Discussion: Full Powerset Proliferation Revealed

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Villains do not need more zones. Heroes need less. Seriously most of the hero zones are completely under used ghost towns. I would prefer a smaller amount of used zones over a larger amount of ghost towns.


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I have to disagree here...I have always wanted an alternative to Grandville. Nothing else, just that, or allow newspaper missions/contacts to go to 50 in Nerva and St. Martial. (probably easier than getting a new zone). Grandville is too laggy even with a fast connection for many people. I hear complaints about it all the time.

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Grandville lag has nothing to do with the amount of people. Grandville was built poorly. (It takes 5% more memory of my 2 GB than other zones, even off hours on Triumph.)

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Oh and make patrons respec-able...only fair.

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How about this. Keep patrons unrespec-able, but add a couple of APPs instead.

As it is, all four Patrons offer pretty much the exact same powers to each AT, so what exactly would you be hoping from a respec out of them? They give you a free respec after the 1st portion of the arc.

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Actually, none of the power sets being discussed are all that mind blowing.

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mind blowing? thermal and cold for heroes is not? Thermal and cold domination are not mind blowing? PBU and cold domination = -dmg cap pretty much will take out any EB (pve) or AT (in pvp) out of the fight.
What kinda get me mad is the article how they keep describing how MMs cant get kin or how cold armor is not possible for brutes. Kinda adding fuel to the fire.

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Have you tried the combo yet? Seriously, can you give me the exact figures known at the moment to only the development team? Can you tell me how much they will change the powers in question during closed beta, or open beta for that matter? Can you give me the caps they will assign them?

QUIT GUESSING!

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QUIT GUESSING!


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Bu-But, then we can't call DOOOOOOOM!

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Actually, none of the power sets being discussed are all that mind blowing.

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mind blowing? thermal and cold for heroes is not? Thermal and cold domination are not mind blowing? PBU and cold domination = -dmg cap pretty much will take out any EB (pve) or AT (in pvp) out of the fight.
What kinda get me mad is the article how they keep describing how MMs cant get kin or how cold armor is not possible for brutes. Kinda adding fuel to the fire.

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No, those are not mind blowing. Heroes already do what Thermal does in Empathy, Sonic, Kin and Rad. Heroes already do what Cold does in Force Fields, Storm and dark.

The only new stuff to heroes those sets bring are the -Special debuff and +HP buff from Cold. Villains get new powers in Hurricane and Lightning Storm, Short Circuit, maybe something from Earth Control.

Cold Domination and Thermal Radiation exist to replace Force Fields and Empathy, since those sets have no debuffs and therefore aren't very good for Corruptors.

Also, afaik pbu does not effect -Dmg.

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Wavicle, Energy/Energy Blaster, dinged 50 in Issue 4, summer of 2005.
@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.

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Sure, keep CoH/V going while you do so. But make a new game that doesn't rapidly, prematurely age your coders everytime you need to upgrade. Who knows? You guys have tons of imagination and talent. If you come up with something exciting and new, I might stick around.

Cal2

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Please don't

I'm not joking

Go

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Crime of Fashion Level 50 Rad/Rad Corrupter
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QUIT GUESSING!


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Bu-But, then we can't call DOOOOOOOM!

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Shouldn't that be destroyer instead of doom?

Dr Doom, Dr Destroyer?

Which one is the original and which is CO lame knock off.... I can't remember

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well i see nothing has changed in the year since ive left. You guys this happens EVERY ISSUE. Some group of people don't like something about some aspect of the issue. Issue 3 was that people without 50s couldn't get Khelds. Issue 7 was not enough hero content. Issue 8 was too much hero content. Issue 9 was that the stf was too hard. In issue 7 when the heros complained villains got everything and heroes got nothing, they waited until i8 and they got more and villains got less.....it probably will work out like that here guys so please calm down and turn off the damn DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

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Issues 10 and 11 were mostly Doom-Free. It couldn't last.

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Grandville lag has nothing to do with the amount of people. Grandville was built poorly. (It takes 5% more memory of my 2 GB than other zones, even off hours on Triumph.)

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Oh and make patrons respec-able...only fair.

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How about this. Keep patrons unrespec-able, but add a couple of APPs instead.

As it is, all four Patrons offer pretty much the exact same powers to each AT, so what exactly would you be hoping from a respec out of them? They give you a free respec after the 1st portion of the arc.

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I didn't say anything about the amount of people in grandville. I just said many people have told me it's laggy for them. It was laggy when I had cable service, its still laggy even now on DSL Elite.

No other area no matter how many people are in zone, even Cap's black market which is very crowded so it must be something about Grandville.

As the the patron's, if they add APP's, or change or tweak anything even a single power they would have to grant a one-time patron respec to everyone that has done it.

That may be the fly in the soup that is stopping anything from being done with them, or maybe there are other priorities and not enough time. I really couldn't say, and I'm not going to stress over it. If it can be worked on it will, in time.

However being a Villain only player...I am not complaining. Just suggesting...there is a difference.

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Haven't you received the memo? If you don't agree with someone, you're whining, complaining, or saying DOOOOOM

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All the new sets look awesome. I'm particularly excited about getting to have an Elec/Elec stalker. You rule devs!

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Grandville lag has nothing to do with the amount of people. Grandville was built poorly. (It takes 5% more memory of my 2 GB than other zones, even off hours on Triumph.)

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Oh and make patrons respec-able...only fair.

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How about this. Keep patrons unrespec-able, but add a couple of APPs instead.

As it is, all four Patrons offer pretty much the exact same powers to each AT, so what exactly would you be hoping from a respec out of them? They give you a free respec after the 1st portion of the arc.

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I didn't say anything about the amount of people in grandville. I just said many people have told me it's laggy for them. It was laggy when I had cable service, its still laggy even now on DSL Elite.

No other area no matter how many people are in zone, even Cap's black market which is very crowded so it must be something about Grandville.

As the the patron's, if they add APP's, or change or tweak anything even a single power they would have to grant a one-time patron respec to everyone that has done it.

That may be the fly in the soup that is stopping anything from being done with them, or maybe there are other priorities and not enough time. I really couldn't say, and I'm not going to stress over it. If it can be worked on it will, in time.

However being a Villain only player...I am not complaining. Just suggesting...there is a difference.

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This is my Villain APP wish list. Since APP give the AT powers they did not have access to before then it was kind of easy to make a list up.

Brute
**Energy Mastery**
Power Boost
Focus Accuracy
Laser eye beam
Energy Torrent
(Dropped Conserve Power from the Tankers APP and added Power Boost)

Corruptor
**Power Mastery**
Personal Force Field
Temporary Invulnerability
Power Build up
Total Focus
(Dropped Conserve Power from the Defenders APP and added Personal Force Field)

Dominator
**Cold**
Snow Storm
Frozen Armor
Energy Absorption
Hibernate
(Dropped Flash Freeze from the Blasters APP and added Energy Absorption)

Mastermind
**Primal Force Mastery**
Conserve Power
Temporary Invulnerability
Power Boost
Bone Smasher
(Dropped Power Blast from the Controllers APP and added Bone Smasher)

Stalker
**Weapon Mastery**
Web Grenade
Targeting Drone
Shuriken
Exploding Shuriken
(Dropped Caltrops from the Scrappers APP and added Targeting Drone)

P.S. I know this wouldn't happen thats why I said it was a wish list.

P.S.S. Why dont they make a whole new respec TF in RWZ and the Villains and Heroes can unlock a Vanguard Power. I should make a hero set.

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Proton Sentry Peacebringer:lvl 50+++ - Human Build / Triform Build
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Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build

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Grandville lag has nothing to do with the amount of people. Grandville was built poorly. (It takes 5% more memory of my 2 GB than other zones, even off hours on Triumph.)

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Oh and make patrons respec-able...only fair.

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How about this. Keep patrons unrespec-able, but add a couple of APPs instead.

As it is, all four Patrons offer pretty much the exact same powers to each AT, so what exactly would you be hoping from a respec out of them? They give you a free respec after the 1st portion of the arc.

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I didn't say anything about the amount of people in grandville. I just said many people have told me it's laggy for them. It was laggy when I had cable service, its still laggy even now on DSL Elite.

No other area no matter how many people are in zone, even Cap's black market which is very crowded so it must be something about Grandville.

As the the patron's, if they add APP's, or change or tweak anything even a single power they would have to grant a one-time patron respec to everyone that has done it.

That may be the fly in the soup that is stopping anything from being done with them, or maybe there are other priorities and not enough time. I really couldn't say, and I'm not going to stress over it. If it can be worked on it will, in time.

However being a Villain only player...I am not complaining. Just suggesting...there is a difference.

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Regarding Grandville: The lag generated there appears to be machine related, not particularly connection related (within reason). For example, I am on a very slow DSL connection, but experience no lag within the zone. A SG mate with a much faster connection but lower end machine is constantly having problems there. There have been some rather exhaustive discussions by people who have performed some rather in depth graphical analysis in the tech forums, but those may have been cleaned in the last purge.

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Co-Founder: Hand of Justice, Champion Server

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its lord recluse on the big screen/PA system that is lagging the zone down

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its lord recluse on the big screen/PA system that is lagging the zone down

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I wonder if power set proliferation might one day include a remote control...

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Thorizdin

Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends

I guess I'll just cry until the next round of sets, all I wanted was Elec on Tanks/Scrappers :P

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its lord recluse on the big screen/PA system that is lagging the zone down

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Only partially. Much of the lag has to do with the type of texturing (the web, etc) as well as the fact that the buildings are double-layer elements. It essentially is like someone built all of Grandville with stock existing CoH buildings, then built all the Grandville specific textures slightly enlarged on top of them. This is why you can get caught between the pieces of many of the buildings in the zone (stuck between the outer and inner walls).

Also, this engine renders many more objects than it should are not visible. So when you enter Grandville, you get the webs (bad for many) and two complete cities with ridiculous amounts of details/parts/etc.

The streaming video would indeed cause a bandwidth problem, but (as stated in the earlier post), I have very low end DSL and have no bandwidth issues in the zone. I could easily see it blowing dial-up out of the water, though.

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Co-Founder: Hand of Justice, Champion Server

Currently published arcs:
1) Azuria's Difficulties (arc: 55639) - Ver 1.2

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its lord recluse on the big screen/PA system that is lagging the zone down

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I wonder if power set proliferation might one day include a remote control...

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AS YOU GRASP WITH BOTH HANDS THE GLOORRRRRIOUS FUTURE OF HAVOC

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I love the heroes that say that all Villain players are complainers. Well I will admit I am complaining just a little bit. If you try and compare villains and heroes it is no contest. Please do not use the excuse that Heroes has been out longer cause you know what its been long enough. A big thing now a days is PVP on consoles and games like Halo, or Call of Duty are so good at doing this is cause of the equal balance. The only differance is the skill of the player. With these new set the only balanced PVP that heroes will find is against each other. Villains just will not stack up against a group of heroes with Therm Buffs, Emp Buffs and Cold Buffs as well. So when you hero players start calling us complainers just realize all we want is a chance to be equal to you and have a chance in zones. Plus I think if it became even close to equal we would then see who the complainers are.

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Villains just will not stack up against a group of heroes with Therm Buffs, Emp Buffs and Cold Buffs as well.

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Well, except for the Dull-Pain-Other of Cold, Heroes already HAD all the buffs in question in other powersets. That is why many primarily hero players are probably confused about the cries of Armaggedon from buffs being brought across.

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Co-Founder: Hand of Justice, Champion Server

Currently published arcs:
1) Azuria's Difficulties (arc: 55639) - Ver 1.2

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Villains just will not stack up against a group of heroes with Therm Buffs, Emp Buffs and Cold Buffs as well.

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Yes... my God... think of how amazingly over-powering it would be if one faction had Sonic bubbles, Force Fields, Thermal and Cold shields! Why, that team would win in PVP every time!

Wait... no, Villains have had that for 2 years. So... gamebreaking it evidently is not.

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Villains just will not stack up against a group of heroes with Therm Buffs, Emp Buffs and Cold Buffs as well.

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Well, except for the Dull-Pain-Other of Cold, Heroes already HAD all the buffs in question in other powersets. That is why many primarily hero players are probably confused about the cries of Armaggedon from buffs being brought across.

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I am not sure why Hertz replied to me in his post above, but I meant my response to directly address the combination of outcry about powerboost combined with new buffs. My point was that heroes already had access to Powerboost and the buffs being ported over...so I do not see sudden new power abilities being added. Just different mixes available in a given number of players.

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Co-Founder: Hand of Justice, Champion Server

Currently published arcs:
1) Azuria's Difficulties (arc: 55639) - Ver 1.2

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I didn't say anything about the amount of people in grandville. I just said many people have told me it's laggy for them. It was laggy when I had cable service, its still laggy even now on DSL Elite.

No other area no matter how many people are in zone, even Cap's black market which is very crowded so it must be something about Grandville.


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As explained above by someone else, the problem of grandville is how it was designed. I know people that crashed just by going there. It boils down to building/texture placement, and what the game renders what it should not. I got a huge amount of lag on my old computer, I upgraded to a new computer at the beginning of the year. Even with Vista and a crappy onboard graphics chip I'm not getting the lag I had before. I've had cable modem service for the last 10 years.

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As the the patron's, if they add APP's, or change or tweak anything even a single power they would have to grant a one-time patron respec to everyone that has done it.

That may be the fly in the soup that is stopping anything from being done with them, or maybe there are other priorities and not enough time. I really couldn't say, and I'm not going to stress over it. If it can be worked on it will, in time.

However being a Villain only player...I am not complaining. Just suggesting...there is a difference.

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So what if they have to grant a respec that would replace the patron respec? They already have done so before. I fail to see the problem. They could even mostly port the hero APPs with some graphical and balance tweaks so that no one is overpowered. For all we know something along those lines might be in the works for Issue 13+.

Likely that it was a manpower issue, and they had/have other priorities.

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its lord recluse on the big screen/PA system that is lagging the zone down

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I wonder if power set proliferation might one day include a remote control...

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AS YOU GRASP WITH BOTH HANDS THE GLOORRRRRIOUS FUTURE OF HAVOC

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AND THE STRENGTH TO TAKE WHATCHU DESIRE!!! (RAH!!)

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I was kind of hoping for thermal for defenders with fire blasts but I am happy to get some new stuff to try out. I dont know what all goes into the process of deciding what to have ingame but I trust the makers and designers to do their thang. So thanks for givin us some more fun stuff to try. I just wish one day lag and load times will be a thing of the past lol. Thanks again

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LOL! @ people getting all kinds of upset over this!

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