Thanks Posi
THAT is what we needed to know to understand why.
Cat understands.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Ok. that's a fair explanation. But I'd still like to know why we can't petition for it on an individual basis. In my case, I have the start/end times, character names, etc. It should be a simple matter to verify the information that I can provide then award if appropriate.
I understand your position so I propose this positron. Datamine the people with the 'souveniers' and award them for finishing the tfs. Then datamine those 'without souveniers' (2 months of data to mine), then whalaa you have very short time worth of datamining to do.
Petition A: I have such and such souvenier and should be awarded the badge. GM: Let me scan your file for 2 seconds... yep there it is badge awarded.
Petition B: I did the shadowshard tfs when I heard there was a badge and after the souveniers were cut off for no reason. GM: Let me take 5 minutes to scan your log in reference to the taskforces you said you finished on X day at Y time. Yep it is there badge awarded.
From experience most people logged the exact time and date they finished the tf so what the problem is?
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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... Alright, I can see that.
However, from a customer service point of view, don't you think this is the kind of thing that could have been foreseen a long time ago? I find it difficult to believe that this wasn't known by the developement and support teams some time ago, as in, months ago.
Why wasn't something said a long time ago about this? It would have solved a lot of hassle and saved a whole bunch anger.
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The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
#%$^#&@*#&$^^%#$&@#*$@* whatever no dataminning what poor more BS on your customers so they leave we already have enough nerf bs in i5 now more to come wonderful 
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Now is there any reason for both of those to be as high as they are? No. The only reason is to get people to play a few months longer to get 2 badges with no practical purpose.
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You know, I disagree with the idea that badges won't be datamined, but this post is ludicrous.
Take the following with a grain of salt, directed at a general manner of thinking, rather than a specific person.
If you're sticking around for another few months in order to obtain another two badges, then that's your fault. For pity's sake, people, take some personal friggin' responsibility. YOU are the ones that are hot for these badges that do nothing. They DO NOTHING. If obtaining them is the sole determinant of your continuing a subscription to a game, then you've got issues, man.
The badges do nothing. They're a diversion for when you don't feel like playing the game for XP or whatever else. If the diversion is the only thing keeping you in the game, and it's clearly no longer a fun diversion, then GO!
Leave! There's a whole world of things you can collect out there and you don't have to pay 15 bucks a month to do so!
It sucks that past badges won't be datamined. You won't get the souvenir for your trip to Disneyland, but the point of the trip to Disneyland is supposed to be the experience of going, not some *useless* tchotchke.
It's a crappy turn of events, yes, but let's keep some perspective here. Do the TFs for fun, not because your OCD compels you to. 
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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hire more people then what are we paying you for!
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You can read the story during a task force (or anyone's mission) by clicking on the i button next to the mission on the missions drop down.
Enjoy.
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I wish they would make a note of this somewhere. This lack of knowledge is astounding to me due to how prolific it is.
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You cannot read what the contact says when you go back to him after the mission. You also have to be on top of it and read the mission notes while the TF is going, and that is not always something people remember when they get ambushed before the mission. There is no way to read the info after the mission short of looking it up online. I think(atleast hope) that everyone knows they can click the i for more information, it is not the same as having the whole thing summed up though and there is no way to get the final message from calling the contact after the last mission. Besides forgetting most TFs are so long that by the end you are looking for shortcuts and just want to end the thing. It is hard to remember checking for story when you are in that mindset.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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hire more people then what are we paying you for!
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I'm pretty sure it's an automated query. They fire it up and it runs, day and night unmonitored, like any other query or search function.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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So let us send a petition and ask for our badges individually. Hell, if even THAT would take too long, then just give everyone that petitions about it a badge for it and be done. What's the worst that could happen... someone that didn't do the TF gets the badge for it? I mean honestly, would the world really stop spinning if that happened?
At least that way those of us that earned the badge would have it with the minimal downside that a few lying jerks got a badge they didn't earn. I think most of us could live with that.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Could we possibly get some sort of enhancement to the TF badges that links to the full story outlined in the old souvenirs? I'm thinking just a little green "More..." word that we could click on to pop up a window with the appropriate text.
I think that would make all of the Accomplishment badges more memorable.
Please?
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Hmm, did the datamine for I2 start while it was on Test, then? Just odd, swore the datamining finished within a couple weeks of I2 launch. I know I personally got my TF + mission badges by the 2nd day after I2 launch...
In any event, it sucks. Anychance of a timeframe for improving the Fun factor for Shard TFs then?
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grep -in "Congratulations, you have completed X TaskForce" *
result failed :P.
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Look. As I said. I don't really care about most badges. I'm not going to be around long enough to try and get anyone to give a frill about me.
What I'm objecting to, is both that some badges are directed at only taking up mass amounts of time to get, and that they are designed for only spawn campers to actually enjoy.
We could have a system where as I said, you complete a list of tasks and your group, your sg, get exclusive access to a indoor mission where you can kill the monster for the badge. It's an easy fix where everyone gets to experience the content, but no one is charge thinks this is worthy.
Look the simple point is this; I collect badges because I play my level 50 main. I don't want to play anything new. I can't get into a new character. I'm not interested in the old storylines because I've logged thousands of hours on my main. Somedays playing as much as 16 hours a day. That's me. I want to play for the storyline. There's no storyline though. There may be but I haven't seen it in the 11 months I've been here. Nothing on the grand city-wide scale that I dreamt of playing. So I collect badges. I collect a lot of badges.
To the point where I have collected every badge I can. No Halloween Badges, no Winterlord Badges, no Healing Badge, and missing the last sidekick badge.
I want to play with my friends. I wanted to make a difference. Yeah I even wanted to show off. Badges help do that. I can't use powers to have players look up to me (being broadsword/dark armor scrapper - least visible powerset) so badges at least let people see what I've accomplished.
Citizens don't remember my accomplishments. I'm not powerful enough to do missions on invincible (still stuck on heroic), my defense just got worse, my broadsword looks ugly, uses abnormally high energy, has a pathetically slow recharge, and attacks with the most resisted damage in the game. I don't want to be a burden for groups but if I play I don't have any choice if I keep playing.
So what does all this have to do with badges? It makes me feel a little better about what I've accomplished, and lets me show off just a little bit. Is that really so wrong? Am I wrong in thinking that everyone should have equal chance to earn every badge, including gaining by killing a rare monster on a taskforce/mission? I just feel more depressed. I could have understood if we were told the reasons why in the beginning. I could understand if we had an actual discussion. I could understand if we were asked even occasionally what we want and get it implimented.
Throw us a bone now and then. Tell us what was discussed specifically. I'd like to feel somewhat important once in awhile. I don't pay to be abused like many of us are. As I said, if I want to be abused I'll dial a S&M phone sex line and pay $4.95 per minute.
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So let us send a petition and ask for our badges individually. Hell, if even THAT would take too long, then just give everyone that petitions about it a badge for it and be done. What's the worst that could happen... someone that didn't do the TF gets the badge for it? I mean honestly, would the world really stop spinning if that happened?
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What's the worse that can happen? Customer Service will be swapped with people petitioning for badges they may or may not have earned and other people who are seriously stuck in a timed mission or are being harassed have their GM intervention delayed because of a badge.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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I understand your situation and, although not super thrilled about it, can understand the impracticality of such datamining. And honestly, on a TF where most of the members are exemplared from higher levels, it really doesn't take horribly long to complete the pre Shadow Shard TFs. The Shadow Shard is another story all together. With so many willing to accept the issue 5 nerfs, why are so many opposed to the badge nerfs? There is very little to be done about the badges, really. One would think that it would be easy to get over.
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50 Brutes: ElecMelee/EA, WM/Elec
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What's the worse that can happen? Customer Service will be swapped with people petitioning for badges they may or may not have earned and other people who are seriously stuck in a timed mission or are being harassed have their GM intervention delayed because of a badge.
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As if that's not going to happen anyway when people log on to find they don't have the badge they earned?
Honestly, please post something constructive to the thread or don't post. This kind of thing is just contentious and contributes nothing.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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So it will take years to get. So what? Do it anyway! Do you think my 1 billion points of healing will be comming around anytime soon? I can wait. DO it anyway.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Why can't you award the badge to those who have the Souvenir?
It should be an auto award upon loading up I5.
Sign It : http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Why can't you award the badge to those who have the Souvenir?
It should be an auto award upon loading up I5.
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/signed
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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Thanks Posi. I still don't like it, but this is better than thinking it's because you guys are lazy, or don't care. Answer/Reason is always nice to stem the speculation.
Cheers!
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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lol...
I believe the correct player response would now be:
"Oh. Well, nevermind then......"
How exactly does that indicate they don't want to be lazy by not handling each individual petition request. All they need to do is require a souvenier or 'exact' date/time that the taskforce is done. The problem of mining 'all' the data from 'everyone' then because a moot point and unnecessary.
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I'll pop in here so you guys have a new target.
The original Task Force Datamine took 3 months to finish. That was to go over 2 months worth of data.
We now have 18 months worth of data. We looked for a more effecient solution, but our estimates still come out at 2 years to datamine and get you your badges.
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...don't worry kids, they'll just invite us all into the CoV Beta and we'll forget all hard feelings.
Right? 
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How exactly does that indicate they don't want to be lazy by not handling each individual petition request. All they need to do is require a souvenier or 'exact' date/time that the taskforce is done. The problem of mining 'all' the data from 'everyone' then because a moot point and unnecessary.
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Because unless you were the leader you didn't get the souvineer, or if it was done in the last two months, there is no souvineer, or if it was completed oh say last December, how am I supposed to remember the date and the time? Let alone these requests comming from thousand of people, ontop of the regular everyday requests. I can imagine trying to sort various claims comming from thousands of people would be quite time consuming. I don't like it, but I would rather they spend the resources and money on something else.
Cheers!
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I am about this)
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No you will not lose existing badges - the new ones that are brought in SS TF and Moonfire will not be awarded retroactively
OK I am making plans on Triumph to basically skip through the Quaterfield TF with 4 invis players clicking glowies on those missions that this can be done on.
I have seen it claimed as being done in a couple of hours using this method.
A protest by getting the badge by not really doing the TF.
I urge all to take this approach.
(Now knowing what I content Freak I am - this is a flippin Huge Step, and shows how
Rabble Rabble
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I'm pretty sure that Rularuu can see through stealth right? If not, then this is an awesome idea and something that I would want to test out.
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Correct. Stealthing by rularuu = insta death AND perma aggro. If you get tp'd and rez, guess what, ambush time.