Not once, not twice, but three times...
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008Zulu,
Posted on: 2006-01-10 16:26 in Developers' Corner
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AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn.
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::Screams fangirlishly till she passes out.::
So how will this affect Giant Monster spawns, such as Kronos Titan, that aren't connected to TFs?
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First...I confirm that we're working on right now (as in pohsyb in the next room) to add CoV costume parts into CoH if you own both games....
Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.
AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.
In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!
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"Who was that masked stranger that saved the day........"
Great stuff dev team...but have you guys thought about the ramifications? You've literally crippled the boards for a few days. There's nothing to talk about now....just quiet reflection for one and all.....
Okay, serious question now...is this stuff supposed to be coming before I7, with I7, or after I7?
Again, great work. Congrats.
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Now if you guys could just stop penny pinching and give the options to everybody like you know you should, everything will be fine.
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Are you required to pay an extra $15 per month to play CoV in additional to CoH? No? Me either. You know they could have easily charged us that and the majority of us would've paid it. Why don't you try a simple thank you and leave it at that?
To the Devs: Thank you. The AV change is most welcome and will make the "hated 40+ game" much more doable in small teams or solo. The stealth thing I didn't really have a problem with anyway, but it is always nice to roll something back based on player feedback. Thank you for listening, as always.
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Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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So how will this affect Giant Monster spawns, such as Kronos Titan, that aren't connected to TFs?
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This does not affect world spawns stated by Posi.
Lets see Theorum doubt me when I say we have the best devs now!
::Jumps around screaming fangirlishly some more::
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One thing I always wanted to see in an AV mission are two AV's in the same room not fighting each other but working together to fight your team. I think the added difficulty would be very nice to help spice up some AV battles. Most of the time they are over really fast with the right team on your side.
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HI IMBALMER!!!! :-b
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First...I confirm that we're working on right now (as in pohsyb in the next room) to add CoV costume parts into CoH if you own both games....
Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.
AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.
In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!
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Wow. This was somewhat... unexpected, but in a good way, a very good way.
The Elite Boss/AV change was the most unexpected to me considering that it wasn't that long ago that many of the CoV Elite Bosses were boosted to AV status. Pip pip hurrah! 
More xp for AV's will not be refused either. From an xp gaining standpoint AV's have always been so miserably low on xp given for the time it takes to defeat them (even at great risk) that fighting blue and green mobs is a more effective use of time.
i have some issues with risk of defeat in combat being the single metric by which xp rewards should be determined, but if that's the vision, i guess that's the vision. After all, it's not like there are any RPG's, PnP or computer, that reward players with xp for achieving mission goals by noncombat methods (like thought, strategy or skill), but wouldn't it be cool if there were? /em whistlesinnocently
Now if the promised removal of the toggle drop attack (a mag 100 stun is guaranteed toggle dropper, more so than the PvP toggle droppers) from 40+ Nullifiers goes through i'll be fairly pleased for a while. It's not fun grabbing aggro to bail out a squishier teammate and going from fine to dead in less than 3 seconds because your damage mitigation is entirely through toggle defenses. (Like my DA brute.)
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
WOW!! OMG!!! YOUARETEHBEST!!!
Not really. ED still sucks. Supression still sucks. PvP is still awful compared to the other PvP choices out there(5 million customers=doing something right). The game is awful compared to I2-I3. Almost all the people I enjoyed playing the game with have left for greener pastures, and all you can do is give out more nerfs? Yes, you did undo this nerf, but not entirely. You still are going to introduce it again, just in a different way. There is no reason to play a superhero game where you feel more like a minion than a hero.
I'm very pleased with these three announcements, guys, especially the AV one (it makes me wish my scrapper still had the Envoy of Shadows lined up so I could beat him to death with his own wings instead of getting a 50 to do it for me).
Will this change go the other way, too, with Elite Bosses like Hercules and Patient Zero becoming AVs if faced with a large enough team?
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AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.
In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!
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OUTSTANDING! Man, I hate to say this but if you all were in charge of SWG pre-1st-Revamp, I would probably still be playing that game. But since you weren't and I am now playing this game, I can honestly say I feel good about playing a game where the Devs listen to their Player Base. This idea is awesome. Thank you States and thank you to all the Devs!
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Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.
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First...I confirm that we're working on right now (as in pohsyb in the next room) to add CoV costume parts into CoH if you own both games....
Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.
AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.
In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!
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this probably expresses the not-forum goers of triumph: WOOOOHOOOO
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Will this change go the other way, too, with Elite Bosses like Hercules and Patient Zero becoming AVs if faced with a large enough team?
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That would be pretty good if the AV xp boost is enough to make the extra time and risk worth it. Actually, i wouldn't mind even if the xp was the same, but i realize that many others would.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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WOW!! OMG!!! YOUARETEHBEST!!!
Not really. ED still sucks. Supression still sucks. PvP is still awful compared to the other PvP choices out there(5 million customers=doing something right). The game is awful compared to I2-I3. Almost all the people I enjoyed playing the game with have left for greener pastures, and all you can do is give out more nerfs? Yes, you did undo this nerf, but not entirely. You still are going to introduce it again, just in a different way. There is no reason to play a superhero game where you feel more like a minion than a hero.
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Piss in someone else's Cheerios. That is all.
Statesman --
What a great change. I applaud you for this.
It's so nice to see some MMO devs actually listen not just to what we gripe about,but also the better solutions -- and take those!
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THANK YOU!
And Boon, that's a good question. It would be pretty cool if it worked that way, imho.
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Not really. ED still sucks. Supression still sucks. PvP is still awful compared to the other PvP choices out there(5 million customers=doing something right). The game is awful compared to I2-I3. Almost all the people I enjoyed playing the game with have left for greener pastures, and all you can do is give out more nerfs? Yes, you did undo this nerf, but not entirely. You still are going to introduce it again, just in a different way. There is no reason to play a superhero game where you feel more like a minion than a hero.
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I knew some kind or moron had to be coming to ruin the party. *sighs* This game is amazing. Jack is helping make the game better. The game wasn't better in I2 + I3, just because you were all super duper powered/invincible and couldn't be stopped. None of us probably like ED, but its not reason to complain. The game is fun.
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First...I confirm that we're working on right now (as in pohsyb in the next room) to add CoV costume parts into CoH if you own both games....
Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.
AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.
In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!
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Just to calrify: The Archvillain thing is ONLY for Mission AV's, Archvillains in Task Forces/Strike Forces and World Spawns will not be changed.
In City of Villains, Archvillain-class enemies are called "Heroes" and this change applies to them as well. (With the exception of Strike Forces and World Spawns of course).
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The 10,000,000 INF question - The AV change applies to the Praetorian arcs also? If so, I may actually urinate my pants...
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WOW!! OMG!!! YOUARETEHBEST!!!
Not really. ED still sucks. Supression still sucks. PvP is still awful compared to the other PvP choices out there(5 million customers=doing something right). The game is awful compared to I2-I3. Almost all the people I enjoyed playing the game with have left for greener pastures, and all you can do is give out more nerfs? Yes, you did undo this nerf, but not entirely. You still are going to introduce it again, just in a different way. There is no reason to play a superhero game where you feel more like a minion than a hero.
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Holy moly, better call your congressman!
/stevebalmer
I F***ING HATE STATESMAN!!!
/stevebalmer
Don't let the door hit your [censored] on the way out, seriously...
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First...I confirm that we're working on right now (as in pohsyb in the next room) to add CoV costume parts into CoH if you own both games....
Then we repeal the hated stealth nerf. The reason why: many well reasoned posts. It's that simple. You guys pointed out the problems.
AND now...we're changing the way Archvillains spawn. A ton of forum goers disliked adding so many AV's into missions a while back...so we've come up with a solution. If the team size and mission difficulty are ABOVE a certain level, an Archvillain spawns. Below that, players will face only an Elite Boss. If the mission is set on the first two levels of difficulty, it takes 4 heroes or more to spawn an Arch Villain. On the third level, 3 heroes or more. On the fourth level, 2 heroes. On the highest (Invincible), a solo hero will spawn an AV. Note this works in BOTH City of Heroes and Villains.
In order to incentivize larger teams, Positron is going to add a bonus to AV rewards!
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Oh my, for the first time in a long time States, you've got a hat trick! I love every one of these!
I know you want people to team more but there are some characters I just want to solo all the time, this AV change lets me do that!
Thank you!!
To the first, Yay! More costume options are always good.
To the second, good, BUT, you really need to get a better grip on what stealth should do in this game. It's being steadily stripped of its usefulness bit by bit. At the rate you're going, it's going to be not much more than a costume option by mid-year.
To the third: YES! Not that there isn't some validity to the points made by the other posters who do like duoing on-level AVs, but soloability in the late game has just been profoundly improved. Perhaps a heroic with full bosses and AVs setting is needed?
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Will this change go the other way, too, with Elite Bosses like Hercules and Patient Zero becoming AVs if faced with a large enough team?
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Dude. Frosfire the AV. Now I know I'm going to be running th eHollows again.
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Q: How do you wreck an Abrams?
A: You crash into another one.
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WOW!! OMG!!! YOUARETEHBEST!!!
Not really. ED still sucks. Supression still sucks. PvP is still awful compared to the other PvP choices out there(5 million customers=doing something right). The game is awful compared to I2-I3. Almost all the people I enjoyed playing the game with have left for greener pastures, and all you can do is give out more nerfs? Yes, you did undo this nerf, but not entirely. You still are going to introduce it again, just in a different way. There is no reason to play a superhero game where you feel more like a minion than a hero.
[/ QUOTE ]Attention customer:
Piss in someone else's Cheerios. That is all.
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Yeah! You tell him!
::Grabs Aaron and jumps around screaming with him in her arms::
Yay for the devs.. and yay for cute Conan!
Very nice and thank you much.
I am looking forward to some of the costume options now. I am also looking forward to some elite boss slaying now... but, will an elite boss give you the requirements for Portal Jockey or will it remain slaying them as AV's?
Thanks again for listening to the player base about some issues.
Ice Ember