, but that's the very nature of qualitative words like "exploit" and "exploitation".
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Funny you try to say 'exploit' used in reference to this game's mechanics is not spin....but then try the old 'look over there!' PR trick. You seem to advocate a very liberal definition of the term. Problem is, we're talking rules for daily conduct here. ANYTHING the players create in MA can be labeled an exploit for any reason and with no explanation. That's a problem given the fact the system was meant to ENGAGE the playerbase, not instill paranoia in them.
If you want people to follow your rules, tell them what those rules are. If I make a mission ideally suited to fire tanks and/or brutes and then assemble a team of fire tanks or brutes, is that exploiting? YES, by the current prevailing (read: murky, vague, unsubstantiated) definition.
As for farming, are you kidding me? If that's the case, my accounts are in serious peril. I mean, I have one character that has done the FrostFire mission 8 times (once for everyone in the team). OH MY GOD, I'm going to hell, aren't I? And let's not even get into joining teams that ONLY do radio missions, one after another, for hours. I have no fewer than 5 characters who have seen (and beaten) T3h PwNxx0rz more than 4 times each.
Words like 'exploit' and 'torture' are self-serving. They only benefit the person (or persons) using them as weapons. I know people who would consider it torture (or rather, "cruel and unusual punishment") if they don't have access to certain retail outlets or food (the word 'porterhouse' is used a lot). They will tell you to your face with all the conviction in the world. Would I consider that torture? No. And neither would you or many other people. Does that mean it's not? No. It's just being used in an entirely self-serving manner. Gee, that sounds eerily like....
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I don't think you even understand in the slightest what was going on do you. People were making missions with all melee enemys and going in with all flying characters(blasters/controllers) and obliterating them.
They made missions with allies that did nothing but provide sonic shields and bubble defenses. They made missions that were NO threat to anyone of any level. Does that not compute with you?
These were exploits because of how easy and how much reward they gave. If you can't tell/don't know what an exploit is then no offense but your how they say "not the brightest star in the sky".
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I don't think you even understand in the slightest what was going on do you. People were making missions with all melee enemys and going in with all flying characters(blasters/controllers) and obliterating them.
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You know, I tried that, but with all the dudes running and jumping around it was horribly inefficient compared to just going down and kicking their butts on the ground, where they could get at me. Honestly, my rewards/hour tripled when I took a few hits, and the method I used to beat them (bu/aim/roa/foa) was identical to the one I used to kick the pants off of spawns in RWZ.
I think this 'sploit' was just a bun steer. who wants to level in complete safety when it divides their earning rate by three? Even the occasional death was barely scratched the difference between the two methods.
Maybe solo but when you have a team of 8, 3 oh which are controllers and can lock everything down the blasters have easy pickens. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Maybe solo but when you have a team of 8, 3 oh which are controllers and can lock everything down the blasters have easy pickens. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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controllers just slow things down
I remember a controller trying to 'help' me with nemesis spawns... I finally told him to just stand back and soak up exp instead of scattering stuff with his controls.
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Yeah, but it totally [censored] normal teaming and everything people do AE wise blows. 
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Please go find another game. If what you want is normal, then I am screwed. Please leave, and take everyone like you with you.
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this is what me and my brother typed as we canceled our subscription to CoH;
we quit because the new issue blows. you call it "exploiting" when we do architect missions(even when we are completing them)and totally destroy the issue and make it horrible to play. you obliterated PvP for most of my characters everyone is nerfed but widows. you expect us to spend hours, months, years, crawling our way to level 50 then nerf them to crap. what kind of Bull is that? we make these characters level them the correct way and you people destroy them shortly after we built up the character. AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE LIKED THE ARCHITECT SO MUCH ITS BECAUSE IN A FEW WEEKS THAT CHARTERER WILL BE NERFED SO THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE LONG WAY TO LEVEL UP, unless of course you decide to dedicate your life to buying infamy for your widows that are unstoppable. this is why we are quitting we may be back but as of now we are disgusted in the game while it updates itself to death.
good bye cruel world
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With a level 50
Devs choice.
Level 51 Custom Lt 4515 inf
Level 51 custom minion 1317 inf
Non-devs Choice
Level 51 Custom minion 1317 inf
Level 52 Custom Lt 5939 inf
In PI
Level 50 Nemesis Dragoon 973 inf (same for CoT)
Level 50 Nemesis Colonel 3335 inf (same for CoT)
Council door mission
Level 51 minion 1317 inf
Level 51 Lt 4515 inf
Rather than suggesting a reading lesson, might I suggest a math and data check ?
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DEVS CHOICE !!!!!!!! HELLO FRIENDS AND FAMILY !!!!! 
FiberOptic, you must have lost your mind if you think that "anyone" here other than you would describe me as fanboi, that is comical. You need to check my post history mate.
In terms of the real issue regarding xp/inf you need to just come clean and admit that you made an error and all will be well.
Name calling and making yourself look out of touch with reality is not the way to go mate.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Ya, funny how those who petition MA arcs for being a farm, have no problems hopping on a sewer team for XP's and faster leveing. Or, they do speed TF's. Aren't both of these technically called farming?
Hypocrites abound in this game for sure..
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Really? You really think that the people protesting MA farms are TF farmers and sewer farmers? People who used to farm Dreck? Used to run speed katies? That these are the people who are doing their best to crack down on MA farm culture now?
Really?
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This is the part that the farming reporters don't get. There are at least half a dozen other mobs/mob types that work just as well as Rikti Comms did (maybe 15% less xp) and the resilient have already switched to those mobs. Heck, two people I know PLANNED this and set their missions last night. The difference is, these folks have learned not to open their pieholes and keep this stuff to themselves.
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And the beauty of it is: the anti-farmers will be perfectly happy to let the invisible farmers continue to exist and do whatever they want to do, once the obnoxious, loud farmers are rooted out. As long as the impact of farm culture on their game is minimized, there's no problem. I for one look forward to it.
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FiberOptic, you must have lost your mind if you think that "anyone" here other than you would describe me as fanboi, that is comical. You need to check my post history mate.
In terms of the real issue regarding xp/inf you need to just come clean and admit that you made an error and all will be well.
Name calling and making yourself look out of touch with reality is not the way to go mate.
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heh...you aren't quite J_B, but calling you a dev 'friends and family' is funny as heck.
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Strange thread... Curious question is there a different name for "them" than 'friends and family' when people are on their meds?
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what exactly is the 'friends and family' program supposed to be?
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I could come and say it plain as day, but that is not only not allowed, it's denied by all who are part of the friends and family program, plus a few goofy sycophants. Believe me if you are not a member of the friends and family program, and you try to use a few of the "features" of CoH often enough, and your not a sycophant fayboy, you'll find out what "not" being in the program means.
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FiberOptic, you must have lost your mind if you think that "anyone" here other than you would describe me as fanboi, that is comical. You need to check my post history mate.
In terms of the real issue regarding xp/inf you need to just come clean and admit that you made an error and all will be well.
Name calling and making yourself look out of touch with reality is not the way to go mate.
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Darth Dude, He is not even talking about you in the post. He called you out about custom characters not the friend and family program.
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This is the part that the farming reporters don't get. There are at least half a dozen other mobs/mob types that work just as well as Rikti Comms did (maybe 15% less xp) and the resilient have already switched to those mobs. Heck, two people I know PLANNED this and set their missions last night. The difference is, these folks have learned not to open their pieholes and keep this stuff to themselves.
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And the beauty of it is: the anti-farmers will be perfectly happy to let the invisible farmers continue to exist and do whatever they want to do, once the obnoxious, loud farmers are rooted out. As long as the impact of farm culture on their game is minimized, there's no problem. I for one look forward to it.
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THIS.
And here's a tip for the ones making the missions:
Don't everyone post your own version of the Secret Formula so as to soak up tickets. Rotate it around, one at a time. Then when you've soaked your way to a few smexy recipe drops or whatever, take it down so someone else can put it up for awhile.
Else two things will happen - 1, you'll each get less tickets because the pool of players will get divided up between all of the arcs currently posted, and 2 - someone will forget to unpublish theirs, the Unwashed Masses of Carebears will discover it... and we'll all be going through this same inquisition all over again.
The firestorm over MA powerleveling happened as a direct result of a thousand-odd 'meow' farms being posted simultaneously, as well as the broadcast spamvertising. When you're doing something known to be 'frowned upon' (even if not specifically illegal), attracting attention to your doings is not a good idea. So please be discreet.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
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what exactly is the 'friends and family' program supposed to be?
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I could come and say it plain as day, but that is not only not allowed, it's denied by all who are part of the friends and family program, plus a few goofy sycophants. Believe me if you are not a member of the friends and family program, and you try to use a few of the "features" of CoH often enough, and your not a sycophant fayboy, you'll find out what "not" being in the program means.
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FiberOptic, you must have lost your mind if you think that "anyone" here other than you would describe me as fanboi, that is comical. You need to check my post history mate.
In terms of the real issue regarding xp/inf you need to just come clean and admit that you made an error and all will be well.
Name calling and making yourself look out of touch with reality is not the way to go mate.
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Darth Dude, He is not even talking about you in the post. He called you out about custom characters not the friend and family program.
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Guess you missed this part where I called him on his more than obvious mistake, which was the real issue at hand.
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No worries mate.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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As an OSU fan you make me proud to hate Michigan. I should save these posts as fodder for Hate Week when we beat your sad little Wolverines all over again.
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The fact is we all know what "exploit" actually means, just like we all know what "torture" really means.
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The only practical definition of "exploit" I can think of: "Exploit" means whatever the devs want it to mean.
It's a more useful definition than "statistical advantage" at least.
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That's about as far as I dare go in saying what it is. I'll be banned if I keep typing. Oh, one more thing, I am not the only one who has noticed this.
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oh, are you talking about the mythical 'clique'?
Umm.... no...this 'clique' is nothing more than a bunch of people who talk a LOT more than anyone else, and play on test a lot more than anyone else.
Some of them hold the dev's ears more than others, but that's because they have spent the last 5 years yammering into the dev's ears, and some of them have been right more often than wrong... If you spent 5 years sending a PM to a dev every time you had a really good idea that would fix a current problem, you'd probably have gained a great deal of respect from them as well. Some of these folks (like arcanaville) probably could have pushed for a paycheck years ago.
If that's what you mean by 'friends and family' I doubt it's really a category, since some of these people are right on the verge of what you might consider 'exploiters', or people who push the envelope so hard it has them arrested for assault and battery.
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Oh no, there are people who don't have to play by rules most of us have to. It's plain as day and night. Search my posts there my be some that have not been locked in which I brought this up in more detail. It has nothing to do with the way people play, exploits, farms, none of that. It's all about friends and family group. It's a sweet deal if your in the program.
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I could come and say it plain as day, but that is not only not allowed, it's denied by all who are part of the friends and family program, plus a few goofy sycophants. Believe me if you are not a member of the friends and family program, and you try to use a few of the "features" of CoH often enough, and your not a sycophant fayboy, you'll find out what "not" being in the program means.