Thanks Taser. This really sucks that I have to do it again, but hopefully I can pull it off as fast as you once I5 hits.
Glad I spent 20 hours slogging through the Shard TF's.
Cause the stories were so interesting. Especially the part going from the Storm Palace to Founders Falls and back. Or the part where you kill x number of Rularru on Bastion X for several hours. And click on monument after monument. Whoohoo. Can't wait to do that again.
/end sarcasm
Cheers!
I don't mind doing Sara Moore or Fathaam the Kind many many more times, I really enjoy those ones. The Dr. Quarterfield and Justin Augustine TFs are awful TFs, neither of them are fun. Maybe those 2 should be redesigned to actually be fun, then there won't be a problem with doing them again because they'll be enjoyable.
Thanks. Nice to know that i wasted 10hrs of my life doing the Quartermain TF. They should at LEAST datamine for the Shadow Shard TFs and award them to all 50 of the people that have done them.
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Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
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I'm not yelling at Cuppa, just using the post to reply to.
This [censored] sucks. I'm sure I'm not saying anything the other poeple haven't, but this [censored] sucks. Some of these TFs are not fun. They were done once because we thought something cool would happen. It never did.
In terms of story, content and enjoyment, the first Shadow Shard TF was the biggest waste of time I've had the misfortune to participate in throughout my time in game. I'm not going to do that piece of crap TF again until it gets fixed.
/5 bucks says that you guys reused that generic trial graphic for the badge anyway.
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Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
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I'm not shooting the messenger here because I loves CuppaJo, but I have one question to ask...
If the Devs can go about many manhours of datamining how long we've been in SUPERGROUP mode to get this "prestige" to build bases with, why in the world can they not datamine to see who did the TF's?
Honestly, how hard did Recluse have to "push and shove" to get it done for him? I'm sure you can push and shove just as hard as he can Cuppa. 
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Clarification - Monsters in TF's do not count towards the badges for those monsters (Adamastor or Jurrassic for ex). It has been this way for some time.
Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
**edited to read correctly - note on top of all that - Babbage that is in the TF will give you the badge - IF your group does the most damage to it - if someone helps you defeat Babbage - you may not get it if your team does not do the majority of the damage**
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I've gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed to hear this. People should be properly rewarded for the work they've done in the game.
well that bites. ok so if the devs dont want to datamine and give us our badges fine
BUT
Dont go basing new requirement/toys/prizes on those badges such as prestige AT's like khelds so on.
What was the reason for not datamining the completed task force badges? Wasn't that done when badges were first introduced? I remember logging in when issue 2 went live and getting a ton of badges. There is really no reason it cant be done again. I don't care if I have to wait awhile to get the badges, but to be forced to do all the shadow shard tfs again really isn't fair.
Here's a question the devs should ask themselves:
"Why are the players complaining about us not datamining for the badges when they could do the TF's again?"
Here are the two answers they should come up:
-Quarterfield was 12 hours and boring, not even worth the hassle.
-The Shadow Shard task forces except for a small few are a chore to slog through instead of a fun adventure like Ernesto Hess.
- I bet they would love to do the TF's more if they were like Ernesto Hess'
- People feel cheated that they spent 12 hours some even longer to complete a task force and not get rewarded by it, including the fact that the missions weren't all that terribly exciting.
I think if the devs redesign the shadow shard TF's people may want to jump on the bandwagon, but as it is now I really don't think anyone can afford to spend 12 hours on a TF. Most people like to finish them in one sitting, a small few actually take days only because they have a reliable group to team with.
All and all, they should really consider redesigning some of the weaker TF's.
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Well, this one makes the "Lame List" as well. I suppose it's good there was never a Souvenir for the Shard TF's otherwise they'd be forced to datamine.
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They did have souvenirs for the Shadow Shard task forces. Unfortunately, they stopped awarding them about two months ago without providing any advance notice to the players.
So that means that those of us that completed them in the last two months are basically screwed. We get no reward whatsoever unless we choose to redo all 30 hours of our work.
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Cuppa, we understand that you can only tell us what they tell you, but can we at least get some clarification and a reason WHY the taskforce badges will not be datamined?
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Sarcasm will be in this response with a little bit of irony, so if you don't want either stop reading now.
They can't do the data mine now because that would take away from the time they spend on nerfing everything and avoiding new content. Think of all the new content and things we would like to see in game if everyone quit worrying about a blanace goal that is constantly changing and can't be achieved?
Heck, I haven't been here for 14 months because I'm bored.
You know, people need to calm down about the badges. (I know, most people are pretty calm about them.) Badges are just a fun little thing the devs tossed in for the heck of it. Seriously, I think the mistake they made was in having there be any sort of reward for getting any of the badges(i.e., Accolades). And I say this as someone who has all the badges, on a scrapper, and will be getting all the I5 badges, on that same scrapper. (A billion healing...*weep*)
The point of badges is not to make you play longer, or make you work for them. In fact, I bet if you asked them, they would prefer if people didn't actively work at them, but rather just took them as they came naturally through gameplay. The point of badges(and the devs are certainly free to correct me if I'm wrong) is to give you a little extra reward for doing stuff you would've done anyway. Naturally, I'm sure they expected people to work for the Accolades, since those give powers, but I actually kind of wish they hadn't done Accolades.
All that said, however, I worked hard for a lot of my badges, and I've worked hard getting other people their badges. Did I ever feel that I had to work hard for them? Not in the slightest. I did it because I love to collect things, I love making sets of collectible things, and I love talking to other people who are collecting the same things. It's more than half the reason I got into comics in the first place.
Task Forces, specifically, are designed to be something for a group of people to get together and do that has a little more of an "epic" feel to it. They're the big crossover, or at least maxi-series, of CoH. (Except for Positron's TF, which is kinda boring and mostly a waste of time, and is actually infinitely easier if you solo it. Unless you're a controller.) The badge is not the point. (Well, it is for me, and apparently for you, too, but it's not supposed to be.) The badge is just a little something extra, something you can show to other people and say, "Look, I did it, I got proof."
They didn't take the fun out of badges by making the new epic badges, any more than they took the fun out of badges by putting them in in the first place. When they made the original badges, they probably(and if so, foolishly) thought that no one would bother farming any of them but the Accolade requirements, and that it would take a lot longer for anyone to get them all than it actually did. I mean, 10 million damage is a lot, and it would take probably a year of normal gameplay to get that badge. It just so happens that there is a way to exploit the game system to get that badge in a couple days, and some people figured that out. There's a way to exploit the game system to get your mez badges in a couple days, to get your mentor badges, to get your healing badges...You can exploit your way to the debt badges if you want, but normal gameplay will get you those pretty quickly anyway. The only status badges I haven't found a good way to exploit are the influence badges, and even there, there is a way to speed it up considerably. So the devs looked at this and said, "Okay, fine, if you want to exploit this stuff out, here, have some badges that will take you as long to exploit as the originals would have taken you if you hadn't exploited them." (Except the 6th healing badge, which is crazy insane and will take me probably three years to get with my scrapper. A billion healing. I hate you, whoever made that one. With every fiber of my being.)
Man, it's hard to keep track of what I was saying when I can only see five lines at a time. Anyway. I love badges just the way they are. (Except the 6th healing badge. If I find out who's responsible for that one, you better stay away from conventions and public appearances, 'cause I'm going to kick you in the jimmy if I ever meet you.) If you don't want to work at them...Don't! Just don't bother with them. If you're like me and are driven to get them whether you actually want them or not, well, you can't really complain to the devs about your personal hangups, now can you? (Unless they involve a billion healing. Grrrr.)
As for datamining the TFs for badges, all I can say is...suckers! Ahahahahahaha! I knew they wouldn't be datamining them. That's why I didn't do any of them. The only badgeless TF I ever did was Calvin Scott. 
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As for datamining the TFs for badges, all I can say is...suckers! Ahahahahahaha! I knew they wouldn't be datamining them.
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Oh real mature. Kidding or not, that's just ridiculous.
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Some people asked me to post this as well -
You will not be able to /petition to get these badges if you completed the TF before I5. So please do not flood the GMs with /petitions trying to get the badges. They can NOT award them.
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Cuppa, take this message to the developers: Worst. Idea. Ever. Don't reward heroes for the work they've put in? Who sat in a planning meeting and decided that?
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Clarification - Monsters in TF's do not count towards the badges for those monsters (Adamastor or Jurrassic for ex). It has been this way for some time.
Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
**edited to read correctly - note on top of all that - Babbage that is in the TF will give you the badge - IF your group does the most damage to it - if someone helps you defeat Babbage - you may not get it if your team does not do the majority of the damage**
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Cuppa, you DO know how long and painful those stupid Shadow Shard tfs are? you cant even datamine those? ugh ill never be able to sit through those tfs a second time.
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You can bet I WILL petition over and over to get the badges I have spent over 100 hours to earn (including all characters).... YOU can choose to ignore me and not respond or respond you can't award it, but then you can read my reason for leaving post when I cancel again too. Consider your actions please DEVS. We can live through nerfs, but some of us refuse to be dealt bs like this. If we did the TF, we should get the reward -- period.
OK, I am not a developer, and I'd prefer they datamine for the badges as well, but let's not go overboard. There are several valid reasons why they might decide not do to it...
a) They don't keep records from all the way back in issue 2 - this would mean that some people wouldn't get the badges, and others would, so no go.
b) The people with the expertise to do the mining have better things to do - like get CoV out.
c) Something about the shard TFs makes it impractical to datamine for their completion.
I'm sure you can come up with others. Even if it is possible to do, it seems to me likely that going through every mission by every player since issue 2 came out could be prohibitively expensive.
So, dissapointing, yes. An insult from the developers? Please. If it were feasable, they'd have done it. That they haven't means it's not. If you did the TF you know it, and if the badge is of such overwhelming importance, well then it's worth doing it again. (although, man, some of those do take forever... sigh.)
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For an odd reason that can't be substationated, I seem to recall Statesman talking about new tracking technology that was added to the game with the badge system, to reduce the need for 'backtracking' badges, and assurances that after Issue 2/Badge release we shouldn't need to go back and do stuff over for credit...
It's just odd to me, given that it was certainly possible to datamine TFs for I2, even to individuals who did not recieve souvenirs because of the timing glitch.
I'll be honest, I haven't done these taskforces. I may do them after I5, I may not. I don't particularly find this idea 'good' though.
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Hoping that folks see and realize... Prolly not, but, umm, this is still a Dev Response thread right?
Let's Dance!
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You guys can't be serious about this. How can you datamine the game when badges first came out for all the TF's completed before the badges, but you cannot datamine for these new TF badges?
The Shard TF's take MANY MANY hours to complete, and this is utter slap in the face to everyone who has completed them already. The first one took me 10 hours, the second took 7, the third around 4, and the last about 6. That's a lot of time to spend doing something in the game and then have someone tell you that you have to do it all over again.
You know, even if it takes a long time to complete, I think datamining is a good solution, and it will make everyone much happier. It's really assinine to put somebody through that Dr. Quarterfield's TF a second time for no good reason other than absolute laziness. Because let's get to the heart of the matter: datamine CAN be done; you just don't want to do it. That laziness in my mind and unacceptable to your paying customers.
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Between the lack of datamining and the removal of all TF souvineers(I'm much more upset about that) there is no point in doing a TF that does not currently have a badge until I5 comes out and there was no point in any that you have done up until now that did not have a badge. You don't get the badge or souvenier as a reward, you don't get the story unless you are the team leader since you no longer have the souveneer to read, and if you are autoexemplared down to complete it you do not get any XP. The Taskforces are simply not worth the risk when you can do your storyarcs and get more rewards as well as story. I really don't see what they are hoping to accomplish by removing Tf souveniers and since they already datamined for TF badges once before I don't really see what they are hoping to accomplish by not doing it now.
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Also - after much pushing and shoving - we were told that there will NOT be data mining for TF badges. So if you did a TF before I5 - when I5 goes live you will not get a badge for it auto-magically.
I know - it stinks - I'm sorry about that.
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Why not? It worked great last time.
wait a minute, so you guys are gonna datamine for that supergroup crap so we can get prestige but you wont datamine for tf's, that doesnt make sense, but hey work hard not smart right?
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As far as your first response goes, if they datamined for TF's initially because there wasn't autoexemplar available or because you couldn't do them again, that's fine, but then why would they datamine prestige points for SG Bases? Why not start everyone off at ground zero like they're doing with these TF's badges? You're logic is off buddy, way off.
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My logic is off, 'buddy"?
I simply posted the reason I believe the Devs initially datamined for TFs.
You seem to believe the Devs will not datamine for TFs post I5 because they are lazy. I disagree.
_Synchrotron_ 's post,
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OK, I am not a developer, and I'd prefer they datamine for the badges as well, but let's not go overboard. There are several valid reasons why they might decide not do to it...
a) They don't keep records from all the way back in issue 2 - this would mean that some people wouldn't get the badges, and others would, so no go.
b) The people with the expertise to do the mining have better things to do - like get CoV out.
c) Something about the shard TFs makes it impractical to datamine for their completion.
I'm sure you can come up with others. Even if it is possible to do, it seems to me likely that going through every mission by every player since issue 2 came out could be prohibitively expensive.
So, dissapointing, yes. An insult from the developers? Please. If it were feasable, they'd have done it. That they haven't means it's not. If you did the TF you know it, and if the badge is of such overwhelming importance, well then it's worth doing it again. (although, man, some of those do take forever... sigh.)
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makes a few decent points. 
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Well, this one makes the "Lame List" as well. I suppose it's good there was never a Souvenir for the Shard TF's otherwise they'd be forced to datamine.
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They did have souvenirs for the Shadow Shard task forces. Unfortunately, they stopped awarding them about two months ago without providing any advance notice to the players.
So that means that those of us that completed them in the last two months are basically screwed. We get no reward whatsoever unless we choose to redo all 30 hours of our work.
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All Souvenirs have been removoed from all TFs. If you petition for one you get a support e-mail that points you to a thread here on the forums. It is not an official thread announcing the change, just a thread where someone pointed out the issue and CuppaJo happened to respond to it. It is simply the worst customer service interaction I have ever run into online. Not everyone in game reads the forums so they should not be a method of announcing things like that, but even if they are used in that way an official thread should be used. A GM should never e-mail me a link to a player created thread.
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Wow, now that is impressive and deserves a badge for sure! Could you provide some more details of your tactics. For instance, what did your group consist of, because whatever you say, I'm pretty much going to duplicate, lol.
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Off the top of my head, I think we had...
Warshade
Invul/SS Tanker
Rad Defender
Dark/Regen Scrapper
MA/SR Scrapper
Ice Blaster
And...uh... some other ATs. Can't remember since we did this about a month ago.
The big ones were the warshade who I used to fly and TP the rest of the team to missions and also to use the shade phase shift to ghost the missions. Just make sure 4 people have superspeed and some kind of stealth or they are really good at timing when Phase Shift crashes.
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