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Actually it's not the same now that I remember what MoG is like. MoG drops your hitpoints all the way down and you have a small amount to keep you alive while it's on. You're tougher and all, but with less HPs. The Ninjitsu Stalker version keeps your HPs full to start and your defenses are high and stamina renews quickly. When it's time is up, your stamina drops to rock bottom and doesn't recover for a few seconds. Is it more like unstoppable or something?
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That's not MoG though, that's Kuji Kin Retsu (I think, stupid Ninjitsu names). The Ninjitsu version is actually much closer to Elude than MoG. The confusion is because Stalkers get Regen, and by extension, they also get MoG.
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If Stormers are so overpowered why don't you play one instead of coming in here with your flamebait?
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Cause I really don't want to be overpowered. If I did, I would have taken the Tough/Weave route with my toon, suped up MoG, etc. I wanted to have some identity to my toon and not be a cookie cutter build.
Out of curiosity, I'm wondering if folks here in this thread think Hurricane would be "fixed" for PvP if it had:
A) Suppression similar to however KB is timered
B) Lower magnitude Repel for Controllers than Defenders
Honestly though, the power I think needs nerfed most in PvP is Vengance. The ability to stack this is ridiculous, and teams built with it in mind are even worse.
Sgt Liberty - 50 Martial Arts / Super Reflexes
Verdigris Eagle - 50 Archery / Energy Manipulation
Stormeye - 50 Storm Summoning / Electric Blast
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Out of curiosity, I'm wondering if folks here in this thread think Hurricane would be "fixed" for PvP if it had:
A) Suppression similar to however KB is timered
B) Lower magnitude Repel for Controllers than Defenders
Honestly though, the power I think needs nerfed most in PvP is Vengance. The ability to stack this is ridiculous, and teams built with it in mind are even worse.
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It probably doesn't attract as much attention because the other guys get to kill someone before it's triggered 
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Out of curiosity, I'm wondering if folks here in this thread think Hurricane would be "fixed" for PvP if it had:
A) Suppression similar to however KB is timered
B) Lower magnitude Repel for Controllers than Defenders
Honestly though, the power I think needs nerfed most in PvP is Vengance. The ability to stack this is ridiculous, and teams built with it in mind are even worse.
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It probably doesn't attract as much attention because the other guys get to kill someone before it's triggered
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Yeah, but the PvP Pros notice it. There's nothing quite as harsh as giving your entire team multiple Fortitudes. It's like having 2 Tier 3 Dmg/Acc/Def insps at all times with a Heal attached at the beginning. It makes +Def and -Acc worthless, while simultaneously requiring hideous +ToHit to combat. I missed every attack in an Aim cycle AND my ENTIRE Freezing Rain (something with 50ish tics with nearly +100% Accuracy Enhancement) to a team that stacked vengance. Hell, Hurricane strafing them only succeeded in annoying them into killing me nearly instantaneously.
Sgt Liberty - 50 Martial Arts / Super Reflexes
Verdigris Eagle - 50 Archery / Energy Manipulation
Stormeye - 50 Storm Summoning / Electric Blast
Well like I said earlier... PvP pros tend to adapt and deal (even if only by rebuilding into the power themselves), people who start nerf threads tend to do it because they aren't willing to adapt, or aren't willing to put the time and effort into learning how to adapt.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."
First, I want to apologize to the forum for my glib reply reguarding Artic Air over Hurricane. I was following Dev Digest and thought this was a general Hurricane thread. I did not realize this thread was in the Defenders forum. So, again mea culpa.
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At the height of my Kat/Regens power (read: able to tank Hami) giant monsters were not soloable for me. Nerfs to Regen after issue 4's release were in direct response to PvP issues. not PvE.
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Did you forget Divine Avalache or something? That single power provides as much relative -acc as five DM/ attacks.
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Actually I didn't have it. Until L35 and the first time I respec'd I had all nine primary powers. In order to have more reliable and consistant defence, I dropped it and two others from my primary in favor of the fighting line. It was ether that or Flashing Steel, and FS is a cone attack. I opted for doing more damage to more mobs. Dark and spines each have more than one attack that adds to defense. A single attack can miss. Five attacks missing is a rarity. (although not an impossibility).
I still stand by my second statement however. In issue 4 on teams I died no more than any other teammate. Since issue 5, I am the weakest link. And frankly I'm tired of running to test repeccing several times, only to be nerfed again for another round of respecs. (issues 3, 4, 5 and 6 plus a special mid-issue Regen only nerf in there somewhere)
To say 'well it fixed a hole in PvE' is disingenuous at best. The 'holes' only become a problem when they affect PvP play.
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Before the fixes to AI between i5 and i6, ANY enemy that could see you, inside a mission, would follow you until you zoned, died, or went from floor to floor. My Storm/Elec used Phase Shift a couple times to get through missions, and when he got to the end, it was quite common to have a few million enemies surrounding him.
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Ok, thinking on it (I had PS on one toon only and not for long) I did have invis and superspeed on. That may be why I never encountered that mob behavior. They always wandered away eventually for me.
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Wrong.. Cause obviously you read things I posted and construe your own version of them which is nothing that I said. You don't want to be nerfed because you like having a power that is over powered and are happy playing it. As I've said before, MoG was overpowered, BUT had the ability to be beaten with a team, insperations, "the right powers", etc etc. Same things people have "suggested" to me about overcoming hurricane. Yesterday there were about 10 of us in SC in a circle around a Hurricane person trying to take them out. Eventually they fell, like what would happen with MoG if they "had the right team". 10 people shouldn't be needed to take out any one AT and especially ONE power. That's the problem. Call me what you want, I understand you like you're toon unnerfed, who doesn't. But Hurricane needs to be "fixed". Much love... Me.
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Wow. That had nothing to do with the post you quoted.
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Incidentally, your post really did, literally, have nothing to do with the post you quoted. Just pointing that out while you rail me for being irrational.
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You know, I think you're right. Thinking about it, people with hover have an unfair advantage, too. When they're using hover, my meleers can't get anywher near them. I mean, sure I could respec and take hover, or superjump, but hover sucks because I don't like it for some arbitrary reason! I shouldn't have to change my build to counter someone else's power!
Do you realize how absurd your arguments are? How weak your rationale is? Are you concious of this fact? Are you, in fact, lying and exaggerating to justify your continued argument? I begin to suspect you are. Because there is no acknowledgement of reality in your words.
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We'll see how weak my rationale is if the devs nerf hurricane. Then I guess it will be my fault that it happened.. Sure. Ok. Given the fact one of your own started this thread and was like "Nerf On the Horizon?" about Hurricane I think
that clearly shows there are more then me aware or complaining about it being overpowered and it may be next to be nerfed whether you like it or not. If it's nerfed, go scream at devs and use your rationale to them and see if they listen or not.
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If the devs see fit to nerf Hurricane, I'll see what their reason is and If it seems sound, I'll accept it. I can guarantee it won't be your fault, however, because I tend to doubt your arguments are sound enough to influence them. Especially since many of those arguments boil down to "I don't wanna!". Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that whatever changes come down the wire, they certainly won't be in the vein of turning the power into a MOG-style situational click.
Let's clarify something, however. The person who started this thread is not "One of my own". Believe it or not, my main is a regen scrapper. Had her since launch, still love playing her. I have one defender, and he's archery/trick arrow. I -team- with a stormie, but I am not especially loyal to the defender camp. I came here following the dev digest, and got involved because I dislike seeing people like you try to change history with your words.
Maybe you should wait until you know someone's motivations (or, and I know this can be challenging, but read their posts) before making ignorant leaps to erroneous conclusions.
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You mean like you've been accusing them of doing about regen since I got involved in this thread?
You are, at best, carefully selecting "truths" that adhere to your limited perspective, and deliberately ignoring the larger picture to further your vendetta. That is, in my opinion, every bit as dishonest as a bald-faced lie. If you're not lying to us, you're lying to yourself. As far as you're concerned, You're already right, and while you will adopt -any- evidence you can find to support your perspective, you ignore -any- evidence that contradicts it. It's called confirmation bias, and any reasonably intelligent person can see it permeating your arguments. Even the people who agree that hurricane should be nerfed don't agree with your perspective or attitude.
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Given their track record, I'm sure they'll fumble up something they say in regards to a nerf like they've done in the past. I'll save my responses from now on to the whiners who don't like change, but at LEAST can respond maturely. Peash.
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Yes, and this little barb was certainly the epitome of rational debate.
Fact: No single AT is always going to be balanced against another single AT. This means some are going to be weak against melee, some are weak against ranged. This means that there are ALWAYS going to be situations where your build is going to be less then effective.
Your answer to this fact: None.
Fact: Changing Hurricane to a click, as a concept, while perhaps balancing in PVP, -severely- inhibits this power in Pv-E-, which is a significantly larger portion of the game. While the devs have conceded more then once that sometimes it's nessecary to change PvE aspects to balance PvP, it is not the -priority-, and thus odds are that one of the other suggestions in this thread would be a fairer balance between the conflicting ideals. Your other suggestion, having stormies float around uncontrollably while hurricane is on, would be so utterly damaging to the player's ability to control their character that I find it hard to believe that it wasn't said out of personal bitterness.
Your answer: But they nerfed IH and MOG for PvP reasons!
Which brings us to....
Fact: IH and MoG were not changed exclusively for PvP concerns. I'll concede that PvP may have played a role in some of the changes, but as I and others have pointed out, Regen scrappers were absurdly overpowered in PvE as well, which is -not- something you can say about Storm defenders.
Your answer: Stormies whined about us, so I should be able to whine about them!
And finally...
Fact: PvP and PvE are two significantly different styles of play. You cannot take a PvE build into a PvP zone and expect to compete against dedicated PvP teams. You must be willing to alter your tactics, team balance, and possibly even your build if you want to be seriously competetive. If you don't -care- about being seriously competetive, you should not be complaining about the fact that there are builds you can't topple, because you yourself are limiting your effectiveness -deliberately- in order to favor PvE play. If you want to bring down storm defenders, you can use a variety of powers (temp and pool) to create an opening. You can try to detoggle with brawl. Running hit. You can alter your team structure to try and compensate.
Your answer: I shouldn't have to change my build or strategy to be able to win!
This is what you're saying, man. Does any of this strike -you- as particularly reasonable? Am I really misrepresenting your arguments -so- thoroughly as to completely miss your fundamental arguments? Do I have to literally quote your words back at you?
This is coming form a fellow regen scrapper, man. I'm not a frequent player of the defender AT, I'm an outsider here, just like you are. But even with all that, I can tell, -easily- that you are being unreasonable, bitter, and trollish.
Sorry if that makes you -feel- bad, but it's my honest opinion. This isn't personal to me. I don't give a poot what you can or can't do in PvP. But when you come on these forums and exaggerate, twist truths, and try to misrepresent the past according to your own, plainly skewed, perspective, someone is -always- going to come in and tell you you're being useless. And that's what your behavior in this thread is. Useless. You want to be useful, check your back pocket and notice that the truth isn't in there, and start trying to think past your immature notions of what's fair and what isn't. Try to think of -other- ways to balance the power. Accept the fact that maybe some of your troubles with storm controllers and defenders are because you're not really -all- that serious about being a serious menace in PvP. Stop asking for an "I win" button and try to work out strategies and compromises.
Above all else, stop acting like an antigonistic perspective is inherently immature and meaningless. I disagree with you -strongly- on many points. That does not mean I'm being childish, it means I think you're fracking -wrong-.
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Wrong.. Cause obviously you read things I posted and construe your own version of them which is nothing that I said. You don't want to be nerfed because you like having a power that is over powered and are happy playing it. As I've said before, MoG was overpowered, BUT had the ability to be beaten with a team, insperations, "the right powers", etc etc. Same things people have "suggested" to me about overcoming hurricane. Yesterday there were about 10 of us in SC in a circle around a Hurricane person trying to take them out. Eventually they fell, like what would happen with MoG if they "had the right team". 10 people shouldn't be needed to take out any one AT and especially ONE power. That's the problem. Call me what you want, I understand you like you're toon unnerfed, who doesn't. But Hurricane needs to be "fixed". Much love... Me.
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Wow. That had nothing to do with the post you quoted.
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Incidentally, your post really did, literally, have nothing to do with the post you quoted. Just pointing that out while you rail me for being irrational.
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You know, I think you're right. Thinking about it, people with hover have an unfair advantage, too. When they're using hover, my meleers can't get anywher near them. I mean, sure I could respec and take hover, or superjump, but hover sucks because I don't like it for some arbitrary reason! I shouldn't have to change my build to counter someone else's power!
Do you realize how absurd your arguments are? How weak your rationale is? Are you concious of this fact? Are you, in fact, lying and exaggerating to justify your continued argument? I begin to suspect you are. Because there is no acknowledgement of reality in your words.
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We'll see how weak my rationale is if the devs nerf hurricane. Then I guess it will be my fault that it happened.. Sure. Ok. Given the fact one of your own started this thread and was like "Nerf On the Horizon?" about Hurricane I think
that clearly shows there are more then me aware or complaining about it being overpowered and it may be next to be nerfed whether you like it or not. If it's nerfed, go scream at devs and use your rationale to them and see if they listen or not.
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If the devs see fit to nerf Hurricane, I'll see what their reason is and If it seems sound, I'll accept it. I can guarantee it won't be your fault, however, because I tend to doubt your arguments are sound enough to influence them. Especially since many of those arguments boil down to "I don't wanna!". Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that whatever changes come down the wire, they certainly won't be in the vein of turning the power into a MOG-style situational click.
Let's clarify something, however. The person who started this thread is not "One of my own". Believe it or not, my main is a regen scrapper. Had her since launch, still love playing her. I have one defender, and he's archery/trick arrow. I -team- with a stormie, but I am not especially loyal to the defender camp. I came here following the dev digest, and got involved because I dislike seeing people like you try to change history with your words.
Maybe you should wait until you know someone's motivations (or, and I know this can be challenging, but read their posts) before making ignorant leaps to erroneous conclusions.
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You mean like you've been accusing them of doing about regen since I got involved in this thread?
You are, at best, carefully selecting "truths" that adhere to your limited perspective, and deliberately ignoring the larger picture to further your vendetta. That is, in my opinion, every bit as dishonest as a bald-faced lie. If you're not lying to us, you're lying to yourself. As far as you're concerned, You're already right, and while you will adopt -any- evidence you can find to support your perspective, you ignore -any- evidence that contradicts it. It's called confirmation bias, and any reasonably intelligent person can see it permeating your arguments. Even the people who agree that hurricane should be nerfed don't agree with your perspective or attitude.
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Given their track record, I'm sure they'll fumble up something they say in regards to a nerf like they've done in the past. I'll save my responses from now on to the whiners who don't like change, but at LEAST can respond maturely. Peash.
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Yes, and this little barb was certainly the epitome of rational debate.
Fact: No single AT is always going to be balanced against another single AT. This means some are going to be weak against melee, some are weak against ranged. This means that there are ALWAYS going to be situations where your build is going to be less then effective.
Your answer to this fact: None.
Fact: Changing Hurricane to a click, as a concept, while perhaps balancing in PVP, -severely- inhibits this power in Pv-E-, which is a significantly larger portion of the game. While the devs have conceded more then once that sometimes it's nessecary to change PvE aspects to balance PvP, it is not the -priority-, and thus odds are that one of the other suggestions in this thread would be a fairer balance between the conflicting ideals. Your other suggestion, having stormies float around uncontrollably while hurricane is on, would be so utterly damaging to the player's ability to control their character that I find it hard to believe that it wasn't said out of personal bitterness.
Your answer: But they nerfed IH and MOG for PvP reasons!
Which brings us to....
Fact: IH and MoG were not changed exclusively for PvP concerns. I'll concede that PvP may have played a role in some of the changes, but as I and others have pointed out, Regen scrappers were absurdly overpowered in PvE as well, which is -not- something you can say about Storm defenders.
Your answer: Stormies whined about us, so I should be able to whine about them!
And finally...
Fact: PvP and PvE are two significantly different styles of play. You cannot take a PvE build into a PvP zone and expect to compete against dedicated PvP teams. You must be willing to alter your tactics, team balance, and possibly even your build if you want to be seriously competetive. If you don't -care- about being seriously competetive, you should not be complaining about the fact that there are builds you can't topple, because you yourself are limiting your effectiveness -deliberately- in order to favor PvE play. If you want to bring down storm defenders, you can use a variety of powers (temp and pool) to create an opening. You can try to detoggle with brawl. Running hit. You can alter your team structure to try and compensate.
Your answer: I shouldn't have to change my build or strategy to be able to win!
This is what you're saying, man. Does any of this strike -you- as particularly reasonable? Am I really misrepresenting your arguments -so- thoroughly as to completely miss your fundamental arguments? Do I have to literally quote your words back at you?
This is coming form a fellow regen scrapper, man. I'm not a frequent player of the defender AT, I'm an outsider here, just like you are. But even with all that, I can tell, -easily- that you are being unreasonable, bitter, and trollish.
Sorry if that makes you -feel- bad, but it's my honest opinion. This isn't personal to me. I don't give a poot what you can or can't do in PvP. But when you come on these forums and exaggerate, twist truths, and try to misrepresent the past according to your own, plainly skewed, perspective, someone is -always- going to come in and tell you you're being useless. And that's what your behavior in this thread is. Useless. You want to be useful, check your back pocket and notice that the truth isn't in there, and start trying to think past your immature notions of what's fair and what isn't. Try to think of -other- ways to balance the power. Accept the fact that maybe some of your troubles with storm controllers and defenders are because you're not really -all- that serious about being a serious menace in PvP. Stop asking for an "I win" button and try to work out strategies and compromises.
Above all else, stop acting like an antigonistic perspective is inherently immature and meaningless. I disagree with you -strongly- on many points. That does not mean I'm being childish, it means I think you're fracking -wrong-.
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I skipped through most of what you wrote because the responses you gave were filled with a bunch of combative remarks about your insistence about what you THINK I meant by my posts and the facts of what "I" really meant by my posts and fully explained and you continue to accuse me of being bitter about Regen nerfs(DOOOOOM). You're so not my ex or something. :-) Nuff said.
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If Stormers are so overpowered why don't you play one instead of coming in here with your flamebait?
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Cause I really don't want to be overpowered. If I did, I would have taken the Tough/Weave route with my toon, suped up MoG, etc. I wanted to have some identity to my toon and not be a cookie cutter build.
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How would taking a Stormer (Either Cont or Def) with Hurricane make you a cookie cutter build? My point is try it, find out what the weaknesses are (and you will!), and then go back to your scrapper and try to exploit them.
There's a nice Sun Tzu quote floating in someone's sig around here that goes roughly "Know yourself and your opponent and and you will win 100 percent of your battles. Know yourself and you will win half your battles, know neither yourself nor your opponent and you will lose all your battles."
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Bwhaahahaaa, I tried using PS for herding like you suggest, and it was about as effective as herding cats ... stuff lost interest way too easy.
Curious about just how hard it was to beat a storm, I dueled a MA/regen scrapper friend (lvl 24) in the arena with my Storm/dark defender (lvl 16). He was dubious about being repelled given that he had knockback resistance; I showed him!
It was a complete stalemate. His travel power is superspeed, no fly or superjumping; even when he tried dropping on me from a balcony the hurricane repelled him away. OTOH, I couldn't do enough damage to him to overcome his regeneration, even with my snipe and Dark Blast 4-slotted for damage (DOs), Hasten going and Freezing Rain dropping on him (which didn't knock him down of course).
After some experimentation, he found that when he charged in with superspeed, he could get close enough to swing at me about 50% of the time. He missed all 3-4 times he tried this, but he only has 1 SO in Accuracy and hasn't taken the mezzing MA attack in any case. His Brawl has no accuracies (we are poor on this server, and its not exactly high priority for a PvE scrapper). If he was a more PvP build with 2 Accuracies and had managed to nail me with a mezz, he would then able to finish me off in ~3 more attacks (tried this by turning hurricane off) generally before I could turn Hurricane on again.
For comparison, I'd tried my rad/rad defender some months back against a very similar scrapper of his, and it was also a draw; he whiffed enough with Rad Infection going that I could heal the remaining damage, but I couldn't out damage his regen.
So overall, I'd say it seems fair. Both scrappers stalemated against both defenders, but with more PvP builds I suspect the scrappers would beat them, since the defenders don't have a lot of options to go *more* PvP at those levels, while the scrappers can add more mezzing attacks and accuracy.
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Hey, Attila, noticed you're trying to link an image in your sig. We can't do that here. You can put the code in (as you have), but they've disabled the functionality of the image tag for the forums.
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Yeah, I noticed. Too bad. Well I'll fix it later, thanks.
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For comparison, I'd tried my rad/rad defender some months back against a very similar scrapper of his, and it was also a draw; he whiffed enough with Rad Infection going that I could heal the remaining damage, but I couldn't out damage his regen.
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You can with Lingering Radiation.
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I skipped through most of what you wrote because the responses you gave were filled with a bunch of combative remarks about your insistence about what you THINK I meant by my posts and the facts of what "I" really meant by my posts and fully explained and you continue to accuse me of being bitter about Regen nerfs(DOOOOOM). You're so not my ex or something. :-) Nuff said.
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I'm sorry. I don't know what could possibly have made me think you were embittered about the regen nerfs. Oh, right, your sig.
Really, I don't need to argue anymore anyway. This post pretty much says it all. You're literally not listening. 
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I think you just disoriented every Defender within miles.
If Stormers are so overpowered why don't you play one instead of coming in here with your flamebait?
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