PvP Community Wishlist - Finished Copy
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1_800_Spines,
Posted on: 2008-02-06 19:46 in Everything about PvP
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Thanks for the update, Castle, though I imagine many people won't like the change to TK. Is this to address the rag-doll lock problem? If it's not that, would you consider reinstating the repel against players, but change it so less break frees are needed to escape it?
Not Putzing is going to be mad all her work is getting some attention just a few days after she's left the game... or is this just to get her back?
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The problem is that when you get stuck in the "ragdoll animation" you cant use break frees so it will still be exploited. The "less break free" suggestion isnt a fix for that issue.
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Thanks for the update, Castle, though I imagine many people won't like the change to TK. Is this to address the rag-doll lock problem? If it's not that, would you consider reinstating the repel against players, but change it so less break frees are needed to escape it?
Not Putzing is going to be mad all her work is getting some attention just a few days after she's left the game... or is this just to get her back?
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The problem is that when you get stuck in the "ragdoll animation" you cant use break frees so it will still be exploited. The "less break free" suggestion isnt a fix for that issue.
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But we never found out if the planned change to TK was to address the ragdoll problem or fix something else (like getting pushed through geometry or players generally annoyed by TK...)
Well, castle brought up the -repel because of the TK bug so Im sure it has something to do with it. That and its a major exploit that a lot of minds take advantage of.
I see a lot of good changes here, but one thing I'm not getting... under what's proposed above, how is a tray full of BF's not an instant "i win" when facing a dom in PVP ?
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I see a lot of good changes here, but one thing I'm not getting... under what's proposed above, how is a tray full of BF's not an instant "i win" when facing a dom in PVP ?
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Even a whole tray won't last you long.
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I see a lot of good changes here, but one thing I'm not getting... under what's proposed above, how is a tray full of BF's not an instant "i win" when facing a dom in PVP ?
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I was thinking more like arena matches and such.. but yeah in open field conditions like the pvp zones I can see where you'd eventually run out.
but still it seems like pop a few BF's and you've nullified anything a dom can do to keep you from blasting/pummeling in his pretty little mask
Even a whole tray won't last you long.
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I see a lot of good changes here, but one thing I'm not getting... under what's proposed above, how is a tray full of BF's not an instant "i win" when facing a dom in PVP ?
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A Mag 8 hold every 2 and a half seconds? Mag 10 protection from Hold in a break free. Before the first break free runs out, you can stack enough holds to hold you through 8 or 9 break frees. My mind dom has stacked holds long enough that I have killed the person with the damage from Dominate. Then again, Megalo and Power Boost do that to ya.
But, that does give quite the advantage to bursty damage types like blasters. 2 breaks is a little few for a blaster. But I guess there is no real way to have a perfect balance.... other than to make it a clicky 
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Castle, can you go into more detail on the cage suppresion nerf, thanks.
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It operates exactly the same as Hold suppression. Initial Cage will take full effect. Any additional cages will not take effect until the "suppression" period ends.
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FWIW, we reverted out the "Not affect players" change to TK, and changed Break Frees to 50% Repel Resist, and 100% resist for Medium and Large inspires.
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I was thinking about this today, but is there any chance to remove that resist from break frees and move them to sturdies instead? It would seem to fit with the TP resistance theme as well.
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Castle, can you go into more detail on the cage suppresion nerf, thanks.
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It operates exactly the same as Hold suppression. Initial Cage will take full effect. Any additional cages will not take effect until the "suppression" period ends.
EDIT:
FWIW, we reverted out the "Not affect players" change to TK, and changed Break Frees to 50% Repel Resist, and 100% resist for Medium and Large inspires.
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I was thinking about this today, but is there any chance to remove that resist from break frees and move them to sturdies instead? It would seem to fit with the TP resistance theme as well.
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I don't want to carry sturides and bfs when I'm fighting a mind dom 
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Castle, you said that it was unlikely to ever happen that,
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Make a paid PvP expansion where you can auto level to 50 and get unlimited loot for a toon, but can only play in the arena and PvP zones.
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Can you go into more detail why? Is it because it would be too hard to do/implement?
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Waste of time, energy, and money for a MAJORITY player population that does not pvp.
Why do you think the zones are empty? Not because they lack rewards for PvP but because players don't want to PvP.
Not becaus the zones are poorly implemented. Because the MAJORITY player base does not want to PvP.
Not because there is a discrepancy betweena good PvP build and good PvE build. Because the MAJORITY player base does not want to PvP.
How hard is this to understand?
"I'm not scared of anyone or anything Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?"
Jack Hawksmoor, The Authority.
More QQ please
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Castle, can you go into more detail on the cage suppresion nerf, thanks.
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It operates exactly the same as Hold suppression. Initial Cage will take full effect. Any additional cages will not take effect until the "suppression" period ends.
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FWIW, we reverted out the "Not affect players" change to TK, and changed Break Frees to 50% Repel Resist, and 100% resist for Medium and Large inspires.
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I was thinking about this today, but is there any chance to remove that resist from break frees and move them to sturdies instead? It would seem to fit with the TP resistance theme as well.
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I don't want to carry sturides and bfs when I'm fighting a mind dom
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Yes, having to think is a pain in the [censored].
Dominators don't need mitigation from their secondaries. Even if they did, there's ice (slows), psi (-recharge), and fire and elec (death).
-Talen_Lee commenting on Energy Assault's Utility
General "PVP sucks" flames are inappropriate for this thread.
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General "PVP sucks" flames are inappropriate for this thread.
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Hopefully, one day, "LOL PVP" flames in general will be inappropriate for this forum.
Sorry, carry on.
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Castle, you said that it was unlikely to ever happen that,
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Make a paid PvP expansion where you can auto level to 50 and get unlimited loot for a toon, but can only play in the arena and PvP zones.
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Can you go into more detail why? Is it because it would be too hard to do/implement?
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Waste of time, energy, and money for a MAJORITY player population that does not pvp.
Why do you think the zones are empty? Not because they lack rewards for PvP but because players don't want to PvP.
Not becaus the zones are poorly implemented. Because the MAJORITY player base does not want to PvP.
Not because there is a discrepancy betweena good PvP build and good PvE build. Because the MAJORITY player base does not want to PvP.
How hard is this to understand?
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how hard is it to understand that if they added tangible rewards to pvping that you wouldnt be able to get outside of pvp, it would be popular. example: wow. there are tons of casual pvpers because you can get some nice gear from doing the battlegrounds that are often much better than what u can get normally. only reason people dont 'want' to pvp is because they are not given any reason to want to. the people that pvp just do it for the sake of pvping, because its step up from the repetition of pve.
believe me, its a step up from pve. for those who QQ about it being just as repetetive as pve because everyone uses the same powers and bunny hops everywhere... just look at the difference between skill in players. thats where the new challenges come from. in pve there simpy isnt that level of skill needed or difficulty of opponents available to fight.
oh and something to add that im surprised isnt already on putz's list....
siege map has no map when your in it. when you zone in the map just goes dark unlike every other arena map.
i think there was another map that had this too, but my mind is kinda foggy its been a while.
Eden
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Castle, you said that it was unlikely to ever happen that,
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Make a paid PvP expansion where you can auto level to 50 and get unlimited loot for a toon, but can only play in the arena and PvP zones.
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Can you go into more detail why? Is it because it would be too hard to do/implement?
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Waste of time, energy, and money for a MAJORITY player population that does not pvp.
Why do you think the zones are empty? Not because they lack rewards for PvP but because players don't want to PvP.
Not becaus the zones are poorly implemented. Because the MAJORITY player base does not want to PvP.
Not because there is a discrepancy betweena good PvP build and good PvE build. Because the MAJORITY player base does not want to PvP.
How hard is this to understand?
[/ QUOTE ]could you tell me where you're getting this "MAJORITY" number from, thanks.
I'm pretty sure that most folks are out there PvE'ing than PvP'ing (we gotta level somehow).
However, by that reasoning, I see more Controllers and Masterminds when I'm out teaming... so they should spend less time fixing Blasters and Corruptors...?
Pisses ya off, don't it?
If it is broken, then fix it. Who cares how many people participate in it, the folks that do have to deal with more than it just being a minority.
The majority of players did not make that post. Ignore the vocal minority and ignore that post!!!!!
I am reminded of my history professor saying that one of the biggest problems of democracy is that a 51% majority can vote to put the other 49% to death.
Does this mean that now my Bots/FF Force Bubble just got nerfed? or is the game mechanics different with Force Bubble and TK repel? A blaster with aim+bu nuke can just chew a couple of BFs and then walk right up to me and my henchies and blam we all dead or will it be like it is now on live, were the force bubbles repel mitigates that affect, most of the time.
I like PVP, even though I die more often than I win, but it is still fun for me when I need a break from PVE.
Thank You for your responses....
Rule the World.
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I am reminded of my history professor saying that one of the biggest problems of democracy is that a 51% majority can vote to put the other 49% to death.
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Your history professor was an idiot then. Most, if not all, modern democracies are in fact dominated by motivated minorities.
Thorizdin
Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends
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I am reminded of my history professor saying that one of the biggest problems of democracy is that a 51% majority can vote to put the other 49% to death.
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Your history professor was an idiot then. Most, if not all, modern democracies are in fact dominated by motivated minorities.
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Ain't that the truth. Powerfull, motivated minorities have always been in control. They are very good at creating the illusion of democracy to the masses.
Surprisingly accurate critique of history found in a PvP thread. Awesome.. seriously 
Castle, thanks for posting, and most especially for getting some dialogue going on these issues. The PVP community has been hungry for it.
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One thing we've talked about doing on and off again since before COV launch was to enable "secondary builds" of a character for PVP. Essentially, you would have a second power list, with separate slotting, which you would use for PVP encounters.
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If it didn't cause PVE balance trouble, two (or more!) builds toggleable at will would answer just as nicely, and give players more mileage for the dev effort, as both PVP-only and PVE-only players would use the feature for two builds for their chosen play style. The feature could be a nice cash sink for the economy as well.
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A lot of things are outside the scope of issue 12, and venture into the realms of future stuff I can not talk about [...]
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Perhaps the most heartening aspect of your post is the large range of items that are either planned or at least possible, as you neither disclose what's up with them nor rule them out.
Oh yeah and please roll back the Acro nerf, KB is far superior to other mezzes when effective and IMO this nerf brings waay more trouble than improvement.