Discussion: Dec. 10th Prestige Grant & Debt Wipe
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Acid_Bath,
Posted on: 2007-11-12 13:46 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
This will rock and especially being on my bday
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Will this debt wipe count as debt paid? I am trying to get my badge but don't want to have to die a few times over again just to get it, if I don't already pay off what I need by then.
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The debt badges only accrue for debt paid off and no, the debt wipe won't count toward that. While we understand that some may not like to have their debt to be wiped, our feeling is that well, it's not too hard to bounce into some bad guys and take a fall to get it back.
Hopefully this isn't too much of an inconvenience for anyone.
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Yeah I'd love to build your debt badge back up for you so that my villain can get that hero kill PvP badge.
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Hopefully this isn't too much of an inconvenience for anyone.
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Hissss?
I know I will see you again on another game somewhere - one game can't hold all us crazies forever.
CuppaJo
Some people just need to be on the cross at all times for the attention, I guess.
Friggin_Taser
Cats hate me...
How about the SG badge Benedict DR-3 Turret Plans (10million prestige earned). Will the grant work toward that badge? I wouldn't think so but wanted to ask someone who knew for sure......thanks in advance!
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
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The debt badges only accrue for debt paid off and no, the debt wipe won't count toward that. While we understand that some may not like to have their debt to be wiped, our feeling is that well, it's not too hard to bounce into some bad guys and take a fall to get it back.
Hopefully this isn't too much of an inconvenience for anyone.
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Aw, its ok, I've become expert at getting myself back to maximum debt. Just jump into a crowd with a purple, and try to beat them using only brawl. Repeat as necessary.
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Hey, I'm as big a badge-ho as the next guy, but I was surprised to see a badge for debt in the first place. Frankly, those are the badges I would NEVER want to earn.
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So yeah, me too.
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Two points. One, if you're a villain, debt badges are part of the High Pain Threshold accolade... 10% health bonus. I'll happily take a few scars for that prize, and the sooner the better. Its like 10,000,000 paid off though, so gotta actually work at it if you want it before 50. Hey, if you want to snub a very useful accolade... go right ahead.
Second, you've really got to get over your debt fear. Debt is nothing. It pays off so fast even from max, its a joke that they're offering a debt wipe in the first place. The only way to get to 50 without a lot of debt is to be powerleveled by other people (or solo... *snore*)... I'd rather show my scars as someone who worked for it.
Plus some of the most fun in the game involves large amounts of inevitable debt, I don't care what your AT is. Raids drop players like flies, but its so fun, its such a blast and a rush... I mean, heck, if you're sitting there worrying about debt... I can only feel sorry for you, you're missing out.
May I humbly suggest that the day (Dec. 9) BEFORE the Debt Wipe be officially named 'LEEROY JENKINS DAY' ?
It's only appropriate!
I have been needing this prestige forever! 
My base and sg is poor and we have needed something to keep us getting because we are so close to getting more teleporters! 20k per person will be handy, especially looking at the amount of people in my sg. Who doesnt like a little free prestige?
BTW, is there going to be a freespec associated with I11 or the takeover?
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
This may be obvious to everyone else, and my reading of Lighthouse's messages seems to give me the answer of yes to my upcoming question, but I ask it anyway, to be absolutely sure:
Currently, SGs are granted 20,000 Prestige each for the first 15 members of the group. Does the upcoming Prestige grant go back and give the SG 20,000 Prestige each again for the first 15 members and then 20,000 Prestige each for all members beyond that?
Sortof (not precisely). Yes, the original 15 get it, and so does everyone after them - but it's not like the sign-on bonus is, in that it's not dependant on them remaining in the group. For each person under 15 the group drops, it loses 20,000 prestige from the sign-on bonus.
This grant is just a straight up, 20,000 per member grant. It doesn't disappear when any of your members, including the original 15, leave. Even if you get below 15 members, the grant won't go away. You only get rid of it by using it up (or disbanding the SG).
It's yours, all yours. Well, your SG's.
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There are too many players already who run around bragging about how much debt they have. A Few minutes playing with them and you realize why they have so much debt. A few more minutes playing with them and their utter lack of Tactic or Common Sense get you debt also.
Some of us Players ROLEPLAY our characters and DO NOT get alot of Debt. We are PROUD of the fact that we dont get Debt. Again, we are ignored and slighted. Rewards to the dumbest and most careless players.
Yeah, I'll just keep muttering "Its a reward, be happy."
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I'm completely befuddled why anyone would try to get the debt badges. I take it as a source of pride to NOT have them. I used to never stop bragging about my lvl 50 Blaster with "only" two of them. Many were shocked to learn that. (Not over the bragging part)
Seeing some complain about the debt wipe does bring a smile to my face though. Truly...players will complain about anything. Is there anything easier to get in this game than debt? One could easily say debt is "overpowered" and is "being exploited" by these folks who "aren't using it as intended". (Which of course is "ruining my gaming experience" 
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Hey, I'm as big a badge-ho as the next guy, but I was surprised to see a badge for debt in the first place. Frankly, those are the badges I would NEVER want to earn.
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So yeah, me too.
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Two points. One, if you're a villain, debt badges are part of the High Pain Threshold accolade... 10% health bonus. I'll happily take a few scars for that prize, and the sooner the better. Its like 10,000,000 paid off though, so gotta actually work at it if you want it before 50. Hey, if you want to snub a very useful accolade... go right ahead.
Second, you've really got to get over your debt fear. Debt is nothing. It pays off so fast even from max, its a joke that they're offering a debt wipe in the first place. The only way to get to 50 without a lot of debt is to be powerleveled by other people (or solo... *snore*)... I'd rather show my scars as someone who worked for it.
Plus some of the most fun in the game involves large amounts of inevitable debt, I don't care what your AT is. Raids drop players like flies, but its so fun, its such a blast and a rush... I mean, heck, if you're sitting there worrying about debt... I can only feel sorry for you, you're missing out.
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That's a decent point on villains. However....
Isn't the entire point of wanting more health to keep you from dying? That one doesn't make a lot of sense either. "I must die more so I won't die as much!"
I have no debt fear personally. I just don't like losing. Debt means you weren't good enough. (Not counting computer problems and horrible miss streaks.) I like Tankers and Scrappers because they don't die much and Controllers and Defenders because they prevent death for the entire team. (Yeah...I left out Blasters) A lot of debt makes me feel wimpy, stupid, or both.
I don't mind the debt wipe even if it does slow down getting the badges, but seeing as how easy debt is I'm not too worried about it. I have 2 heroes that both SHOULD get debt by their RP. Their whole backstory involves being reborn from a death and further 'deaths' only make them stronger. Besides debt isn't from dying, that's why we wake up in the hospital (or an SG medbay), the citie's teleport grid pulls us to safety when our vitals get below a threshold so we don't die. There's even ingame stories behind people who did die because something interefered.
Also my scrapper died much more often than my blaster (and the scrapper is only 25, the blaster is 50). My stalker has probably had the least amount of deaths so far. All in all, just like the prestige and the other-side unlock, the debt wipe is a small gift that doesn't unbalance anything and some will like, others won't, and the majority are probably unconcerned one way or the other about.
This whole Debt Badge thing disturbs me. I try to avoid getting debt but some yahoos play all the time like debt doesnt matter. Why do you have to encourage this behavior?
It makes no sense. You get badges for getting debt but most buffing gets you nada. How lame is that?
As for the prestige Bonus, I appreciate the chance to upgrade our base a bit but I see a period of time where everyone and anyone is going to be hounded to death to join Super Groups and the Channels will be full of people Spamming advertisements for people to join their Super Groups.
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Hellguard wrote: He said "member" of SG, implying individual characters, and the previous prestige gift was tied to individual character, not account. Also, the initial 20,000 prestige for SG members (up to 15) is for the character, not the account.
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Well, I imagine that you're correct, but I'd still like to hear it from a red name. Actually, it's the specific word "member" that's tripping me up - I think of the "members" of an SG as being the people who belong to it, whether they have 1 toon apiece or 12.
If the grant is 20,000 prestige per toon, this is a pretty dumb reward. Not because the prestige isn't welcome, but because it's essentially a flat 3,000,000-per-SG gift wrapped inside a catalog of pointless busy work (creating lots of extra toons to stuff the SG roster). Why not just give each existing supergroup 3 million prestige?
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I'm not sure they could code it to be tied to the accounts that the characters are on; they've always mentioned having problems with that in terms of increasing the size of the SG membership (i.e., some people have suggested raising the cap by making it limited to 75 accounts instead of characters, and they mentioned having difficulties doing that -- and even now that they've raised the cap, it's not account based).
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This is a bit different in that it's a one-time data mining operation. All they need to do is produce a list of supergroups and bonuses at one point in time. It doesn't have to be done on an ongoing basis and it can take as long as it needs to. If they have problems mapping toons to accounts at this level, I'd be very surprised.
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If the grant is 20,000 prestige per toon, this is a pretty dumb reward. Not because the prestige isn't welcome, but because it's essentially a flat 3,000,000-per-SG gift wrapped inside a catalog of pointless busy work (creating lots of extra toons to stuff the SG roster).
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No, it's not. Sure, people could stock their SGs with filler members, but even if everybody did that to the best of their ability, it still wouldn't equal giving every SG 3 million.
With the 12 character limit, each SG needs a minimum of 13 accounts in order to be completely full. And if people are playing in multiple SGs, which I would guess is the more common case, then that further limits the number of filler characters they could create.
Giving 3 million to each SG only requires 1 character of 1 account to be a member. So instead of 1 SG needing 13 accounts, 1 account could make 12 SGs that would each get 3 million prestige.
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This whole Debt Badge thing disturbs me. I try to avoid getting debt but some yahoos play all the time like debt doesnt matter. Why do you have to encourage this behavior?
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For villains, debt badge #4 is tied to a critical accolade. Some villain players want that extra 10% to their toons' health.
Also if some people like to plow in and get debt, so what? Once your toon is level 50 debt becomes irrelevant anyway.
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As for the prestige Bonus, I appreciate the chance to upgrade our base a bit but I see a period of time where everyone and anyone is going to be hounded to death to join Super Groups and the Channels will be full of people Spamming advertisements for people to join their Super Groups.
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The hounding and spamming has already started in some cases, but then thats what the ignore function is for. If people want to cash in to bulk up their base, let em.
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This whole Debt Badge thing disturbs me. I try to avoid getting debt but some yahoos play all the time like debt doesnt matter. Why do you have to encourage this behavior?
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Why does it matter to you if I want to have debt to get a badge?
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If the grant is 20,000 prestige per toon, this is a pretty dumb reward. Not because the prestige isn't welcome, but because it's essentially a flat 3,000,000-per-SG gift wrapped inside a catalog of pointless busy work (creating lots of extra toons to stuff the SG roster).
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Actually, you're answering your own question in a way (by mentioning that if it's 20k per toon then it would work out to 3 million prestige). In LH's original announcement, he actually states that SGs will get up to 3 million prestige:
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Supergroups will receive an additional 20,000 Prestige per Supergroup member on Dec. 10th! This means SGs could acquire up to 3 million Prestige based upon their Supergroup membership roster!
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The *only* way for it to be a 3 million prestige gift is if it were counted by character, not by "member" in the way you're defining it.
EDIT: Er, just thought that using your definition of "member" you could still get 3 million prestige by having 150 unique members with only one character each, but I think that's stretching things quite a bit (how many SGs could possibly be like that?). Bottom line is, LH said it was based on membership roster, which is a list of characters in the SG, not a list of global handles/accounts. Also, as I stated previously, the previous prestige grant was per character, not account, which at the time amounted to a maximum 1.5 million gift. There's absolutely no reason to assume that this time will be any different than before.
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This whole Debt Badge thing disturbs me. I try to avoid getting debt but some yahoos play all the time like debt doesnt matter. Why do you have to encourage this behavior?
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Why does it matter to you if I want to have debt to get a badge?
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Because it rewards Sloth, Stupidity and Poor Tactics. Nuff Said?
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This whole Debt Badge thing disturbs me. I try to avoid getting debt but some yahoos play all the time like debt doesnt matter. Why do you have to encourage this behavior?
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For villains, debt badge #4 is tied to a critical accolade. Some villain players want that extra 10% to their toons' health.
Also if some people like to plow in and get debt, so what? Once your toon is level 50 debt becomes irrelevant anyway.
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As for the prestige Bonus, I appreciate the chance to upgrade our base a bit but I see a period of time where everyone and anyone is going to be hounded to death to join Super Groups and the Channels will be full of people Spamming advertisements for people to join their Super Groups.
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The hounding and spamming has already started in some cases, but then thats what the ignore function is for. If people want to cash in to bulk up their base, let em.
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So it doesnt bother you that you have to do without access to those channels? That you be overloeaded with Spam E-Mail and that you'll have to get rid of your Chat Boxes also to not be interrrupted by all the Tellls you will be getting?
Hmmm... wanna tell me what "Ignore" function you speak of that will do all that? Also, do you really intend to IGNORE players who are being forced to Adverstise their Super Groups if they want to Cash In!!?
Well, I have yet to see a single person spamming anymore than the usual for SG members. You know why? bc all the SG leaders are much smarter than you give them credit. It's called padding. There's even a huge post for it, people trading pads on one server for pads on another. So stop worrying about something that you're afraid you might see. Also, every chat channel isn't going to be effected. If you get a tell, respond saying no thx. They will leave you alone. If they spam over broadcast, /ignore. If they keep bothering you, which would be a rare occurance, report them.
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Lighthouse wrote: The 20,000 is applied for each member in the supergroup, regardless of their activity or status. If they show on the roster, they will be included in the 20,000 per member grant on the 10th.
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Thanks for being so responsive on this, Lighthouse.
Just to be clear, does the 20,000 bonus apply to each member (i.e. game account, global handle) on the roster or to each character on the roster?
In other words, is it truly of benefit for everyone to run out and pack their SGs with shill characters belonging to the same account? A supergroup with 13 members can receive the full 3 million bonus as long as all their slots are enrolled in the same SG?
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He said "member" of SG, implying individual characters, and the previous prestige gift was tied to individual character, not account. Also, the initial 20,000 prestige for SG members (up to 15) is for the character, not the account.
I'm not sure they could code it to be tied to the accounts that the characters are on; they've always mentioned having problems with that in terms of increasing the size of the SG membership (i.e., some people have suggested raising the cap by making it limited to 75 accounts instead of characters, and they mentioned having difficulties doing that -- and even now that they've raised the cap, it's not account based).