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I said I'm reserving judgement, not that the Devs can have my babies.
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Being locked into a pool is just like being locked in to powers in this case. Make any excuse you want, but they messed up on this one - that's not up for argument as far as I'm concerned.
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I must say, congrats on making this thread the whiniest, most argumentive thread since capes were announced as being unlocked at 20.
The people yelling at Awry because of grammer... the people freaking out about powers we don't even know about yet... the people like Revolver here screaming their heads off about their opinion and then stomping their feet when people disagree with their off-the-mark first reactions.
It's exactly like people flipping out about capes. Or flipping out at the thought of having to hit level 50 to unlock Kheldians.
You would think that some of the people in this thread would learn to have patience and see how things actually pan out instead of acting like a 3 year old at the drop of some preview info.
You would be wrong, though.
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Sorry Taser, but being one of the biggest Dev fanboys around makes your opinion mean very little to me. Grats.
I guess it's forbidden that someone actually disagree with something that's obviously based on bad design, bad foresight, and bad decision making.
I've got some nerve.
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I said I'm reserving judgement, not that the Devs can have my babies.
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Like I said, I'm not surprised.
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Sorry Taser, but being one of the biggest Dev fanboys around makes your opinion mean very little to me. Grats.
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Notice I said nothing about being pro or against perm patron powers.
I am against people panicking at the drop of a hate for attention like you are doing here.
You really dropped the ball on this one, Revolver. You have proven my point: that we're regressing. That, given a tiny bit of information, anyone on this forum will freak out as if it's the end of the world. And you did. Just like everyone flipping out about capes at level 20.
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Oh and in beta you USED to be able to change AT's through the Terra Volta trial. So the tech is in place to change patron powers. Just like the tech is available to do name changes, etc.
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Actually that was the original, on-paper, plan for Terra Volta. The Strategy Guide went off the on-paper plan and said that is the end result of the trial. Thus there is no "tech in place" for this. The Terra Volta trial was not in the COH beta, it was issue 2, I believe, that it made its debut. Changing ATs has never been in the game, it was never programmed.
Hopefully that clears that up.
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Like I said, I'm not surprised.
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Anyone who disagrees with Revolver is a fanboi!!1111
OMG, THE DEVZ R RUINENG THIS GAME! EVERY1 QUIT FOR WOW! BAD GAME DESIGN!11111
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Taser and Revolver, could you take your argument to PMs? We don't really need yet another thread derailed into the usual back and forth that always happens.
Just a request is all.
Eh, I've made my point.
It's Revolver's soapbox from now on where he can armchair game design all he wants.
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Notice I said nothing about being pro or against perm patron powers.
I am against people panicking at the drop of a hate for attention like you are doing here.
You really dropped the ball on this one, Revolver. You have proven my point: that we're regressing. That, given a tiny bit of information, anyone on this forum will freak out as if it's the end of the world. And you did. Just like everyone flipping out about capes at level 20.
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It's not a freak out about a tiny bit of information. We can't change an epic pool - that's pretty major no matter how you slice it.
Comparing this to capes just shows you don't realize how big of deal this is. Unlocking capes at lvl20 is a minor inconvenience for some people, not being able to spec out of an epic pool is far more than that.
And btw, I've always thought you were a fanboy, which is why I usually don't even bother commenting on anything you have to say.
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It's not a freak out about a tiny bit of information. We can't change an epic pool - that's pretty major no matter how you slice it.
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We can't change a primary or a secondary, either. It looks like you're assuming these Patron Power Pools will be comparable to the CoH epic pools, i.e. a narrow and very limited set of choices. We don't know that. So far, we know next to nothing about them.
You're complaining about being locked into something that you don't even know what it is. Isn't that a little premature?
Hmm, maybe this means that the patron powers won't take up powerslots like regular powers, if you aren't able to respec.
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It's not a freak out about a tiny bit of information. We can't change an epic pool - that's pretty major no matter how you slice it.
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We can't change a primary or a secondary, either. It looks like you're assuming these Patron Power Pools will be comparable to the CoH epic pools, i.e. a narrow and very limited set of choices. We don't know that. So far, we know next to nothing about them.
You're complaining about being locked into something that you don't even know what it is. Isn't that a little premature?
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No matter how many powers are in the set, you're still locked in - that's the point. If you choose Scorpion then down the line you want to switch over to Ghost Widow you can't. Based on the way this game operates, with changes to powers coming extremely often this is just bad design - whether you'd like to admit it or not.
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Hard numbers or not, we're permanently locked into power choices - that's not exceptable.
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I don't think so. We're permanently locked into POOL choices, not power choices. It's like being unable to change your primary and secondary, but able to change the powers within them. Of course, I could be wrong here.
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Being locked into a pool is just like being locked in to powers in this case. Make any excuse you want, but they messed up on this one - that's not up for argument as far as I'm concerned.
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We don't know enough yet. There may be enough power choices in each set to work into almost every possible combination.
Don't know. Posi just confirmed they are truly permanent. That's all he confirmed.
If patron powers are to be made permanent, then there should be some code put in to allow you to regress to level 40. This would make it painful, but a lot less painful than rerolling the toon if you did make a mistake. Admittedly many of my toons if I did make this mistake could simply select non patron powers instead and not be too disadvantaged by this.
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Napalm Natasha 40 fire/dark corruptor Protector
Your ex from hell 40 EM/invul brute
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No matter how many powers are in the set, you're still locked in - that's the point. If you choose Scorpion then down the line you want to switch over to Ghost Widow you can't.
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Much like how you can't switch from fire control to ice control down the line. Gotcha.
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Individual powers. We still don't know if we'll be able to respec out of and into individual powers within pools. We don't know how many powers are in each pool, either, or how they integrate with advancement in level, or anything like that.
I can see what you're worried about. You don't want to commit to something in case it gets changed later on and you can't undo your choice.
I love this game. I almost never complain. But this time I feel I need to.
Patron choice being permanent? Bad, but perhaps necessary.
Having to chose a patron? Very bad. I'm sorry, but my Mastermind is an evil genius with plans of world-domination and an ego the size of a galaxy. In-character, he would never, NEVER take a patron. From the sound of it, I'm going to have to break character. I want to play an archvillain who's trying to take over, not an apprentice of a bigger villain!
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No matter how many powers are in the set, you're still locked in - that's the point. If you choose Scorpion then down the line you want to switch over to Ghost Widow you can't.
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Much like how you can't switch from fire control to ice control down the line. Gotcha.
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Something you know pick when you start said character, unlike when you get a villain to lvl40 only to now find out you whatever epic you choose you're locked into.
Definitely not the same.
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I can see what you're worried about. You don't want to commit to something in case it gets changed later on and you can't undo your choice.
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Bingo.
I won't even get into the PvP applications this has.
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I love this game. I almost never complain. But this time I feel I need to.
Patron choice being permanent? Bad, but perhaps necessary.
Having to chose a patron? Very bad. I'm sorry, but my Mastermind is an evil genius with plans of world-domination and an ego the size of a galaxy. In-character, he would never, NEVER take a patron. From the sound of it, I'm going to have to break character. I want to play an archvillain who's trying to take over, not an apprentice of a bigger villain!
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You are not forced to do any of the Patron content.
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It'd be awesome if like..you train to level 41 and some thing pops up saying "Urgent Letter from Arbiter suchandsuch" and then this letter pops up for you to read and begin your "journey"
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I love this game. I almost never complain. But this time I feel I need to.
Patron choice being permanent? Bad, but perhaps necessary.
Having to chose a patron? Very bad. I'm sorry, but my Mastermind is an evil genius with plans of world-domination and an ego the size of a galaxy. In-character, he would never, NEVER take a patron. From the sound of it, I'm going to have to break character. I want to play an archvillain who's trying to take over, not an apprentice of a bigger villain!
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You are not forced to do any of the Patron content.
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I don't RP much, as the whole "I don't want a patron, I want to be a badass on my own" doesn't really concern me - but your answer isn't much better.
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No matter how many powers are in the set, you're still locked in - that's the point. If you choose Scorpion then down the line you want to switch over to Ghost Widow you can't.
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Much like how you can't switch from fire control to ice control down the line. Gotcha.
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The Difference:
You can't switch Power Sets.
But by Level 40, you are obviously happy with your current power sets.
If at Level 10 you realize, "I don't like this Power Set"...you can reroll your character. Simply delete and remake them, redo the 10 levels (may take a bit).
If at Level 45 you realize, "I don't like this Patron"...you can reroll. Would you want to repeat the 40+ levels of content with the same Archtype, character, power sets JUST to change your Patron?!
It's a much longer and time-consuming journey. 
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I love this game. I almost never complain. But this time I feel I need to.
Patron choice being permanent? Bad, but perhaps necessary.
Having to chose a patron? Very bad. I'm sorry, but my Mastermind is an evil genius with plans of world-domination and an ego the size of a galaxy. In-character, he would never, NEVER take a patron. From the sound of it, I'm going to have to break character. I want to play an archvillain who's trying to take over, not an apprentice of a bigger villain!
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You are not forced to do any of the Patron content.
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Is there a non-Arachnos patron set?
Edit - Any plans for a betray the patron trial at a later date?
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Uhh, WTH are you talking about. The Terra Volta Trial wasn't in CoH beta, it came in Issue 2.
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Patron Powers are truly permanent. This powerset, once chosen, is as much a part of your character as your Name, Primary Powerset, Secondary Powerset, Body Type, and Origin.
There is currently no way for us to let you re-spec out of them and into a different one. This is because it is tied to specific content for that Patron.
Because of this, hard numbers are given, in-game, about the powers and what they do before you even choose which arc you wish to partake (and will most likely be available on the website as well).
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This is how I am reading this. Please correct me if I'm off base :
Once you pick your Patron, you're locked into that Patron.
Now, each Patron has N powersets to choose from. Once you choose that powerset from your Patron, you're locked into that powerset.
Now, if the above two points are true, does that mean that individual powers within that powerset are Respec-able?
That's how I'm reading it but would love it clarified.
Thanks Posi.
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Hard numbers for patron powers are good.
Hard numbers for ALL powers is better.
Not wading into the debate on the permanent nature of the patron powers except to express some concern over the precedent it sets.
Someone mentioned that in beta you could respec your AT in the Terra Volta trial. The beta didn't even have a Terra Volta trial. Respecs weren't offered until Issue 2, over four months after the game shipped and have never allowed you to change your AT.