A Nerf on the Horizon?

Hanged_Man · 02-17-2006 03:34 PM

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Sigh. Have Phase Shift.. Have Recall Friend. Have Fly. Team with people all the time. Have Mog, have to respec to use it cause it's "up there" in levels when I chose it. I know what MoG does. Know my powers...

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Know melee against a power that really doesn't allow melee to be used when it's on all the time.

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If you did team, use travel powers, use tactics, build well for PvP, you wouldn't be annoyed by Hurricane.

Just saying.

Click_Beetle · 02-17-2006 03:34 PM

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Cobra Strike is the power MA Regen's don't take.

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I've never understood this. Why is that?

Anglican · 02-17-2006 03:36 PM

First, nothing in the game has the potential to be as overpowered as a stalker. If you arent the right AT, you dont see them, then dead. Compare to a storm defender, you see them, cant kill them as a melee. however, they cant kill you either. Well, ok. A draw.

So, easy win versus a draw. Not seeing a need to nerf hurricane here.

I have a better idea. Nuke all inspirations in PVP. No break frees (any dom can drop hurricane), no acc, no healing unless in powers, etc. Make people stand on their AT and powers, not who brought the right inspirations.

Last, defenders should make it a pain to kill their team mates (and themselves). Dark defenders are flat out broken in PVP. Storms (and CM from emps) are the only things that make a defender worth inviting into the zone.

Dont nerf storm, bring other defender powers up to their level. Nerf controller defender powers, to the same level as dark control powers (lengthen recharge, reduce effect, lower accuracy/debuff amount, etc). Nuke stalker placate so they have to fight after the AS attempt. There are lots of PVP changes that should happen, this one isnt one of them.

BellaStrega · 02-17-2006 03:41 PM

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You have phase shift. While phased, you can not be repeled, can not have your accuracy debuffed. If you que up a brawl before dephasing, you can easily hit a Stormer. If you actually got one of the better powers in your primary, you could que up a MEZ and instantly detoggle a Stormer.

If you had Teleport, you could port in with an attack qued and have the same thing happen. It's how my Warshade Sunless Mires off Storm Shaman.

There, you can run up and punch a stormer. Happy?

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/bind g "powexec_name brawl$$powexec_toggleoff phase shift"

You'll shut off phase shift and brawl immediately afterward. No discernable pause between actions.

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BellaStrega · 02-17-2006 03:42 PM

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Cobra Strike is the power MA Regen's don't take.

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I've never understood this. Why is that?

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Because they don't like making lieutenants harmless whenever necessary.

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Sgt_Liberty · 02-17-2006 03:45 PM

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Have you tried Stun Grenading the Stormer, or using the EMP glove? I hate to actually interject logic to your nerffest, but last I checked, no solo stormer can get mez protection, and the only self-heal they can get is Life Drain or Aid Self.

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Yes. They don't seem to work for me. I can't range attack, control, or heal others either. I'm not a blaster, controller or defender.

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You're just exagerating Kid. All you need is some speed from a Travel Power and a couple passes with Build Up. Bare minimum, and it will work.

And as an MA Scrapper, you DO have CC, you have Cobra Strike and Eagles' Claw 60% of the time. It's easy enough to punch through with that.

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Cobra Strike is the power MA Regen's don't take. I've tried the run and hit and the perma blow back hasn't allowed it.

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Well it works dude, dunno what to tell you. If you can't be bothered to take what's probably the best PvP power available to Scrappers then I can't help you .

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Stormbringer · 02-17-2006 03:48 PM

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i seriously think that if the devs set the attack range floor to 5 feet (or whatever) everything would be fine.

hurricane would be good, but not overpowered.

ranged aoes could still be used.

melee classes could still use melee attacks.

and the devs could finally get around to allowing hurricane to properly debuff the ranged attacks for melee classes instead of this cheap bandaid-fix we have now.

yes, i'm sick of getting ganked by spines scrappers, what can i say?

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While I did say that a range floor would be a good change, I will only agree to it if lightning storm loses its cheap bandaid toggle droppers...

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i thought this was about hurricane.

start your own thread, dood!

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Hey, I can't respond to cheap shots about cheap bandaids with cheap shots about other cheap bandaids?

Besides, I already had my own thread about this a few months ago. I don't want another one.

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my shot was not cheap.

it was a good, clean shot.

so there!

BellaStrega · 02-17-2006 03:56 PM

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my shot was not cheap.

it was a good, clean shot.

so there!

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Oh, yeah? How much did it cost you?

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Sgt_Liberty · 02-17-2006 04:10 PM

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my shot was not cheap.

it was a good, clean shot.

so there!

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Oh, yeah? How much did it cost you?

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Probably less than he says, I bet he got a dirty glass.

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BellaStrega · 02-17-2006 04:18 PM

For the record:

- Whirlwind needs no nerfs.

- KB Protection is a bit too good in PVP, but that accounts for acrobatics as well as melee status protection. I'm not really in favor of reducing it if I get pinballed around by Council or Nemesis as a consequence. I mean, a filthy Council vampyr knocked me down with shadow punch the other day (misreported in PM to Blueeyed as a spectral daemon, but so many things knock me down any random guess will probably be right).

- Anyone who skips Cobra Strike in MA deserves everything that happens to them in PVP.

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KidQwik · 02-17-2006 04:19 PM

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I think I can sum up his point like this

"Waaaa, Regen got nerfed in the past, I'm too lazy to tailor my build, team and tactics to counter something that presents me a challenge in PvP, and therefore I want that challenge nerfed"

I think Kid might be more comfortable playing an FPS with godmode on. That seems like about the level of thought and effort he wants to expend on facing challenges in PvP here.

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It's more like this..

Storm Controller: "Wahhh, Regen's are too strong! Nerf them so they can't get past Hurricane so easily with perma Mog!"
Regen Scrapper: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

(nerfs occur for the xth time to regen)

Storm Controller: "Yay, now I can beat you!"
Scrapper: ""Hey Devs, Hurricane is too strong now that you're nerfed melee powers to get passed it! Waahh, nerf Hurricane so it's not Perma!!"
Storm Controller: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

Hmm. Deja Vu?

Stormbringer · 02-17-2006 04:32 PM

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my shot was not cheap.

it was a good, clean shot.

so there!

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Oh, yeah? How much did it cost you?

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here!

i've never played a scrapper, but i've just designed one to destroy storm defenders.

use your ranged hold for teh win!

unless a storm defender has mez protection (from someone else), he'll go down like a sack of turds.

if you're fighting a */storm controller, however...well that's another story.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.5.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Selene Daemon PVP (first draft)
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Dark Melee
Secondary: Dark Armor
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01) --> Shadow Punch==> Acc(1)Acc(37)Dmg(37)Dmg(40)Dmg(43)Rechg(46)
01) --> Dark Embrace==> DmgRes(1)DmgRes(31)DmgRes(34)EndRdx(37)
02) --> Smite==> Acc(2)Acc(3)Dmg(3)Dmg(7)Dmg(15)Rechg(21)
04) --> Murky Cloud==> DmgRes(4)DmgRes(5)DmgRes(5)EndRdx(7)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)Jump(9)Jump(9)
10) --> Obsidian Shield==> DmgRes(10)DmgRes(11)DmgRes(11)EndRdx(15)
12) --> Assault==> EndRdx(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)Jump(31)
16) --> Dark Regeneration==> Acc(16)Acc(17)Heal(17)Heal(19)Rechg(19)Rechg(21)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18)
20) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)
24) --> Tactics==> TH_Buf(24)TH_Buf(25)TH_Buf(25)EndRdx(27)
26) --> Hasten==> Rechg(26)Rechg(27)Rechg(29)
28) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(28)Run(29)
30) --> Whirlwind==> EndRdx(30)EndRdx(31)
32) --> Soul Drain==> Acc(32)Acc(33)Rechg(33)Rechg(33)TH_Buf(34)TH_Buf(34)
35) --> Oppressive Gloom==> Acc(35)Acc(36)DisDur(36)DisDur(36)Acc(50)
38) --> Midnight Grasp==> Acc(38)Acc(39)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)Dmg(40)Rechg(40)
41) --> Petrifying Gaze==> Acc(41)Acc(42)Acc(42)Rechg(42)Rechg(43)Rechg(43)
44) --> Dark Blast==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(46)Rechg(46)
47) --> Tenebrous Tentacles==> Acc(47)Acc(48)Acc(48)Immob(48)Immob(50)Rechg(50)
49) --> Cloak Of Darkness==> EndRdx(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
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Sgt_Liberty · 02-17-2006 04:34 PM

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I think I can sum up his point like this

"Waaaa, Regen got nerfed in the past, I'm too lazy to tailor my build, team and tactics to counter something that presents me a challenge in PvP, and therefore I want that challenge nerfed"

I think Kid might be more comfortable playing an FPS with godmode on. That seems like about the level of thought and effort he wants to expend on facing challenges in PvP here.

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It's more like this..

Storm Controller: "Wahhh, Regen's are too strong! Nerf them so they can't get past Hurricane so easily with perma Mog!"
Regen Scrapper: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

(nerfs occur for the xth time to regen)

Storm Controller: "Yay, now I can beat you!"
Scrapper: ""Hey Devs, Hurricane is too strong now that you're nerfed melee powers to get passed it! Waahh, nerf Hurricane so it's not Perma!!"
Storm Controller: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

Hmm. Deja Vu?

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Actually it was more like "Can't hit without a tray full of inspirations (Perma-MoG), can't do enough damage to overcome regeneration (IH), and can't stack holds fast enough to punch through Integration."

None of which is specific to Storm, but generic to Controllers. Which I might also add, this is not the appropriate forum for.

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Stormbringer · 02-17-2006 04:35 PM

wow, that's a lot of toggles.

lemme see if i can whittle that down a bit...

Stormbringer · 02-17-2006 04:41 PM

here...a more end-friendly version (with taunt!)

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.5.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Selene Daemon PVP (second draft)
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Dark Melee
Secondary: Dark Armor
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01) --> Shadow Punch==> Acc(1)Rechg(13)Dmg(13)Acc(37)Dmg(37)Dmg(40)
01) --> Dark Embrace==> DmgRes(1)DmgRes(31)DmgRes(34)EndRdx(37)
02) --> Smite==> Acc(2)Acc(3)Dmg(3)Dmg(7)Dmg(15)Rechg(21)
04) --> Murky Cloud==> DmgRes(4)DmgRes(5)DmgRes(5)EndRdx(7)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)Jump(9)Jump(9)
10) --> Obsidian Shield==> DmgRes(10)DmgRes(11)DmgRes(11)EndRdx(15)
12) --> Assault==> EndRdx(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)Jump(31)
16) --> Dark Regeneration==> Acc(16)Acc(17)Heal(17)Heal(19)Rechg(19)Rechg(21)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)
20) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)
24) --> Tactics==> TH_Buf(24)TH_Buf(25)TH_Buf(25)EndRdx(27)
26) --> Hasten==> Rechg(26)Rechg(27)Rechg(29)
28) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(28)Run(29)
30) --> Confront==> Taunt(30)Taunt(31)Rechg(43)
32) --> Soul Drain==> Acc(32)Acc(33)Rechg(33)Rechg(33)TH_Buf(34)TH_Buf(34)
35) --> Oppressive Gloom==> Acc(35)Acc(36)DisDur(36)DisDur(36)EndRdx(46)Acc(50)
38) --> Midnight Grasp==> Acc(38)Acc(39)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)Dmg(40)Rechg(40)
41) --> Petrifying Gaze==> Acc(41)Acc(42)Hold(42)Hold(42)Rechg(43)Rechg(43)
44) --> Dark Blast==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Rechg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(46)Dmg(46)
47) --> Tenebrous Tentacles==> Acc(47)Acc(48)Immob(48)Immob(48)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)
49) --> Cloak Of Darkness==> EndRdx(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
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BellaStrega · 02-17-2006 04:43 PM

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here!

i've never played a scrapper, but i've just designed one to destroy storm defenders.

use your ranged hold for teh win!

unless a storm defender has mez protection (from someone else), he'll go down like a sack of turds.

if you're fighting a */storm controller, however...well that's another story.

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ick, I hate triple-D scrappers. I've done my time playing one, and body mastery 4tw. I'll live with finding another way to deal with the Hurricane on my Dark/Dark. Besides, Pet Gaze doesn't exist in three of four PVP zones and you won't even fight it in two prior to defection.

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BellaStrega · 02-17-2006 04:44 PM

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wow, that's a lot of toggles.

lemme see if i can whittle that down a bit...

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That's DA.

My DA currently has:

DE, MC, OS, CoD, Death Shroud, Oppressive Gloom, Combat Jumping, Acrobatics, Focused Accuracy

And yes, I can run all nine and still fight.

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Antoinette · 02-17-2006 04:45 PM

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I think I can sum up his point like this

"Waaaa, Regen got nerfed in the past, I'm too lazy to tailor my build, team and tactics to counter something that presents me a challenge in PvP, and therefore I want that challenge nerfed"

I think Kid might be more comfortable playing an FPS with godmode on. That seems like about the level of thought and effort he wants to expend on facing challenges in PvP here.

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It's more like this..

Storm Controller: "Wahhh, Regen's are too strong! Nerf them so they can't get past Hurricane so easily with perma Mog!"
Regen Scrapper: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

(nerfs occur for the xth time to regen)

Storm Controller: "Yay, now I can beat you!"
Scrapper: ""Hey Devs, Hurricane is too strong now that you're nerfed melee powers to get passed it! Waahh, nerf Hurricane so it's not Perma!!"
Storm Controller: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

Hmm. Deja Vu?

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i dont think storm controllers had a problem with regen b3fore. Before they made IH a click, LS was already toggling it off. also with MOG on tornado has auto-hit damage of around 20 each tick.

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KidQwik · 02-17-2006 04:47 PM

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I think I can sum up his point like this

"Waaaa, Regen got nerfed in the past, I'm too lazy to tailor my build, team and tactics to counter something that presents me a challenge in PvP, and therefore I want that challenge nerfed"

I think Kid might be more comfortable playing an FPS with godmode on. That seems like about the level of thought and effort he wants to expend on facing challenges in PvP here.

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It's more like this..

Storm Controller: "Wahhh, Regen's are too strong! Nerf them so they can't get past Hurricane so easily with perma Mog!"
Regen Scrapper: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

(nerfs occur for the xth time to regen)

Storm Controller: "Yay, now I can beat you!"
Scrapper: ""Hey Devs, Hurricane is too strong now that you're nerfed melee powers to get passed it! Waahh, nerf Hurricane so it's not Perma!!"
Storm Controller: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

Hmm. Deja Vu?

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i dont think storm controllers had a problem with regen b3fore. Before they made IH a click, LS was already toggling it off. also with MOG on tornado has auto-hit damage of around 20 each tick.

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Not what I was hearing on test when PvP was first born with the Arena. Lots of complaints about MoG how people it was able to run through everything more or less. And so people whined and it was nerfed. Such is the nature of PvP problems.

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I think I can sum up his point like this

"Waaaa, Regen got nerfed in the past, I'm too lazy to tailor my build, team and tactics to counter something that presents me a challenge in PvP, and therefore I want that challenge nerfed"

I think Kid might be more comfortable playing an FPS with godmode on. That seems like about the level of thought and effort he wants to expend on facing challenges in PvP here.

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It's more like this..

Storm Controller: "Wahhh, Regen's are too strong! Nerf them so they can't get past Hurricane so easily with perma Mog!"
Regen Scrapper: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

(nerfs occur for the xth time to regen)

Storm Controller: "Yay, now I can beat you!"
Scrapper: ""Hey Devs, Hurricane is too strong now that you're nerfed melee powers to get passed it! Waahh, nerf Hurricane so it's not Perma!!"
Storm Controller: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

Hmm. Deja Vu?

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Actually it was more like "Can't hit without a tray full of inspirations (Perma-MoG), can't do enough damage to overcome regeneration (IH), and can't stack holds fast enough to punch through Integration."

None of which is specific to Storm, but generic to Controllers. Which I might also add, this is not the appropriate forum for.

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I'm Hami-Oed out, have Stamina, QR, Int, and IH in use in Siren's Call. What are insperations I stack up on? Purples, Greens, and a few blues. All the the things I'm supposed to need the least since I'm a Regen scrapper supposedly. That's how uber I'm not even with those supposedly "unfair" powers.

Stormbringer · 02-17-2006 04:50 PM

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here!

i've never played a scrapper, but i've just designed one to destroy storm defenders.

use your ranged hold for teh win!

unless a storm defender has mez protection (from someone else), he'll go down like a sack of turds.

if you're fighting a */storm controller, however...well that's another story.

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ick, I hate triple-D scrappers. I've done my time playing one, and body mastery 4tw. I'll live with finding another way to deal with the Hurricane on my Dark/Dark. Besides, Pet Gaze doesn't exist in three of four PVP zones and you won't even fight it in two prior to defection.

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SILLY SCRAPPER!

TRIXX ARE FOR KIDS!

by denying yourself the dark epic you're throwing away (yes, wasting) your shot at:

1) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) hold
2) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) attack
3) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) immobilize

all of which are very effective against the DREAD STORM DEFENDER!!!

seriously, why deny yourselves PVP glory like this, when it's right there...WITHIN YOUR GRASP!?

yes, YOU TOO can defeat a storm defender.

yes, you, you 97 lb weaklings!

take your i7 respec and be the first on your block to mop the floor with your local storm bully.

that'll be the last time he kicks sand in your face.

so THERE!

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SILLY SCRAPPER!

TRIXX ARE FOR KIDS!

by denying yourself the dark epic you're throwing away (yes, wasting) your shot at:

1) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) hold
2) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) attack
3) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) immobilize

all of which are very effective against the DREAD STORM DEFENDER!!!

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In exchange, I get:

the ability to ignore hurricane to-hit debuffs
a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) attack that debuffs defense
a ranged (undebuffable by hurrcane) cone attack that knocks down.
infinite endurance upon demand

I also seem to have an emp glove and stun grenades on my power bar. I wonder how those got there...

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seriously, why deny yourselves PVP glory like this, when it's right there...WITHIN YOUR GRASP!?

yes, YOU TOO can defeat a storm defender.

yes, you, you 97 lb weaklings!

take your i7 respec and be the first on your block to mop the floor with your local storm bully.

that'll be the last time he kicks sand in your face.

so THERE!

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Don't try to trick me into an overkill control build with your wily words!

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Sgt_Liberty · 02-17-2006 05:12 PM

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Actually it was more like "Can't hit without a tray full of inspirations (Perma-MoG), can't do enough damage to overcome regeneration (IH), and can't stack holds fast enough to punch through Integration."

None of which is specific to Storm, but generic to Controllers. Which I might also add, this is not the appropriate forum for.

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I'm Hami-Oed out, have Stamina, QR, Int, and IH in use in Siren's Call. What are insperations I stack up on? Purples, Greens, and a few blues. All the the things I'm supposed to need the least since I'm a Regen scrapper supposedly. That's how uber I'm not even with those supposedly "unfair" powers.

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That above quote was the ACTUAL PvP complaint at the time. ALL Scrappers use inspirations like that now, they all have lower Status Protection, they all offer less mitigation, etc etc. I think your expectations are just unreasonable, as none of those powers are "unfair" anymore. IH will still make you nigh-unkillable while it's up (though if you're held it'll only delay the inevitable) against all but the highest DPS attackers (Blasters, other Scrappers perhaps).

While you might feel that Hurricane is "unfair" to you, it is very easy to bypass given several easily available tactics, the easiest of which is to get a teamate with ranged attacks to kite and blast/mez him, only slightly more difficult being learning how to charge through it and hit with a Stun like Cobra Strike or buy the Stun Grenade temp power.

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Stormeye - 50 Storm Summoning / Electric Blast

Mr_Jaytastic · 02-17-2006 05:40 PM

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I think I can sum up his point like this

"Waaaa, Regen got nerfed in the past, I'm too lazy to tailor my build, team and tactics to counter something that presents me a challenge in PvP, and therefore I want that challenge nerfed"

I think Kid might be more comfortable playing an FPS with godmode on. That seems like about the level of thought and effort he wants to expend on facing challenges in PvP here.

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It's more like this..

Storm Controller: "Wahhh, Regen's are too strong! Nerf them so they can't get past Hurricane so easily with perma Mog!"
Regen Scrapper: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

(nerfs occur for the xth time to regen)

Storm Controller: "Yay, now I can beat you!"
Scrapper: ""Hey Devs, Hurricane is too strong now that you're nerfed melee powers to get passed it! Waahh, nerf Hurricane so it's not Perma!!"
Storm Controller: "Learn how to play instead of whining, then you can beat me!"

Hmm. Deja Vu?

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Pathetic.

Stormbringer · 02-17-2006 05:52 PM

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SILLY SCRAPPER!

TRIXX ARE FOR KIDS!

by denying yourself the dark epic you're throwing away (yes, wasting) your shot at:

1) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) hold
2) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) attack
3) a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) immobilize

all of which are very effective against the DREAD STORM DEFENDER!!!

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In exchange, I get:

the ability to ignore hurricane to-hit debuffs
a ranged (undebuffable by hurricane) attack that debuffs defense
a ranged (undebuffable by hurrcane) cone attack that knocks down.
infinite endurance upon demand

I also seem to have an emp glove and stun grenades on my power bar. I wonder how those got there...

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seriously, why deny yourselves PVP glory like this, when it's right there...WITHIN YOUR GRASP!?

yes, YOU TOO can defeat a storm defender.

yes, you, you 97 lb weaklings!

take your i7 respec and be the first on your block to mop the floor with your local storm bully.

that'll be the last time he kicks sand in your face.

so THERE!

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Don't try to trick me into an overkill control build with your wily words!

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scrappers!

BAH!