Um, wrong. 
An event is attended by players.
An SG is comprised of players.
The Rikti Invasion is an EVENT.
The Freedom Phalanx is an SG.
I'm not dissing the accomplishemnts of the many great SGs (and coalitions) out there. But, the two just are [u]NOT[u] the same.
If those SGs hold a regular event lasting for 5 years, then I encourage them to sumbit a similar idea.
(Disclaimer: Tanker Tuesday is not an event put on by a single SG or coalition. Tanker Tuesday is an event put on by server communities as a whole.)
Relevant definitions from dictionary.com:
e-vent [i-vent] noun
1. something that happens or is regarded as happening; an occurrence, esp. one of some importance.
group [groop] noun
1. any collection or assemblage of persons or things; cluster; aggregation: a group of protesters; a remarkable group of paintings.
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Well how about this Memphis Bill, since those opposing seem to look to you as the leader, what if there was some graffiti added to that wall in that area that was innocuous enough to be missed by 99% of all players, instead of adding a plaque there.
It could say something like Tanks pwns u, or something that's funny and already on some walls, just not at that location yet.
You set no criteria for Tanker Tuesday to meet to deserve a plaque that it has not already met. At what point do you either concede that it qualifies or admit that you are just being oppositional? 
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As one of the "masses", I do not support the idea of a plaque. There have been plenty of alternate suggestions made, including one of my own, all or any of which would to me seem preferable.
Major_Deej, I respect your enthusiasm and passion, and my hat is off to Tanker Tuesday as an excellent example of what the community can and does achieve, but I do have to, with no offense intended, protest your claim to speak for me.
Thanks,
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And, really, a small plaque does very little to alter the landscape. It isn't something that would be required for the history badges, nor would it be the only one not required for a badge. I'd bet that a lot of people don't even notice most of the city plaques, they are small and this isn't a heavy traffic area. Basically- it wouldn't harm anything to have a tiny detail like this added.
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It would be a small reminder of the events achievement, with nothing attached to it, in an obscure location, which is only filled with activity the first Tuesday of every month during Tanker Tuesday.
TT has run successfully for half a decade, and continues to be as popular as year number one.
It wouldn't be a slight at all to any server, as players have happily gathered to one location every month since 2004, just so they can meet up with likeminded enthusiasts at a really unique event.
TT is the only event that has run for sixty consecutive months and continues unabated, if you'd like to say there should be a standard met before a player[s] created event could be considered for a small token like this, Tanker Tuesday is the standard, at half a decade for sixty consecutive months (Oct 6) and counting.
Upsen_Downs "Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.", comments way back when led to an actual in game reward, a badge, the TT plaque wouldn't be in the same hemisphere as that, it would just be a small clicky reminder of the ongoing achievement.
Events have been started over the years for many different AT's, Blasters, Controllers, Defenders. Tank enthusiasts have kept this event thriving for so many years, much like Harley Davidson rallies where inexplicably bankers and doctors mingle in with an eclectic group who share each others interests.
I think the above quote is pretty reasonable in summing it up. =T
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My first exciting experience in this game that cemented my stay for the last 27+months was this - [color= yellow]TANKER TUESDAY[/color].
As a new player, I was in awe at the incredible amount of camaraderie, friendship, helpfulness and selflessness the TT players that I was teamed with provided. After a couple missions, and some great in-game conversations, I was hooked on City of Heroes.
Not long after, I was able to attend a Tanker Tuesday Anniversary, where Tankers marched from zone to zone, arriving at the Tanker statue (the one with the "Tanker" badge). Group shots were taken and many wonderful events ensued. The line of tankers stretched for block after block for some of the contests. Multiple zones were created simply due to the influx of tankers. I had NEVER seen anything like this in any MMO or other game for that matter. Between getting a yellow title, seeing the Dev characters, such as Back Alley Brawler and Castle, I was lucky enough to win the 'best battlecry' award for my character, "Captain Battleship". It was indeed an incredible, magical moment.
The gist of what I am trying to point out is that for those on the Champion server that have participated in this incredible and fun event, it is indeed an experience that creates a moment in gaming that we all have experienced at one time or another, that I affectionately dub as "video zen"; a moment in your gaming experience that you will always remember with a fond recollection. For most, this 'zen' is experienced when the game is new, fresh and challenging. THIS event, Tanker Tuesday, has been my 'video zen' in this game and the only one I've had in any MMO.
After 5 years of consistent effort, providing memories for nearly every player who has ever experienced "Tanker Tuesday", I wholeheartedly agree with Ace Mace and all the incredible Championites that continue to provide the community with the BEST event ever, that a small plaque in this game is truly a notable and worthy request.
[color= yellow]Devs, the masses have requested for a plaque to be placed in- game and in-zone to honor those that have created one of the most incredible and dynamic community-created events ever. I submit to you, the designers, developers, administrators, and the the makers of City of Heroes/Villains to honor this incredible event that is "Tanker Tuesday". [/color]
If you have ever participated in a Tanker Tuesday, you will understand how incredible and worthy this request is.
Make it so.
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No the masses have not. There are some people who think so, mostly those who participate in it or help oganise it. They are in no position to be unbiased or impartial. Those of us who are against the plaque idea are just that, against the plaque idea. I'm all for TT getting recognition, but it should not be enshrined gamewide when it is a Champion server event, even if it has been going for 5 years.
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I personally will not concede.
Why you may ask?
Because there are other ways to recognise a SINGLE SERVER event then to enshrine it gamewide. I think thats pretty obvious and simple to understand. No matter how many times you post the exact same thing.
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Do not presume to speak for me, for those who know me, or for the game population in general.
"The masses" have not. The organizers and a few people - some apparently requested to come over and speak up - have. That is not a mass. That is a minority.
The request itself is disputed.
The "long running event" is a single server event for a single AT. How many people participate? What is the server population? I don't think you could get a significant figure of the server population to honestly say they know about, much less participate in, the event. Much less a simple majority of the game's population. Or even a significant MInority.
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Well how about this Memphis Bill, since those opposing seem to look to you as the leader,
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More assumptions. You really need to stop making those. The others arguing against this can speak, and are speaking, for themselves.
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what if there was some graffiti added to that wall in that area that was innocuous enough to be missed by 99% of all players, instead of adding a plaque there.
It could say something like Tanks pwns u, or something that's funny and already on some walls, just not at that location yet.
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Why would "Tanks" have graffiti on the walls? Why would a hero vandalize the city?
And again, why should a single server event be permanently enshrined in the game? Agian, yes, wonderful, it's lasted 5 years, all of the prior arguments still have not convinced me it's deserving of more than other celebratory player events that have happened in game. And yet I've actually *proposed* more for it.
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You set no criteria for Tanker Tuesday to meet to deserve a plaque that it has not already met. At what point do you either concede that it qualifies or admit that you are just being oppositional?
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You've given me no reason to support a permanent marker inside the game over any other celebratory event for the anniversary of this single server, single AT. event. And I've proposed *more* than most - including things that would be visible to those *outside* the game - yet aside from Acemace's listing, those seem to go ignored.
At what point do *you* concede?
I will when I get a good argument to the contrary as to why the counterproposals are not good enough, where this is the only acceptable option for a single server event, as long running as it may be.
Or, as Wikked put it:
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What was said before is more than satisfactory. Don't presume to speak for the masses, especially since the number that have spoken for in no way speak in the majority.
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As it so happens, I, member of the mass, don't support an in-game plaque for Tanker Tuesdays. I've thought other people here have already expressed the same concerns I might, to the point I haven't felt the need to chime-in up until now. I haven't read a compelling arguement which would cause me to support a permanent, in-game geography change in recognition of a player event. Lots of people, lots of groups, have contributed to this game, to the community, and I found many of the alternative suggestions for recognition, such as titles, dev presence at the event anniversery, an article in City Scoop, to be good ones, better than the original.
Interestingly enough, as stated by several posters in this thread, that they haven't even experienced a Tanker Tuesday, nor for some, play Tankers, yet you argue to the relevancy of this request.
Plaques, statues, and 'souvenirs' have been made in-game by the developers based on a storyline, CoH canon, or simply just 'placing' the item there for aesthetics.
How can a simple, innocuous plaque honoring a long standing community event be a threat to you? Why is it that you feel it is undeserving?
Those fighting this request, from what I have read in their posts, have yet to sway me that a consistently, well-done event such as this should not earn a simple in-game marker to denote a milestone and a community achievement.
Far more sinister people and events in real life have earned plaques and recognition for dastardly and evil things ("Lizzy Bornden House" in Massachusetts, for example)? THis game is entertainment; in several years this game may be a fond memory for most of us, but, I cannot understand how a request for a piece of digital art in the game to recognize the efforts of the dynamic Tanker Tuesday participants and community for 5 years can foster such discontent.
An article in the Scoop is indeed a writing that will be seen once; an 'object' such as a tank or a 'tanker' statue are a good idea, but they do NOT honor what the item is FOR.
A plaque with simple words could honor and identify a consistent event that has touched many in the game.
And as for comments of 'speaking for the masses', I am not speaking for you as forumites; I refer to those I have and continue to game with "In-Game", not just this exclusive band of texters. Nearly all of those I chat with in the game (which far outnumber the posters here) have stated they think its 'a good idea' (to summarize their statements).
We have asked for this; you have stated your piece. I respect that. Understand though, this is a simple request; we are not asking for plaque off the Mall in Washington D.C.; we are not asking for a national holiday. This is no different than honoring a community event that has engendered the finer qualities of the game.
Again, this is a little plaque in a remote corner of a zone in a video game; how does this harm you? This plaque can simply identify that those participating in this consistent, positive, and note-worthy event should encourage you to try something as dedicated and dynamic as this itself.
Consistency and quality are still considered quality traits today, eh?
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Prove that statement.
Disprove it.
Wait, what I mean to say is...NO U!
Meet in the middle
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Wait, what I mean to say is...NO U!
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I can't. It is impossible to prove either way. That was my point.
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QFT.
At under 250 total posts in this thread there isn't even a nano-mass
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Wait, what I mean to say is...NO U!
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I can't. It is impossible to prove either way. That was my point.
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Actually, it's probably easier to prove that BOTH sides represent a minority of a minority in this game.
I'm waiting for Ace to start spamming Globals channels ingame to rally support...otherwise I don't think 20-30 forumites is going to persuade anyone either way.
psssst, check out my new avatar too!
Here is a summary of replies and suggestions so far, and your opinion is respected whichever part of the road you're on.
If some replies or points were missed just pm me, after sifting through 22 pages your eyes get blurry. =T
Recent Quotes
"If it were up to me, which is obviously not the case, not only would I place a marker there,
but I'd have 400+ tankers put it up!" The Ring (events creator)
"this event was voted best player run event in 2006's (and last time it was held) Player's Choice Awards by ALL servers, not just Champion." Dinah_Might
"I am also in favor of some sort of metric or standard to be in place that sets a guideline for ideas like this." Stabby_McStabers
Your ideas, updated into categories:
In Favor:
Vox_Populi
Heck yeah!
The event takes place on Champion but it's not just a Champion event. Many players
created a character there just for Tanker Tuesdays.
Most people who are unaware of Tanker Tuesdays would also be unaware of the plaque,
so it wouldn't even effect them.
Suggestions are made in the suggestions forum, and the devs (if they see it)
decide if they like it or not.
Flying_Carcass
/sign
Bad_Wonka
I have seen Tanker Tuesday held on other servers.
I play on Champion but have also been to TTs on Infinity and Virtue.
/signed 100%
Oh it has happened on Virtue I have been to one there before.
I swear I have been to a Tanker Tuesday on more than just Champion. It is not just a 1 server event.
Kiloton
Single server map change challenges aside, I think that's a way cool idea.
Ashcraft
This would be great
and well deserved.
Hrist
a small plaque does very little to alter the landscape.
Basically- it wouldn't harm anything to have a tiny detail like this added.
The existance of the event hasn't prevented anyone from creating their own alternatives (indeed, it has acually inspired similar events for other ATs.)
I do think that a five year history is something to be very proud of for any event on any of the servers, and deserves some recognition.
NuclearMedicine
I'm all for a Tanker Tuesday 5yr Plaque. The event has certainly earned the right.
FlamingIntern
/signed
Not much else to say.
Meowtch
Wouldn't it be terrific to prompt people to want to be a part of this fantastic long-running player event? Does it matter that it was born out of Champion?
its_Si
/agreed
BlueFurious
The next generation of tankers may never see a gold title, but they can see the plaque
and know that they're part of something bigger.
The odds of someone totally disassociated with the event nominating something like
this is... well, not good.
Pep_Rally
Most definitely /signed.
Tanker Tuesday has announced itself in the Tanker, and Champion forums
every month without fail
Another party would be great as well, but it doesn't hurt to ask for something else.
Flatfoot
/signed for me.
Acemace
It would be a small reminder of the events achievemnet, with nothing attached to it,
in an obscure location.
Cobalt_Azurean
/signed.
Ice_Ember
Great idea, I support this.
painfullvirus
/signed without a doubt!
MunkiLord
/signed.
I don't like playing tankers. But this is a long running event that outshines all the others.
Tank_Washington
I think it should be praised that a thing like this could keep going strong all this time with
the players dedication, I mean 60 months in a row that's hella long time.
/Way in favor
/resigned
And I say let whoever fill up the thread with their same arguments over and over, it's not going to change
the players accomplishment from all the servers that participated in making a remarkable milestone.
I say celebrate, don't hate.
Mighty
Don't slight the event for being single-server due to the game's infrastructure when
players are finding ways around keeping it a single server event by either visiting
Champion or holding their own on other servers.
it's taken 5 continuous years of an award winning event for someone to pipe up and ask for it.
How many things really fit into that category?
So... /signed.
Darc_Reign
I like this idea.
5 years in an MMO life cycle is longer than 5 years in RL.
_mr3_
The idea promotes player events. players coming together in a strong enough way alter the world we play in.
It's almost like incentive for us to get involved more
BC_Space
Great idea.
/signed.... five times..
StarkFist
/signed
It isn't often that players create something truly plaque-worthy,
but a five-year player-created event should qualify.
Cyclone_Jack
I like it.
To keep it going for 5 years is indeed an impressive feat.
A plaque would, IMO, be a great way for the Devs to commemorate the
1st player run event to hit 5 years (and running).
Even more impressive is that TT has happened with zero assistance from NCSoft
Both PvPEC and PvEEC were created through the assistance of the community reps.
Same can be said with the City Scoop
I've never been to a TT, but the fact that it's happened every month since Oct'04 is
very impressive in any MMO's terms.
NetMinder
I'm darn proud to be a part of it each month. Very very few things keep me away
(like my sons 1st grade music concert tomorrow night) each month.
prvtslacker
/sign 100%.
Would like to see it happen.
Celestial_Lad
The fact that it's been primarily on Champion should really have no bearing on the final decision
This would be an honouration to the community as a whole.
Another reason I support this is because it is inspiring.
Juzam_Djinn
This is an event which players from ALL servers have attended regularly for years now.
I dont think anyone can point to a player event (in the history of COX) which has had more longevity
and success then Tanker Tuesday.
Upsen_Downs
I'd vote for this to be put in. Are there any other events that are as long running as Tanker Tuesday?
p.s. Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.
Lei_Long
This sounds like a great idea.
Lascota
This, however commemorates something that the community did that helped support the game as a whole.
I like the idea, and I really hope a Dev sees this and considers it.
this is players encouraging more gaming by direct tutelage
ResplendentMs
I like it. /signed
Drunken_Avenger
/sighned now who do i need to give rum too to get this done?
XxBudweiser8xX
I think this is a great idea.... Tanker Tuesdays has been one of the longest running, most fun events
held on a continuing basis Since I started this game.
tuter_king
/signed good idea
BigMoneyHustla
I support this idea, on the basis that it is a player created event that has been running on a regular basis
for (almost) 5 years, where people from many servers come to join in.
TheRing
If it were up to me, which is obviously not the case, not only would I place a marker there,
but I'd have 400+ tankers put it up!
/signed
That goes for all of you, agreers and disagreers alike! Live and love a little hot TT action, and then debate the plaque. It's the right thing to do.
Carry on with the debate, but keep in mind that the persons supporting this aren't doing so to hang their accomplishments over the heads of others, but simply and and humbly involve the entire game in celebrating an event that for many, embodies the very reasons we play these games in the first place.
DreadShinobi
I do not see any reason why a plaque or something similar should not be put up in KR.
Demon_Keeper
I've seen information about Tanker Tuesday often enough to at least see "TT" and realize someone
is talking about it
AngieB
I'm for it! I was there for teh 3 yr and OMG.. i got a pic with BAB.. he's such a stud!
/sign
Cyber_naut
I think a plaque would be cool. It makes the game more 'alive' imo.
Dinah_Might
Even if it is a event centralized on Champion server, I still feel it is necessary to acknowledge said event. I mean, "Kill Skuls" didn't happen on my server, yet it got wall graffitti.
this event was voted best player run event in 2006's (and last time it was held) Player's Choice Awards by ALL servers, not just Champion.
PantherShade
Tanker Tuesday predates PERC, PvPEC. It is a lasting event demonstrating player commitment to community.
Tanker Tuesday has been a featured event on the updater and CoH MotD
Placing a simple plaque offers the chance to promote more involvement in the event and in the community
Tanker Tuesday is a monthly event, not an SG. It draws people from all SGs together.
How exactly is anyone harmed by this suggestion in any way?
Tanker Tuesday has been on both. It has also been featured in the City Scoop and voted Best Player Run Event, a Dev run contest spanning all servers.
Zubenelgenubi
I think this is an awesome idea.
It may help inspire other long-running player sponsored events on other servers.
/signed
Stabby_McStabers
I personally am in huge favor for this idea.
I am also in favor of some sort of metric or standard to be in place that sets a guideline for ideas like this.
Peterbilt
I must show my absolute support for a plaque.
Honor those who honor the city, and Tankers have been doing just that for almost 5 years.
Heraclea
I am foursqure in favor of this as well. As a habitual player of tankers I would be, of course.
As other user events grow and prosper, they may eventually meet whatever criterion you might set. This one has had several milestones already.
Myrmydon
As far as the plaque idea is concerned, I am all for it if the Devs want to place one for Tanker Tuesday and will not lose a wink of sleep if they don't.
I attend them neither for recognition nor for reward, so either way.
iltat
I support this idea.
In my opinion, this is a case that deserves such recognition.
Aura_Familia
I'm all for plaques . . . for every event and every group that makes it to 5 years, RO included.
M_I_Abrahms
Honestly, I think Tanker Tuesday and Repeat Offenders both deserve a plaque, as well as any organization or network that started in year one, and kept a constant presense the entire time.
60 months of dedication, not only to a game, but to a specific segment of the game is worth something.
Major_Deej
My first exciting experience in this game that cemented my stay for the last 27+months was this - TANKER TUESDAY.
As a new player, I was in awe at the incredible amount of camaraderie, friendship, helpfulness and selflessness the TT players that I was teamed with provided. I was hooked on City of Heroes.
Those fighting this request, from what I have read in their posts, have yet to sway me that a consistently, well-done event such as this should not earn a simple in-game marker to denote a milestone and a community achievement.
deadboy_champion
Tanker Tuesday was started by the Ring, who wanted to promote Tankery fun and expand the player knowledge base on Tanks in general.
I dont think he ever knew how big it would become or how well it would be received.
Not In Favor:
Oldeb
If it were possible to have the plaque on a single server, I'd say yes.
But since that isn't possible I don't think it's a good idea.
Memphis_Bill
I'm not against it, an event running that long continuously is something to be recognized.
If it were historically a multiple-server event, there'd be no question at all.
I wouldn't argue if it *happened* I just think it'd be very odd.
it's not honoring an AT, it's honoring an event that's been running for five years.
I'm reading "I made a character on Champion to run there." To me that is not "cross server."
"if you played the game the month before the 3rd anniversary, Oct. 2007, you would know what Tanker Tuesday is about."
See my reg date? Your assumption is incorrect.
I can say with reasonable certainty Repeat Offenders affected more people (including tanks - they have a dedicated group
for them, as well) than a single Tanker-themed event that happens once a month.
I have never heard of Tanker Tuesday the entire time I levelled my forum-namesake in Pinnacle.
Zhao_Yun
It's kinda a bad precedent.
Recognition? Yes, earned, deserved, completely. In -this- manner? I do not think so.
Fleeting_Whisper
I've heard of Tanker Tuesdays... once, ever.
LISAR
I'm just learning of it...but why would a single server event get a map change on all servers?
It simply doesn't make sense to me why people on Justice or Virtue would erect some sort of recognition
Talen_Lee
I think an anniversary event is a more valuable recognition than a permanent chunk of the architecture.
Samuel_Tow
I'm not sure it's a safe bet people will know about this.
It's not like it hasn't happened before, but a plaque in the game doesn't strike me as the best way.
I'm not really for or against this, I'm just not sure a plaque in public space is the best way to accomplish this.
IanTheM1
this thread sounds extremely self-serving, even if the milestone is deserved.
MikoReimu
It takes time and money for this sort of thing, I start to think it's not worth the effort.
Clouded
but then every SG that has been around for at least the same amount of time deserves a plaque.
Quincy_Archer
What about any of the major pvp sgs (wait, they are all gone now.... ) Where do we draw the line?
Catwhoorg
I dont think it is any more plaque worthy than the many 5 year old Super Groups still running round.
Umbral
It's truly awesome that Tanker Tuesday has been going on as a month event for 55 months
but I don't really support placing any reference to it in game.
NeverDark
Should TT be recognized? Absolutely. But not this way.
DMystic
I agree that as an event that's been run for this long, with this consistency some recognition is warranted, however I don't think an in game plaque is the way to do it.
Alternate Marker Ideas:
WittyLibrarian
A better solution would be to set up plaques for each of the primary ATs in various zones
LISAR
I got another thing I think the event should have. A badge. Log into Champion for the 60th T.T.
and get a badge
Samuel_Tow
An article in the City Scoop, special forum titles for the organisers, a spot in the game news or some such would be a lot more appropriate
BouncingBeatnik
What if the devs were to allocate a certain portion of the billboards to recognize and congratulate Tanker Tuesday?
Leave them up for a designated period of time- maybe 30 days or so-
to give everyone who has that option turned on a chance to see.
Celestial_Lad
I kinda like the idea of NPC dialogue.
"Is it getting close to start of a new month? Because Tankers from all around gather here on the first Tuesday beginning way back in October 2004."
Memphis_Bill
Entire package of the following:
- The aforementioned "party." Devs, announcements, titles, temp powers, the works to celebrate. Celebrate in game.
- Announcement on the updater for the above.
- City Scoop feature, linked FROM the updater (bringing more people in - maybe on the 10th anniversary, it really WILL be a regular event on every server then!)
- Adding to the website, under "Community" as a featured "spotlight," permanently, Tanker Tuesdays as an example of a community run event.
- NPC dialog, mixed in with the rest of the random sayings.
- For the month of October, they're what the Newsies are talking about. They're in the rotation. Possibly for September, as well. Preempted only if there's something like a new issue due at that time, and they get rotated in with them.
Dollymistress
I think it would be nice for there to be recognition, but I think it would need to be more subtle than a plaque.
Perhaps an impressive tree, or a big bad rock. Or a lil statue of a tanker hero.
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I have always known about TT. Been to a few, but dont believe it should get a plaque.So, here is another against it.But really, it doesnt make a difference to me if one is put in game. It doesnt affect my playing none.
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Interestingly enough, as stated by several posters in this thread, that they haven't even experienced a Tanker Tuesday, nor for some, play Tankers, yet you argue to the relevancy of this request.
Plaques, statues, and 'souvenirs' have been made in-game by the developers based on a storyline, CoH canon, or simply just 'placing' the item there for aesthetics.
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The plaques about, for instance, the actions of Atlasare referring to in game canon. Regardless of server, it is a part of the global COH history, one shared by all on every server. By definition, every character started with that history to be shared, native, newcomer, alien to the world or plane, it's part of the history they are now part of.
Which leads to the following:
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How can a simple, innocuous plaque honoring a long standing community event be a threat to you? Why is it that you feel it is undeserving?
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For the same reason my starting a supergroup on Virtue has no effect on a player on Infinity. It is not a shared event, it is not part of the in-game history to be referred to. Player events on a single server, such as TT, are memorialized in other ways than this.
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Far more sinister people and events in real life have earned plaques and recognition for dastardly and evil things ("Lizzy Bornden House" in Massachusetts, for example)?
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And if it were possible to put such a marker in ONLY on champion, we wouldn't be having this argument.
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THis game is entertainment; in several years this game may be a fond memory for most of us, but, I cannot understand how a request for a piece of digital art in the game to recognize the efforts of the dynamic Tanker Tuesday participants and community for 5 years can foster such discontent.
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In which case you haven't been reading, or only picking through what you want to read.
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An article in the Scoop is indeed a writing that will be seen once; an 'object' such as a tank or a 'tanker' statue are a good idea, but they do NOT honor what the item is FOR.
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An article in the scoop is something that can be referred to multiple times, much like the aforementioned certificates. As is the website reference under the "community" section, part of my "overall" package. They would "honor" it just as much as an in-game plaque, without being somewhere that has not ever seen, and has no reference for, a non-game-world event - I hesitate to use the term "metagame." It is purely a player event, one seen consistently on one server only, which you wish to have shown on every server.
To go back to your "Lizzie Borden" comment, it's not marking just her house, but picking a house in every single state that looks somewhat like it to put a similar plaque on. Of course, in the real world, we can obviously limit it to JUST that one house. Making a change like this in the game, you cannot.
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A plaque with simple words could honor and identify a consistent event that has touched many in the game.
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And which many upon many times more would have no clue about.
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And as for comments of 'speaking for the masses', I am not speaking for you as forumites; I refer to those I have and continue to game with "In-Game", not just this exclusive band of texters. Nearly all of those I chat with in the game (which far outnumber the posters here) have stated they think its 'a good idea' (to summarize their statements).
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"Prove it." How many? How many can, without prompting, tell you what it's about? How many on other servers? Are "nearly all those I chat with in the game" your supergroup? Friends list? Are they just given a general idea without specifics? Is it verified it's individual accounts, that you haven't ended up, intentionally or not, re-asking the same people? Or perhaps you asked those gathered for one of these events, which would be a biased sample?
The statement is vague enough to be generally unprovable.
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We have asked for this; you have stated your piece. I respect that. Understand though, this is a simple request; we are not asking for plaque off the Mall in Washington D.C.; we are not asking for a national holiday. This is no different than honoring a community event that has engendered the finer qualities of the game.
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Yet you're asking for a replica of the Washington Monument to be put in every capital of every nation, because one cannot be made that exists on its own. It holds only a tiny piece of ground on its own, after all, what harm does irrelevance to the other nations have?
Again, the counterproposals put forward would not require an in-game permanence in servers - the majority of them - that have nothing to do with the event. How are these counterproposals so unworthy of consideration, that this step needs to be taken?
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Again, this is a little plaque in a remote corner of a zone in a video game; how does this harm you? This plaque can simply identify that those participating in this consistent, positive, and note-worthy event should encourage you to try something as dedicated and dynamic as this itself.
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And this can also be done by the counterproposals, yet this is not considered. Only this plaque seems to be worthy of consideration by those of you pushing it. I have not heard the counterproposals debated more than... not even half-heartedly, or examined. Counterproposals that would in some instances bring even greater visibility. And which would have the same effect as "encouraging you to try something (like) this yourself."
Of course, to that last point, AT-specific and powerset specific teams, known as Superteams typically, are created with no reference or relationship to Tanker Tuesday, so even that as an argument for the effect of the event falls flat. The idea is not unique. The only argument being held to it is that it is long running - something true of other player creations in game as well, as has been discussed in great detail so far.
Tanker Tuesday was started by the Ring (one of the commanders of the Watchguard at the time and also one of the MEGAFORCE leaders) who wanted to promote Tankery fun and expand the player knowledge base on Tanks in general. I dont think he ever knew how big it would become or how well it would be received on Champion.
but for all those who have helped Tanker Tuesday in any manner I humbly thank you for your support.
I cant speak for the Ring but I know several Champion players who have attended or help host or just stood there flinging snowballs at Jet-Set (me lol). I am most certainly humbled and honored this event is still the haps here on Champ.
I cant name names (but you know who you are
PS Ace - the plaque looks hella kewl and thanks for the kind words!
@Deadboy