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Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin
Having respect for a symbol is not the same as having respect for your country and your way of life.
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That's one of the few places that Carlin missed the target. Man IS a symbol minded creature. Symbols have always held immense power, throughout human history, and still do today. We all equate the symbol with its target, and can only disassociate the two on an intellectual level. At the gut level, we respond to an assault on the symbol the same as we would to an assault on its target.
When I read the original post, my kneejerk reaction was "No frikkin' way!" Then I had to analyze why I felt so strongly about it. (I try to do that with all my kneejerk reactions.) And my post was the reasons I uncovered. In a world with superheroes, wearing a flag as a cape would mean it would get dragged in the dirt, covered in various vile, disgusting things, and damaged frequently. Even if it's made from some kind of super-fabric so it doesn't take physical damage, the rest would still happen. And putting ANY flag in that situation is simply not respectful, to the flag, or to its target.
Sure, the game engine doesn't currently show dirt, soil, or damage, but do you really want to see your flag dangling in sewer effluent? Getting puked on by Vazhilok? The game CAN show those.
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Two words, Scotch Guard. The effluence just beads up and rolls right off.
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The affluence just beads up and rolls right off.
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I'm sure you meant 'effluent'. "Affluence" is wealth.
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The issue of country flag capes came up during I10 closed beta. If I recall correctly, Hero 1's flag cape was accidentally made available to players, who clamored for capes from other countries. However, I think the amount of work required to put in that many capes would be prohibitive, especially if you want to tack on the capes from each of the 50 states, which would bring the total number somewhere over 240 flags (assuming that each of the roughly 195 sovereign nations has its own unique flag).
I'm not against the idea, but I am realistic about it's chances of being implemented, which seem pretty low. Even if you just wanted flags from the major world powers it could be construed as an insult to players from smaller countries.
Of course, it also opens up a new can of worms in terms of political-opinion heroes (a Fire Tanker, Scrapper or Brute wearing the flag of a nation might not mesh well with some people).
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Actually, it came up sometime around when the game came out. Not pretty. Then there was a REALLY huge fight over whether the flag over city hall needed to be lit or not. Pages and pages of it.
No flags. Trust me on this. Not only are there a lot of them to put in, there will be a lot of wear and tear on our moderators that won't ever stop. People who see others wearing flags of countries they don't like are going to be even more tempted to break ToS rules. Think what would have happened to heroes wearing Afghanistani flags soon after 9/11.
I really, strongly advise against doing this. If you do this anyway, make it so only the player wearing the flag can see it while everyone else sees flat grey.
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You really have no problem with that?
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If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
[/ QUOTE ]The answer that makes me sound patriotic: My country is more than a flag, and destruction of a flag doesn't mean anything for the state of my country. New flags can be created to replace the destructed ones, so long as my country remains.
My real answer: I honestly couldn't give half a [censored] about some flag, from my country or otherwise. I'm not patriotic, I don't have "school spirit", and all I really care about is that my needs and most of my wants are met, most of which are things I need to accomplish on my own. If I saw you tearing up some piece of cloth trying to inctie me into a patriotic rage, I'd probably shrug and walk away, because I simply don't care.
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Yes, IIRC the EU servers are in Scandanavia... I think.
And hey, we already have one possible national flag in game. >.>
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*runs off to make Captain Libya*
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How would you feel if I took your national flag down from a flagpole, threw it down on the ground and walked all over it? Or I shot several holes in it? Stuck my finger down my throat and vomited all over it? Put on a set of Kung Fu Tiger Claws, and ripped a bunch of holes in it? Took a knife and stabbed and ripped it several times? Burned it? Threw acid on it? Dumped a bunch of raw sewage on it? (Which would include human feces, among other things.)
You really have no problem with that?
Because if you wear it as a cape, that's just a few of the things that are going to happen to it.
If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
Respect for your country and for the flag that represents it includes NOT putting it in a situation where you know it will become soiled, torn, burnt, befouled or otherwise defaced. Wearing it as a cape would most certainly be putting it in such a situation.
Look up the colors and the flags of nations you want to have your characters come from, and use those within the costume creator to associate them with those countries. But if you wouldn't be comfortable seeing the flag of your own nation torn, burnt, soiled and defaced as a part of someone's costume, then you should extend the same courtesy to the flags of other nations.
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Its cloth. Get over it. That's how I would feel.
Fleeting, I should have read your post before I posted mine. I would simply have said "This! ^"
well, i've seen plenty of clothing that uses the flag for whatever have you, be it shirts, pants, under garments... in fact these things are still made and nothing has happened to the makers of said clothing.
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How would you feel if I took your national flag down from a flagpole, threw it down on the ground and walked all over it? Or I shot several holes in it? Stuck my finger down my throat and vomited all over it? Put on a set of Kung Fu Tiger Claws, and ripped a bunch of holes in it? Took a knife and stabbed and ripped it several times? Burned it? Threw acid on it? Dumped a bunch of raw sewage on it? (Which would include human feces, among other things.)
You really have no problem with that?
Because if you wear it as a cape, that's just a few of the things that are going to happen to it.
If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
Respect for your country and for the flag that represents it includes NOT putting it in a situation where you know it will become soiled, torn, burnt, befouled or otherwise defaced. Wearing it as a cape would most certainly be putting it in such a situation.
Look up the colors and the flags of nations you want to have your characters come from, and use those within the costume creator to associate them with those countries. But if you wouldn't be comfortable seeing the flag of your own nation torn, burnt, soiled and defaced as a part of someone's costume, then you should extend the same courtesy to the flags of other nations.
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I just feel the need to point out that for centuries armies carried the flag of their nations into battle, well knowing that (many of) those things could well happen to the bearers, and indeed the flag itself.
So frankly I don't agree.
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How would you feel if I took your national flag down from a flagpole, threw it down on the ground and walked all over it? Or I shot several holes in it? Stuck my finger down my throat and vomited all over it? Put on a set of Kung Fu Tiger Claws, and ripped a bunch of holes in it? Took a knife and stabbed and ripped it several times? Burned it? Threw acid on it? Dumped a bunch of raw sewage on it? (Which would include human feces, among other things.)
You really have no problem with that?
Because if you wear it as a cape, that's just a few of the things that are going to happen to it.
If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
Respect for your country and for the flag that represents it includes NOT putting it in a situation where you know it will become soiled, torn, burnt, befouled or otherwise defaced. Wearing it as a cape would most certainly be putting it in such a situation.
Look up the colors and the flags of nations you want to have your characters come from, and use those within the costume creator to associate them with those countries. But if you wouldn't be comfortable seeing the flag of your own nation torn, burnt, soiled and defaced as a part of someone's costume, then you should extend the same courtesy to the flags of other nations.
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you have been around long enough to know that this is a game and nothing happens to our costumes. they never rip, smudge, get dirty, get things spilled on them, burnt.... etc, etc.
turn down the real life a bit while you play the game.
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If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
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But it's not my country.. Its a flag, a symbol. Frankly what do I care if the symbol is destroyed so long as the country is fine? We are industrious people ,we can come up with another symbol if need be.
Heroes wearing capes shows their loyalty or affinity for their country, if something happens to it, they can patch it or get a new one...
Plus, unless I missed something, this is a virtual cape we are talking about right? I mean, no one is asking for the PlayNC store to sell actual capes with flag designs on them that people could buy and wear around town or in their chair playing city of heroes with, right?
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?" - The Joker
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Actually I think he's viewing it from an in-character perspective... and I think he's right.
If I were Liberty Belle or some other All-American heroine I wouldn't want to dishonor the flag by wearing it or letting it get damaged.
I imagine Comrade Rossiskaya and Captain Nippon would feel the same way.
The only people who would wear them are the 'Nationalist' heroes and they'd NEVER wear them for risk of the flag getting damaged or desecrated.
.... and that makes sense to me.
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Nah, Captain Nippon wears one of those standard banners with the Rising Sun on it, and that thing hardly lasts a single fight anyway, good thing he buys them in bulk.
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I remember the old Axis America missions where there were swastika flags all over the place (with the garbled Hitler speech on the PA). Those got taken out when the 5th got replaced by the Council which also coincided with the release of CoX in the EU, some countries of which have some pretty interesting laws concerning content in entertainment media (Germany has some pretty strict ones the whole Nazi thing, iirc).
Though to voice something relevant to the discussion at hand, I doubt we'll get any flag capes thanks to the workload involved, though, I wouldn't put it past them to create an in-game item pack with them. I'm reasonably sure that transcribing rectangles into trapezoids isn't too hard.
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The 5th were NOT removed due to German anti-Nazi laws.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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The 5th were NOT removed due to German anti-Nazi laws.
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Thank you.
As to flag capes. There really isn't any reason to object other than the length of time it would take Sexy Jay to design them. There are plenty of RL clothes that sport the flags colors/design.
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Jay, can we have her?
Not the US flag bikini, just her... 
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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I have a Broad sword/Shield defense scrapper Lord Britania, I had to make do with aplain white with blue internal cape for him, a union jack would make my day!!!
Shhh. My common sense is tingling. ~ Deadpool
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The 5th were NOT removed due to German anti-Nazi laws.
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I know. It was just a comment on the remarkable coincidence, which you have to admit is at least a bit amusing.
Though, that doesn't really address why the Axis America missions with their hefty Nazi ambiance were removed/modified, especially since it's an alternate universe where the 5th didn't necessarily have to get taken over by the Council.
Oooooooooooooooookay.... Now show me people wearing the Russian Flag, the Afghani flag, the Spanish flag, French flag, Union Jack (that'll be easy, I think?) Portugal, Brazil (again easy!) and all the other flags of ... Well let's -just- do the United Nations!
I'm less worried about right wing America chewing hats over it than I am -other- countries screaming and raving.
America is full of iconoclasts. In some countries iconoclasts are killed for their radical ideas.
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I remember the old Axis America missions where there were swastika flags all over the place (with the garbled Hitler speech on the PA). Those got taken out when the 5th got replaced by the Council which also coincided with the release of CoX in the EU, some countries of which have some pretty interesting laws concerning content in entertainment media (Germany has some pretty strict ones the whole Nazi thing, iirc).
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1. You're a jerk for not posting on Freedom that you're back. HAET. WB, Umbral.
2. I loved those old Axis missions, but they didn't have swastika flags all over; they were 5th-inspired flags, but no swastikas. And if I recall rightly, that was a Russian track, not German.
Now, onto flags:
I'd love it if they expanded it not just to capes, but to chest patterns and whatnot. This is one of my all-time fav heroes:
Jenny Sparks, of the Authority
Having that as a valid t-shirt option would go a long way too, as it would fit my soccer hooligan scrapper, Anarki Rex. 
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...and this one would soooo rawk!!! 
I believe there national ice hockey team or olympic team (whichever)...there hockey sweaters (jersey) have the symbol (Scandinavian cross) on them.
It is a cool idea (Country flag capes) but I really dont see it happening for reasons stated here in this thread.
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Hero 1's cape is the flag of England.
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Just for the record thats the flag for the United Kingdom of which England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island are the members and is called the Union Flag.
The English flag is the flag of St George.
Also Hero 1s cape is upside down
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I know I'm not getting my flag in the game. The Danish flag is a simple design. White cross on a red background. I made a costume to that pattern (Angelic top, Stripe bottom) and that costume could use the flag design for a cape. But I'm not getting it because the game shies away from real world religions and having the cross pattern for a cape would probably offend someone. So it's not happening. I still want it, though.
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