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wait a minute, so you guys are gonna datamine for that supergroup crap so we can get prestige but you wont datamine for tf's, that doesnt make sense, but hey work hard not smart right?
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Since there are about 3 or 4 posts like this, in the previous 6 pages, I'll just say this...
You guys do know that Prestige will play a bigger part in the game than badges, right..? Allow me to explain.
Prestige = Used to Build/Customize a Base.
Badges = Mostly for show and tell. Only a handful actually yield rewards.
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Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
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Dear Cuppa,
I know that you are just the messenger delivering this lousy news, but I have to add my voice on the "This Stinks" side of this argument. I would dearly love to hear a reason that those who completed the task forces should not get the badges that have been created to signify that they have indeed completed them.
The tools for datamining are obviously already in place, I got my Kill Skuls badge pretty quick after it went live. There are only two reasons that I can think of for not retroactively awarding these badges:
1. Someone is too lazy to do the datamining.
2. Someone really really wants to throw <censored> at the playerbase to see how angry they will get. Are we participating in a sociology experiment without disclosure?
In short, this sucks. All of the task force badges should be awarded retroactively to everybody who completed them.
Well I must say this just blows! I did the moonfire TS right when striga came out on my main char, amassed a hugh amount of debt in the process, had alot of fun, but to spend another 4 hrs to re-do that TF on that char is uncalled for. I just wont do it, so I hope down the road that you take this into consideration again if you decide to make a new AT only available to people who have completed all the Task Forces as has been mentioned as one possible way.
Just another nail in the coffin.
Keep it up, your killing me slowly.
The Cartel is currently planning a response.
So far, it involves a flagpole, jello, and Statesman's pants.
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Cuppa, don't take this personally, it's not aimed at you. I've tried to be reasonable, but this just boggles the mind.
You know, for all the various things that have been done that piss off this or that portion of the paying populace 'for the good of the game', you'd think they'd want to go out of their way to avoid adding anything else to that list, especially something as blatantly [color= yellow]antagonistic[/color] and [color= yellow]stupid[/color] as this.
If the technology suddenly doesn't exist to be able to datamine these, like it did before, let us know what happened, and that the imbecile responsible got fired because of it. If it does and you've decided not to use it, then there should be a good reason why not, and your community relations person should be able to be upfront in sharing it. Otherwise, when is this stacked on top of everything else we've been asked to swallow, what else are we supposed to see it as except either malicious or just plain lazy?
Statesman and Co., seriously, here's my advice. Look up morale in the dictionary, then try do one thing before I5 hits to actually improve it around here. Reversing this decision would be a great start. It'd show that yes, you do, in fact, care that we enjoy what you're doing with the game we finance (something a number of people are really doubting, with CoV on the horizon), and it wouldn't even interfere in the "Grand Vision" that's somehow so important.
Wow, this is incredible...
Look I'm a fanboi extraordinaire, I love the rebala.. eh nerfing in I5
This is just stupid. It is guaranteed to piss off veteran players that love the game.
At least say something along the lines, that datamining those badges is not doable at the moment, but we'll look into it for the future.
At least have a dev explain why you have made this decision, and not hide behind CuppaJo, that is just beyond low
This is the first time my faith in CoH has been shaken, because of lack of a better explenation I can only see laziness
Irony is, this doesn't affect me, it still pisses me off because it is blatantly unfair
Please reconsider this issue, it just seems petty that Cryptic can't be bothered to do a minor thing (feel free Devs to explain why this is not minor), that would mean a lot to some of your most loyal players
Blessed be
hyena
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So, dissapointing, yes. An insult from the developers? Please. If it were feasable, they'd have done it.
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The insult (imo) isn't that they aren't datamining for the badges.
The insult is that they released content only partially implemented. What was preventing a badge being awarded? If the problem was minor, it should have been fixed; if it was major, they shouldn't have made the content available until the major problem with it was corrected.
Also they chose not to make the problem public, even though they were fully aware of it. That was also insulting.
As for your possible reasons why datamining might not be done, I agree completely. All very good reasons. I suspect "a" is the winner, but who knows.
PS: CuppaJo did go to bat for us, trying to get the datamining. Thanks for trying, CuppaJo.
I should have stopped paying you as soon as I realized that you were using my money to change the PvE game I love into a PvP game. It was foolish of me to trust you to leave PvE intact.
That's one thing I was wondering.
What the HELL were these task forces put out WITHOUT badges?
The Hamster is still not pleased. But the Hamster has ordered chinese.
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Not everyone in game reads the forums so they should not be a method of announcing things like that, but even if they are used in that way an official thread should be used. A GM should never e-mail me a link to a player created thread.
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Yes, yes and yes.
Not everyone in game reads the forums so they should not be a method of announcing things like that, but even if they are used in that way an official thread should be used. A GM should never e-mail me a link to a player created thread.
I'd underline it too if there was a code for that.
Now if only there were a way for NCSoft to partake of your wisdom...
I should have stopped paying you as soon as I realized that you were using my money to change the PvE game I love into a PvP game. It was foolish of me to trust you to leave PvE intact.
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Well, this one makes the "Lame List" as well. I suppose it's good there was never a Souvenir for the Shard TF's otherwise they'd be forced to datamine.
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They did have souvenirs for the Shadow Shard task forces. Unfortunately, they stopped awarding them about two months ago without providing any advance notice to the players.
So that means that those of us that completed them in the last two months are basically screwed. We get no reward whatsoever unless we choose to redo all 30 hours of our work.
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All Souvenirs have been removoed from all TFs. If you petition for one you get a support e-mail that points you to a thread here on the forums. It is not an official thread announcing the change, just a thread where someone pointed out the issue and CuppaJo happened to respond to it. It is simply the worst customer service interaction I have ever run into online. Not everyone in game reads the forums so they should not be a method of announcing things like that, but even if they are used in that way an official thread should be used. A GM should never e-mail me a link to a player created thread.
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Yes, this is all well known and documented. What I didn't know was that there were Souvenirs for the Shard TF's up till a couple of months ago.
Now, is Cuppa really telling us that those with Souvenirs for the Shard TF's can't petition for the Badge and have it awarded?
If that is the case then this situation just got 16 times more [censored] than it was before.
Bottom line :
If you have a Souvenir, you get a newly created Badge.
If this isn't true, something is seriously wrong over at Cryptic.
Sign It : http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
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Cuppa, let Statesman and the dev team know that I will do the work for datamining those badges FOR FREE. Hell, I'll even fly myself BACK to California (I live there but go to school in D.C.) to work in the office if I can't do it from my computer here in D.C..
I repeat, tell me how and I will datamine and award the badges FOR FREE.
Then again, if it's not the labor that's holding you back from datamining (and, indeed, your desire to insult the playerbase), I have lost a great deal of respect for you. I, too, will be petitioning my characters for their badges regardless of what anyone tells me.
In closing, I will do the datamining work for free. Just tell me where, when, and how.
You can read the story during a task force (or anyone's mission) by clicking on the i button next to the mission on the missions drop down.
Enjoy.
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You can read the story during a task force (or anyone's mission) by clicking on the i button next to the mission on the missions drop down.
Enjoy.
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I wish they would make a note of this somewhere. This lack of knowledge is astounding to me due to how prolific it is.
Sign It : http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
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Cuppa, first off, please allow me to thank you for getting us this information as soon as you could. I appreciate all that you do for the game and the forums. You are truly an asset and I just wanted to let you know I value everything you do for us. *(Also additional thanks for answering the PM I sent to you, a few weeks back, so quickly)*
Now as you can see I am not a big poster to the forums. I come here mostly to see what the Dev Digest has to say. I prefer the Red name comments as opposed to so much of the non-game related content. That is unless a Red says something about what someone else has said, then Ill browse through it a bit, any who, kind of off track now.
The reason I'm posting today is because after having read this post, I was taken aback. I am very much one who can accept change and/or learn from it. I respect that the Devs are trying hard to make the game "fun" and well good for them. I am/have enjoyed the game since I started playing, back in Dec '04, both my wife and I. We fell in love with it so much we convinced our best friends, a married couple as well, to purchase 2 accounts to play with us. I guess that kind of makes me as valuable as a 4x paying customer (honestly I use all 4 accts more than anyone else...hehe *no Im not addicted*)(ok maybe a little).
Any who, I wanted to express that although I may or may not agree with the changes that are made for whatever reason; I know that there is a greater purpose as to why the changes are made. For example, I loved having concealment on my defender for the sole purpose of Phase shift. I don't agree with the change that is being made, so my hero has meditated and soul searched until his powers changed (I respec'd :P). Basically what Im getting at is if there is a problem I am faced with I'll take whatever necessary steps are needed to make me happy with my hero.
Here is my problem. I started doing the SS Trials when I learned there would be a badge awarded for doing them. Honestly I didn't really have the desire to do them because of a few reasons. One, getting around that place is really a pain (this is being fixed - a little - thx!). Two, the missions I understood to be very ....hmmm... (How to put it) not Fun (yes I think that works). Three, it's not easy putting a team together to do them. Four, they are very time consuming. (Ok enough reason why I didn't care to do them). I was so excited when I found out that badges were going to be awarded. I am an official badge wh*** {not sure I can say the word, so use your imagination 
}. The idea of knowing that I would have a badge to show others I completed them really turned me on to playing my Lvl 50s through them. So far I've done two (the first and second). Man, the first was horrifically (is that even a word) boring. I was very disappointed to find no AV at the end. (kind of the same feeling I got when I completed Positron - I felt kind of empty but was still quite pleased to see those shiny letters telling me I was awarded a badge!!).
What I'm getting at is please re-consider the decision to not data mine (I think it's what you guys call it). As a paying customer, who has brought currently 4 active subscriptions (rest assured, it will be 8 when CoV comes out) I hope that my opinion is more than just the time you spend reading this post. Please permit us who've gone through the SS Trials to "auto-magically" receive our just reward for spending the additional time playing even after you guys have already admitted to the lack of end game content. I fully intend on doing them all (esp. since there is a badge) and I will with all my alts who will reach the appropriate levels to complete them.
*A side note: You do not need to answer my next question - just consider it. Is there anyway you could impose some kind of real penalty to Lvl 50s. While doing the SS Trials, it was really quite irritating to watch the numerous times that, blasters for example, would just run into any group and "blow up" and die without a concern since debt isn't a penalty for Lvl 50s. Don't bite my head off, maybe reverse leveling (mostly joking here) or power use penalty (for dying X number of times today you are restricted from using a certain power for X amt of time) - {these are just ideas - don't flame me- it's just a thought to consider} |for those who are still going to flame me anyway :P - sorry to let you down but it's not likely Ill be back to this thread unless a Red name leads me here|
Thank you again for everything you do!
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Can only quote another poster who said it already...
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Why? I want a reason.
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Exactly.
I won't pretend that I speak for anyone other than myself, but I can say, with some certainty, that "we" would like to know why. WHY?! For the love of...
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Clarification - Monsters in TF's do not count towards the badges for those monsters (Adamastor or Jurrassic for ex). It has been this way for some time.
Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
**edited to read correctly - note on top of all that - Babbage that is in the TF will give you the badge - IF your group does the most damage to it - if someone helps you defeat Babbage - you may not get it if your team does not do the majority of the damage**
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The monster badge awards seem to have changed over the course of the past little while. I actually was part of a team that defeated Jurassik in Creys Folly, did not get the badge, petitioned and was told that he did NOT count towards the badge. I had to do the Numina Task Force according to the email I received from Tech support earlier this year.
Also this not decision to NOT datamine for Task forces is not one I am pleased with. Figure 2-4 hours for Moonfire, 4-8 hours each for the second and fourth Shadow Shard TF's, that is a lot of time to invest and NOT get a reward for it.
I couldn't give 2 [censored] about any badge other than the one that require 15 hours STRAIGHT of my life. Everything else is minor. I don't care about finding monsters again of doing 4-6 hour tfs. Its the Quatermain tf that erks me. That thing shouldnt even exist. Like a poster about said, make the thing a story arc for god's sake.
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It's a crappy turn of events, yes, but let's keep some perspective here. Do the TFs for fun, not because your OCD compels you to.
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Amen. I was thinking to myself the other day how many OCD personalities have been exposed by badges!
A badge means nothing. I'll take them if they're no significant inconvenience for me to pick up, or I'll go after them if they're part of an accolade I want, but other than that they're totally unimportant to me.
I have NO idea why so many people are obsessed with them and think the Devs should sacrifice their firstborns for not making it easy for every single character to get every single badge. OCD! Take a step back and get some perspective people!
i'm not doing the shard TF's again because
a) they are so poorly executed and so utterly boring
b) they don't lead to any meaningful accolade
c) i don't need a little bit of text above my head...
d) you don't care, so why should i?
The entire way that monster badges works goes counter to the purpose of awarding the badges. Monsters are supposed to be a significant challens that multiple heroes cooperate towards to defeat. The decision to make the badges a competitive rather than a cooperative effort has made each spawn a jealously-guarded thing. If I see a giant monster first, to be honest, I'm telling my SG before I announce it on a public channel, because if I tell the entire server, there's no reward for participation (except for Lusca), the reward is only to the team that does more damage than anyone else.
I'm not affected by the decision not to datamine the shard and Striga TF's, but it's still a bad decision. The Quartermain TF especially, is a massive time-consuming undertaking, and to decide that the rewards don't apply if someone did it before I5 is simply unfair to them. They put the time and effort into completing it, so they should get the badge for it. Someone already volunteered to do the datamining for free. I'll come out and help him do it. Reward the effort people put into it.
119088 - Outcasts Overcharged. Heroic.
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I have NO idea why so many people are obsessed with them and think the Devs should sacrifice their firstborns for not making it easy for every single character to get every single badge. OCD! Take a step back and get some perspective people!
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Before you look down your nose at someone, please try to look at things from their perspective. Badges are content. Those of us that have been at level 50 for a while are starving for new content. They impliment new content, then require us to repeat boring, 12 hour taskforces to acquire the new content. Hence, the complaints.
I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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But, you have now explained the problem.
I still don't like the situation, but at least I now understand your reason.
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You can read the story during a task force (or anyone's mission) by clicking on the i button next to the mission on the missions drop down.
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Yes it is possible, but highly impractical. Unless you have a very understanding team or unless everyone goes afk at the end of each mission, I think you will have tough time pausing to read all the clues while you team is busy fighting or traveling.
Also, the task force completion message only gets displayed to the leader. There is no other way for you to see it.
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I have done all four Shard TF's, taking approximately 22 hours.
The Hamster is not pleased.
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