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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Not looking for a target, mind you, but just have a question (It may've already been asked in the raving, not sure).
I can respect that datamining is out, but what if someone has a souvenir for one of these task forces - you know, while the souvenirs were working? Would it be outlandish to allow folks who HAVE a souvenir for one of these task forces to petition for the badge? No datamining involved there, you know.
And speaking of task force souvenirs, why have they been disabled? They seemed to be working just fine in issue what, 3? I could do any task force save for numina and get a souvenir (save for the few characters that got their soul orb souvenir from that calvin scott TF by petition alone).
Then in issue 4, nothing. What gives?
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I don't understand these gripes... what if the Shard TFs were never intended to award badges of any kind? Ever? What would you complain about then? That you "wasted" all that time playing through a storyline you never read... in hopes that, someday, it might provide you with another lame looking badge that does nothing for you at all?
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i'm upset. i don't want to have to do that painfully long TF again to get the badge. i already did it once.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Ooo! New target!
Simplest solution: If the character has the souvenir - they get a badge! (Sorry for those who didn't get the souvenir.)
Which reminds me...
Let me get this straight, we spend hours to get TF badges because you took souvenirs out (months ago)...you're refusing to datamine to find which characters deserve badges, but you CAN datamine enough to find out ways to "curb herding" and prevent certain PAYING CUSTOMERS from having fun how they want to...you won't respond to official threads OR threads from people attempting to make logical validations as to why you shouldn't nerf something...
Content: deceased. Shiny badges: critical condition. Nerfs: thriving!
Yeah. You better hope CoV brings in a LOT of new customers (tens of thousands) or you're going to find that your "vision" just suffered from our (we PAYING CUSTOMERS) lack of interest and decided to send you to the unemployment line.
Have fun explaining the "vision" to marketing and have a great day!
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They've got to kidding, nearly a damn week to do all four Shard TF's with almost NO reward, hell how many people have even done it, it can't take that much to data mine. That is a world class boner decision, well at least I5 gives 50's something new to do.......... oops my bad..
~A
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I don't understand these gripes... what if the Shard TFs were never intended to award badges of any kind? Ever? What would you complain about then? That you "wasted" all that time playing through a storyline you never read... in hopes that, someday, it might provide you with another lame looking badge that does nothing for you at all?
These TFs are game content. They're stories put together to add flavor and history to the game. Their sole purpose is NOT to provide you with a badge.
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You're absolutely correct! I don't even bother with TFs anymore. All they give is a badge that does nothing.
OH! Wait! They ORIGINALLY were INTENDED to give you a SOUVENIR - TELLING YOU THE STORY OF THE CONTENT.
Players: Hi. We want more content, souvenirs back and more badges. This game is really fun! 
Devs: We are adding new badges. The defeat badges will take no time at all. The others...well, they'll take you months. The new badges for the things you've already done...well, we can't be troubled to datamine these badges for you, it would take too much time and we don't really care about you that much. As for souvenirs, we have no plans to reinstate them at this time, as CONTENT is no longer a part of the "vision".
Players: Oh. What did you guys do - hire former SWG devs? Ya know what, nevermind. Keep your game and your "vision". Hope you enjoy it. We'll find another game.
Devs: Wait. Here, let us make it up to you. Here's an invitation to beta test CoV!
Some players: Ooo! CoV beta! Yay!
Smart players: Go dump yourself. We wouldn't play any of your games even if you paid US, at this point. Choke on your "vision".
There! Clear enough?
Arrrg, very frustrating, particularly for the Shadow Shard TFs.
Darn it. I kinda saw this coming. It took forever to complete the data mining the first time. I tried to tell people that they probably wouldn't be data mining. I am not posting 'cause I wanna say "I told you so". I am posting because I am mad that I let myself get talked into doing the Quartermane TF a few weeks ago. Darn it!
First and foremost. Datamining for two years sounds nasty. But since this would be a low priority process, it's understandable that it would take so long. No offence taken in this regard if it's not done.
However, I agree with the few people that said that this should/could have been foreseen. I presume the problem here is with parallel development. One team does badges, another new mission content and so they were releases alongside one another instead of together. However, when TF Souvenirs went out (I still prefer those -- hell, I still stop to read my Letter From Requiem once in a while) and Badges went in, what should have been done would have been to flag those characters that deserved a not yet made TF Badge for future reception of such a Badge, once implemented.
Could have just given them a blank, nameless placeholder badge for all I care. I'm sure developing a Badge isn't in itself a hideously time consuming task if you know what the Badge is for, so a placeholder badge (random exploration/history badge graphics, TF name, notice that it's a placeholder as text) should have taken all of a minute to design. Don't know jack about the implementation process, but the code to award a badge upon completion of a Task Force is obviously there. So it'd just have to be applied to those TFs that didn't give out Badges yet.
Eventually, once the actual Badge was ready, you could have just gone and substituted it for the placeholders and presto. Instant gratification.
I'm not a coder, but it doesn't sound like rocket science to me.
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Ouch! that must be one huge log file ....
The pile of CD-Rs must fill a room or two by now 
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Shame on you from not learning from the first time!
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Shame on you from not learning from the first time!
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Shame on him for his new costume!
I mean, jesus. Has anyone told him that it looks like he lost a fight with a group of spray paint wielding Outkasts?
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Ummm at the introduction of badges, was in issue 2, which came out in september if i am not mistaken. the game went live in april, that was 5 months worth of badges. Now yes the game has been out like 15 months not 18 but wouldnt it stand to reason since you caught up to atleast september, and since then any badage TF has awarded, and no TF was added acept strigas moonfire and hess, oh and that calvin scott one, and those were added in issue 3, that really your talking about datamining from issue 3 in january to present. So like 8 months and only for 3 TFs, unless your finally badging the SS tfs which still again not added until issue 2 so going back to sept and 1 year, not 18 months.
COH has long herald itself as a game for casual players. Well as what i consider a casual team player in that i play mostly at night, if i get on line during the day for a TF and spend 5 hours completing it, that is a rare luxary. Andnow i wont get reward for it. Nice is all i have to say. I guess at some point not only did the VISION not include multi spawning pets, herding (though powers increase in effectivness as you do), perma click powers, good aoes, good holds, good defense, an useful blaster inherent power, level 50 cotent..... lets see what am i missing? Point being seems like we players are taking alot of changes for the benefit of living out you alls VISION, how bout cutting us some slack and actually doing something for us for a change. And no the current idea of "balancing" is not for us. Its for your ideas to how we should play not how we want to play. But if we live with it, we dont even get credit for the things we did take part in is kinda, i dont know, craptastic to say the least.
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Arrrg, very frustrating, particularly for the Shadow Shard TFs.
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thats putting it.......lightly.
Devs should have anticipated this from their learning from the last time they datamined badges. This is yet another time sink to endure, and more boring content to do yet again. /sigh
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Ya know, I usually support the devs, and tell others to calm down etc etc etc...but more and more I am having less and less reason to give you guys the benefit of the doubt.
Between the phase shift thing and now this badge thing..its just pure laziness on the part of the developers because we KNOW that they can be datamined. Most of any respect I had left for the developers is going away slowly.
I have to agree with one of the posters, stop telling us whats fun and start asking...
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Couldn't have said it better. QFT.
L50 Emp/Dark LFT for SS TFs.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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damn. I hate logical answers that I have to respect. Thanks Posi.
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Sorry to start all this, but I read the thread when it was 22 pages long and had just did the Quarterfield TF on Sunday. After doing, I didn't want to do it again with the same character. I sent a PM to Cuppa asking if datamining would be done, since most were only hoping for it or thought they would be doing it. I got the reply back and asked that it be posted on the official thread by Cuppa. The only good news I got from the PM's was the possibility of keeping the 2 Souvenirs from the 2nd and 3rd TF's in the Shard. Kind of strange, I will have the souvenirs, but no badges for them. Sorry to turn this into a 40 page thread now, but I felt that they should've posted that info and not surprised everyone once I5 hit and still no badge.
So u mean I have to do the Shards TFs AGAIN?!? Not only do some of them take like 6-8 hrs, but if all the regen nerfs go live, I will stand no chance against Ruludak because I'll be a melee blaster. Well. If we can't get datamined for badges, can we at LEAST have the Regen changes and Phase Shift changes NOT happen? Otherwise Statesman can keep his stupid badges. 
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We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Pshhh, Posi, haven't you guys seen the commercials for the IBM Help Desk? Just toss that data into the Blue Gene supercomputer, you'll have those results in 2 minutes not 2 years.
-Ink
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For a game that places so much emphasis on teamwork and cooperation the badge system is rotten.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Well let me cut that time by a third, all you have to do is datamine from the date of the I2 release 
Seriously though, may I make a suggestion? For any future TF's that don't have a badge associated with them on release, maybe set a flag on the char upon completion, so that if a badge is later released for said TF, then you don't even have to datamine...
Why didn't you tell us the TF's would probably not be datamineable?
A pre TF disclaimer would have been enough.
You have the Ability to award individual players badges. Don't lie to us. GM's CAN award badges.
Compensate me for my time. I demand satisfaction. Work with me until I am satisfied just as Any respectable business would. Start offering your unhappy customers something, this is your mistake not hours.
Give me the 4 new badges for all TF's until you have the ability to prove that I did NOT complete the TF's.
And don't tell me that this is "Just a badge" Items in other games that take similar amounts of time to acquire sell for hundreds on e bay or in game auctions. The badges are Very valuable to me.
I demand satisfaction, that is all.
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I'm so glad that the devs don't give a damn about angering their customers. I must not get this business thing...I thought angering your customers was bad.
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No, you're thinking of stockholders. Angering them is bad, because some of them can get your CEO fired.
Customers are a necessary evil to be dealt with, nothing more or less.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Shame on you from not learning from the first time!
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Shame on him for his new costume!
I mean, jesus. Has anyone told him that it looks like he lost a fight with a group of spray paint wielding Outkasts?
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It's quite possible he was. I mean, he just stands around in Steel Canyon all day on his pedistal. He has to sleep sometime, right. And that's when the spray painting Outcasts strike!
I'd like my Calvin Scott badge...
Hey you know what? If it takes nearly 2 years to datamine for a freaking badge, it is understandable, very. Just to put myself in their shoes, I wouldnt waste that time and energy either, honestly. CoV and I5 is coming up, there are bigger fish to fry. It shows ya what little we patrons know.