Discussion: Poll for Power Set Feedback!
By
2Negative,
Posted on: 2007-05-22 14:02 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Polls are good. I'm glad you guys are doing more of them. I presume these are linked in the updater? If not, they should be, so those who don't visit the forums regularly see them.
Heroes
Dysmal
Lumynous
Sam Steele
Pluck
Wile
Slagheap
Pressure Wave
Rhiannon Bel
Verified
Stellaric
Syd Mallorn
Villains
Jotunheim Skald
Saer Maen
Jen Corbae
Illuminance
Venator Arawn
Taiga Dryad
Tarranos
These powersets won't be in I10. Sooo what new powersets will we see in I10? 
You know, just to throw this out there - I had a whole mess of crepes this morning. They're just like pancakes, maybe even better.
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I'd rather pay for the box and get more stuff.
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Amen. 1000 times.
However, I think that entire box / free stuff switcharoo was purely a marketing ruse. If they could have had that stuff ready for a box 6+ months ago, how can it be taking so long to do it now? Has always sounded bogus to me. *shrug*
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They perhaps could have, if they'd spend the extra money to expand the CoX staff to create the expansion box, as they did with CoV. That they chose not to do so says that they didn't think it was the best business decision.
Heroes
Dysmal
Lumynous
Sam Steele
Pluck
Wile
Slagheap
Pressure Wave
Rhiannon Bel
Verified
Stellaric
Syd Mallorn
Villains
Jotunheim Skald
Saer Maen
Jen Corbae
Illuminance
Venator Arawn
Taiga Dryad
Tarranos
So ...
You guys are thinking about making another set that takes ideas for improving defender FF ... without actually improving FF?
from what i've seen on the boards so far and experience in play only 2 offerings on the list would really count as 'novel'. as with everything else it would also come down to implementation, any one of the choices could be great.
but my 2 influence:
psionic and streetfighting. psi would be very interesting, especially in pvp. streetfighting could be very interesting if a few of the devices seen in some streetfights were available such as the blackjack/switchblade/brass knuckle type.
Kittens give Morbo gas.
Lighthouse has now said the poll results will not be published.
Makes the whole exercise a bit pointless, in my opinion.
I wouldn't be upset if the devs end up saying "The [name of most voted for] powerset in the poll can't be produced in a feasible timeframe. We're sorry guys, we tried but it's just not going to happen. We remain fully committed to delivering other new powersets to City of Heroes and Villains." But apparently rather than face the *potential* of having to do that, they'd rather hide our own votes from us. :/
So this pretty much says there will be no new powersets in I10. Nail in the coffin for me. I'm out!
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Electric Hammer
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Is it just me, or does this seem strangely specific?
It would be like if they offered us a fire whip, or staff of +1 animal husbandry.
I mean, it's cool and all, but it seems like this would be better as a hammer powerset, then giving us Chance for Electric Damage Melee IO sets.
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So this pretty much says there will be no new powersets in I10. Nail in the coffin for me. I'm out!
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Can i have your stuff? :-P
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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So this pretty much says there will be no new powersets in I10. Nail in the coffin for me. I'm out!
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I'll say this yet again. Play the game because you enjoy it as it is now, not in hopes of some future change.
Heroes
Dysmal
Lumynous
Sam Steele
Pluck
Wile
Slagheap
Pressure Wave
Rhiannon Bel
Verified
Stellaric
Syd Mallorn
Villains
Jotunheim Skald
Saer Maen
Jen Corbae
Illuminance
Venator Arawn
Taiga Dryad
Tarranos
I wouldn't say pointless. They do want to do what's most interesting to help keep or gain customers. Offsetting this is the consideration of difficulty to implement, and a reasoned consideration of what would truly be fun to play. Many people might want XXX, but it might just sound cooler than it actually is.
Personally, I'm dying for the dual wield. Quite frankly, I'd like to see these two offensive sets:
Dual Wield
Big 2-handed sword
"Hey! You knocked generic cola all over your precious D20 books!"
ED: Now I know how Nancy Kerrigan felt: "Why...?!? Why...?!?"
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Lighthouse has now said the poll results will not be published.
Makes the whole exercise a bit pointless, in my opinion.
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Wasn't the point for the devs to get a feel for what we'd want? Publishing it on the other hand, would be pointless without agreeing up front to implement the top selections. Well, unless the point would be to subject themselves to endless abuse for chosing something other than what won the poll. I'm glad to get my input in, even if it differs from the majority, even if they don't go with it.
james_joyce:
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Is it just me, or does [Electric Hammer] seem strangely specific?
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At first I was thinking "OK, hammer, ummm... make the Mace we've got better and you're done, just change the heads out." But I'm guessing they want us to think Norse. Those kind of moves might be nice, maybe getting a lighning rod type strike with it, etc.
But still, you've already got axe and mace that are largely collecting dust. While you're looking, give them a little buffage, sparkle or shine so that in players' eyes they count as sets too?
I'd like to suggest dual fighting sticks. In addition, I'd suggest that they not be a plain stick where it would pigeon hole them into being yet another smash/lethal, and thus highly resisted, set. Instead have them be a "charged" rod to give some energy damage. Perhaps with different attacks, they can deal different elemental damages. Hey, maybe the damage type can be different everytime you pull them out--like how the Phantom Army's ranged attacks' damage type are different with every summon.
The dual fighting sticks can also substitue for both the proposed Energy Blade and Dual Blades. There are already 2 sword sets plus we've already seen the Red Cap's dual blade attacks. Dual fighting sticks would be all new animation.
Teams are the number one killer of soloists.
Energy blade and dual blades are almost a toss up for me. And I think I'd go with force fields for defense.
I chose Dual Blades and the Electric Hammer for attacks and Willpower and Growth for defense.
Vibration would be too similar to Super Reflexes, I think...
Psionic Melee? I wrapped psychic energy around a punch? Why? If I have psychic powers, I want the enemies far, FAR away, and will perforate them with mind bullets accordingly.
Yes... Growth must be very difficult to implement. But it just sounds too damn cool to not vote for it!
Most of the rest I'm more like "Meh."
My Stories
Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
I don't care as long as Scrappers get 'em. And fast-like.
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Electric Hammer
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Is it just me, or does this seem strangely specific?
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Yes. As in, Thor specific.
Heroes
Dysmal
Lumynous
Sam Steele
Pluck
Wile
Slagheap
Pressure Wave
Rhiannon Bel
Verified
Stellaric
Syd Mallorn
Villains
Jotunheim Skald
Saer Maen
Jen Corbae
Illuminance
Venator Arawn
Taiga Dryad
Tarranos
How about doing "evolving" powers for lvl 50's. Like have a bar to fill up like with badges to where u can "evolve" a power to do something else or turn from a single target to a Aoe that would be fun for ppl with 50's i think.
Since you are asking.
Ball and Chain? Is this the wife tier 9 power?
"Oh my godd it's the Ball and Chain..... heroes run in fear...."
Kidding aside....
How about an I4 server, kinda like the test server... we port
are toons over..... and ya never have to deal with the old
school again.
Maybe fix the passives for invul?
Change the forced set slotting on inventions.
Reduce the number of set recipes.
How about some real base numbers in powers discriptions
so new players can make imformed choices.
Guantlet.... change it to something more brute like.
Add some mez protection to PB and WS's human form, or
get rid of the viods, quants and cryst.... scares alot of teammates away.
Let PB's and shades pick their default form....
This Poll.... why is it just on the forums? 88.9% of your player
base never even come here. I realize there are people here
with 10k+ posts and they hold alot of sway with the devs....
but it's those that don't come to the boards that are most effected by what you do.
Now to the poll.
EM/ for scrappers.
Energy Mace/ for scrappers.
Sonic Axe/ for scrappers.
Ice melee/ for scrappers.
Fire melee/ for scrappers.
/Elec armor for scrappers.
/ice armor for scrappers.
DA/ for tanks.
Regen/ for tanks.
Elec armor/ for tanks.
/Elec melee for tanks.
/toxic melee for tanks.
toxic armor/ for tanks.
BC 
OK, I voted, but while I'm all for brand new powersets, what is the big objection to porting over sets that already sit in multiple ATs?
OK you want to leave something unique, but what's the harm in porting over Fire Melee/Armor to Scrappers or Ice or Stone. Likewise, why can't a tank learn Martial Arts?
Finally, let me add my name to the chorus that would gladly pay $50 for a significant expansion that was this fall and had a lot of new stuff for everyone: powersets, costumes, loot, story, etc.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
I have two things to add.
1. This growth could be a good scrapper power but dif then tank. A tank could get real big and whatnot of course but the scrapper application of this could be shrinking. You could adjust your size so that you can dodge attacks better. Kind of like the way Reflexes and ninjitsu work.
2. Have they considered an elastic defensive and offensive powers?
If anyone is wondeing how that would work, i have a possible idea.
Say you are attack, it hits your elastic body having a similair effect as invluner (but less effective) BUT to make up for that you have a chance it recoil. Certain attack that hit you have the chance of bouncing back and hitting the sender. (you could have dif types of powers have dif types of backlash ranging from cone shaped to just direct.
You could then also have some powers that make you elastic your body so that you can avoid more attacks. ( this cant be used at the same time as the invluner-like powers)
As for elastic melee it could work as a super strength(less powerful perhaps) but works almost long range. Not SUPER long range but perhaps not short range... a meduim range if you will. Certain punch attacks and kicking attacks.
Thats my idea for anther power set that i didnt see in this list so i dont know if its just not popular or if noone has posted it (i doubt that) or if people think itll be too weak or too powerful.
Ok, here's what I voted for:
Electric Hammer - Face it; This set would be a blast. Sure, it seems a little obvious that its inspired by Thor, but it would do massive damage and include some pretty awesome FX. It can work for other types of characters, too, such as knights, barbarians, ect.
Psionic Weaponry - This set would could potentially combine many of the other listed choices into one set. A different type of weapon composed of psychic energy could be used for each attack, too. This offers a lot of variety. Perhaps with a more basic color scheme (such as a blue or white effect) it could be used to simulate other powers like 'soul energy' or 'hard light'.
Density Control - This set would be VERY interesting. It offers a chance for cool offensive and defensive power buffs that could be combined with any other melee primary. Imagine being able to disrupt electrical-based villains by decreasing your density, or doing a dose of extra damage by increasing your density. Phasing through attacks, much like the power pool set, could be included as a bonus.
Shield Defense - This could be combined with any other primary scrapper ability for a variety of choices. It could even feature an offensive shield attack or two. But really, a shield is a defensive weapon, which makes choosing it as a defensive power more sensible. I wonder if a choice in shield design could be made available, such as ancient, riot control, contemporary steel, or energy designs. Perhaps, though I'm not sure what this entails.
duel swords are important. they should a top choice. and we need more weapons like electric hammer as well as ball and chain. more choices are over due. ninja combos like sand of mur and spin kick need to be combined. (longer combos) we also need more to look forward to as a level 50 like a new breed of being spawned from peacebringers and warshade as a son or daughter breed. there are missing capes as well. something similar to Mistero or Glatiator's cape with the collars pointed. and a hood cape allowed over the head. wrist bands thin to thick but over the bicep. leather strap around and hanging down from the bicep. Also, shorts but spandex. even jean shorts half way down the thy and also too and past the knee options. also a womens one peice bathing suit in variation to the neck in a collar in full sleeve, short sleeve to tank top. girls need vest and men need more vest like naruto vest with pockets for weapons like ninja stars. Plus More animal faces. A boars head with and without tusks. one tusk. two tusk and one broken. rabit tail. you have ears and no tail. we have one cat set-up through make-up but no real cat, tiger, panther, cheeta and lion's head. now that we have wings we need bird heads! and bodies. next are Animal Sprits. like orchid from killer instinc. transforming for a sec to give an animal attack. Spinning doubble Sword attack and combos. and when are we going to get water as a bracket? Tanks could be big animals like a bear's head. you talk about sheild fighting. what about an umbrulla as a weapon for the girls. it can be a sheild and swong as a sword like samari showdown. a metal umbrulla. so they can look pretty in the shade possing under there umbrella. you can make umbralla emotes.
I love some of the ideas for the new powersets. But there's something bigger(and probably harder) that I'd rather see, and that's the ability to customize how a power looks.
For example, the ability to pick the size of your katana, or the number/shape/length of your claws, or the color of the flames my fire aura gives off, etc.
I would assume this would take a ton of resources, but man it'd be cool. And in my opinion you simply cannot do shields and have everyone using the same shield. Just wouldn't fit.
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I'd rather pay for the box and get more stuff.
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Amen. 1000 times.
However, I think that entire box / free stuff switcharoo was purely a marketing ruse. If they could have had that stuff ready for a box 6+ months ago, how can it be taking so long to do it now? Has always sounded bogus to me. *shrug*