Gauntlet and Taunt Auras don't work on AVs anymore
By
Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2006-10-15 21:38 in Tankers
I was thinking more in the line of damage simply vanishing, percentage increasing with the ammount of allies in range.
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My fix for Tankers is roughly similar in concept as my fix for Blasters. Fix certain powers in each set.
For example the INV passives and the -DEF in UY, increase the healing value for Healing Flames, put knockback protection in Plasma Shield, give Burn a ratio on it's fear effect (a compromise between two Cryptic positions), get rid of Hibernation and ROTP for a real tier 9 defense, give Clobber the damage that Cleave can do, replace Frozen Aura with Ice Sword Circle, for example. And of course do something about the current AV/GM Taunt situation. 
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Clobber would have to go all the way to Knockout Blow damage for War Mace to be competative. Upping it to Cleave level would be insufficient. Upping the BI to 9.8 would make the set pretty much comparable to Battle Axe.
I agree with the rest of the suggestions, though since it has been stated that fire won't be getting knockback protection, you're probably dreaming too hard. I can see passives getting some buffs since Castle did mention they saw a problem with passives in general (and the bonus Super Reflexes got in the passives may set a precedent).
Too many alts to list.
I thought about bodyguard before, but I thought of it like this.
If any baddie targets the tank with an aoe, there is no aoe (only a direct attack to the tank).
A good reason for us to do our jobs, and protect the team.
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My fix for Tankers is roughly similar in concept as my fix for Blasters. Fix certain powers in each set.
For example the INV passives and the -DEF in UY, increase the healing value for Healing Flames, put knockback protection in Plasma Shield, give Burn a ratio on it's fear effect (a compromise between two Cryptic positions), get rid of Hibernation and ROTP for a real tier 9 defense, give Clobber the damage that Cleave can do, replace Frozen Aura with Ice Sword Circle, for example. And of course do something about the current AV/GM Taunt situation.
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Hmph. Like *logic* will get you anywhere. 
We all know the real solution to any AT problem is to paper over any flaws with an inherent power and some pool powers. 
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I thought about bodyguard before, but I thought of it like this.
If any baddie targets the tank with an aoe, there is no aoe (only a direct attack to the tank).
A good reason for us to do our jobs, and protect the team.
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My only issue with this is you'll see more tanks taunting while standing with the rest of the team. Right now the AOE splash damage deters this kind of behaviour. IMO there is a good reason for teams to be spread out (it makes things more dynamic in regards to buffs, etc). Having the team able to stand in a clump with no fear of AOEs would be problematic. Perhaps allowing the tank to reduce the AOE damage by a percentage, but not any resulting status effects, would make this more balanced.
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but not any resulting status effects
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reduction to the overwhelming abundance of status effects in this game is past due, and anything that is done to reduce the frequency of "squishies" being hit by an AE knockback or AE sleep would be wonderful. So, it won't happen.
As a big fan of Air Superiority I guess that explains why I've not had much trouble with losing AV aggro.
Still a stupid situation for tankers to be in and I hope it is rectified* soon.
*No Devs, "rectified" does NOT mean stopping pool powers from aggroing AVs.
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If they work a bodyguard inherent I think it would have to vary by the Armor. Anyone in the tankers bodyguard radius gets the following.
Inv: S/L def I'd go with 15% + 5% def
Stone: 10% all + Slow protection
Fire: 10% S/L + 40% Fire
Ice: 7.5% def + Status protections
Never happen but what the hell sounds good.
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Yep. Never happen but sounds good!
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I just had an Invul Scrapper's Invincibility aura take the aggro of Vandal away from my Ice Tanker. Looks like either respec time for my level 27 Ice to get Taunt finally. I wish I didn't remember when Tankers were not required to take Taunt to tank an AV.
"I never said thank you." - Lt. Gordon
"And you'll never have to." - the Dark Knight
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I just had an Invul Scrapper's Invincibility aura take the aggro of Vandal away from my Ice Tanker. Looks like either respec time for my level 27 Ice to get Taunt finally. I wish I didn't remember when Tankers were not required to take Taunt to tank an AV.
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I would point and laugh, but I am just too saddened to hear of a scrappers aura taking agro away from a tanks aura, especially CE. 
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I just had an Invul Scrapper's Invincibility aura take the aggro of Vandal away from my Ice Tanker. Looks like either respec time for my level 27 Ice to get Taunt finally. I wish I didn't remember when Tankers were not required to take Taunt to tank an AV.
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I would point and laugh, but I am just too saddened to hear of a scrappers aura taking agro away from a tanks aura, especially CE.
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I used to do this in issue 2-3 all the time.
I'd say "Use provoke or taunt" and the tanker would say "But I have invincibility!" and I'd say "Just trust me" and they wouldn't, and I'd get aggro from the tanker.
Really annoying.
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During my recent work break, I missed this.
And I am now really really annoyed. Talk about stupid, nonsenesical, and buggy changes. I have reached Tanker Frustration Level Extreme Red Max . . . where I take a loooong break from all my Tankers, because, honestly, what is the point of playing them? :P
Glad my TA/A Defender is actually fun.
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During my recent work break, I missed this.
And I am now really really annoyed. Talk about stupid, nonsenesical, and buggy changes. I have reached Tanker Frustration Level Extreme Red Max . . . where I take a loooong break from all my Tankers, because, honestly, what is the point of playing them? :P
Glad my TA/A Defender is actually fun.
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Yeah, I know how you feel. I am playing an Ill/Rad troller that is a lot of fun. \^.^/
As someone who plays entirely concept characters, I hate this. Does Superman taunt his foes? No! In fact, most of the class heros archtypes that 'taunt' are anything but tanks. In fact I can only think of one right off the top of my head.
So, why should they make it to where a major advantage of an entire AT is to take the damage completely useless in a team?
Especially since they are trying to encourage teaming over soloing with the changes to AVs in the first place.
Beh - Cryptic needs to remember that there are other games out there. They upset enough players, all the wings and other sparklies will not keep them.
Cryptic needs to remember that this is supposed to be a comic book game, and not EQ in tights.
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I just had an Invul Scrapper's Invincibility aura take the aggro of Vandal away from my Ice Tanker. Looks like either respec time for my level 27 Ice to get Taunt finally. I wish I didn't remember when Tankers were not required to take Taunt to tank an AV.
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I would point and laugh, but I am just too saddened to hear of a scrappers aura taking agro away from a tanks aura, especially CE.
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I used to do this in issue 2-3 all the time.
I'd say "Use provoke or taunt" and the tanker would say "But I have invincibility!" and I'd say "Just trust me" and they wouldn't, and I'd get aggro from the tanker.
Really annoying.
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Prior to this point, Kali, the only way I could ever take aggro from an Ice tanker was by using Taunt. The fact that a Scrapper can take AV aggro from an Ice tanker with Invincibility is appalling. 
"I never said thank you." - Lt. Gordon
"And you'll never have to." - the Dark Knight
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Cryptic needs to remember that this is supposed to be a comic book game, and not EQ in tights.
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Then that means they should trash all taunt mechanics (even Gauntlet if you insist to think its not taunt) off the window.
That is a trollie thing to say Starman because you have been around long enought to know Foo's argument on this.
Thing is, I'm serious.
It's not an attack or a joke, if the devs want this to be a super hero game they have to redesign a lot as it has never truly been one.
As long as there is taunting in the game this will never be more than EQ in tights.
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Thing is, I'm serious.
It's not an attack or a joke, if the devs want this to be a super hero game they have to redesign a lot as it has never truly been one.
As long as there is taunting in the game this will never be more than EQ in tights.
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Taunt? How about AT's?..... 
Technically, the concept of ATs can survive a change of vision, but the way they are designed may change a bit. CoV ATs were actually designed under such vision.
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I just had an Invul Scrapper's Invincibility aura take the aggro of Vandal away from my Ice Tanker. Looks like either respec time for my level 27 Ice to get Taunt finally. I wish I didn't remember when Tankers were not required to take Taunt to tank an AV.
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I would point and laugh, but I am just too saddened to hear of a scrappers aura taking agro away from a tanks aura, especially CE.
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I used to do this in issue 2-3 all the time.
I'd say "Use provoke or taunt" and the tanker would say "But I have invincibility!" and I'd say "Just trust me" and they wouldn't, and I'd get aggro from the tanker.
Really annoying.
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Prior to this point, Kali, the only way I could ever take aggro from an Ice tanker was by using Taunt. The fact that a Scrapper can take AV aggro from an Ice tanker with Invincibility is appalling.
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Well, this was in issue 2, and it wasn't an Ice Tanker with Invincibility.
It never happened in BOSS, if that helps.
So, your scrapper has pulled aggro from an ice tanker using CE recently?
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Cryptic needs to remember that this is supposed to be a comic book game, and not EQ in tights.
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Then that means they should trash all taunt mechanics (even Gauntlet if you insist to think its not taunt) off the window.
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*hands out Circeus™-brand kewpie doll*
My point exactly.
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Cryptic needs to remember that this is supposed to be a comic book game, and not EQ in tights.
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Then that means they should trash all taunt mechanics (even Gauntlet if you insist to think its not taunt) off the window.
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*hands out Circeus™-brand kewpie doll*
My point exactly.
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Bah! I wanted an Iron Vixen's!!!
If they work a bodyguard inherent I think it would have to vary by the Armor. Anyone in the tankers bodyguard radius gets the following.
Inv: S/L def I'd go with 15% + 5% def
Stone: 10% all + Slow protection
Fire: 10% S/L + 40% Fire
Ice: 7.5% def + Status protections
Never happen but what the hell sounds good.
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