Incarnates: Mythology Connection?
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40Thieves,
Posted on: 2005-05-20 15:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Another explanation is, how can a controller, emp defender or non-brute player be natural? Well, if we use 10 percent of our brains, than perhaps we also use 10 percent of our bodies, Add up these two 90 percents = a big ol' blast of laser beam coming out me eyes!
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Nit: The 10% of our brains thing is a load of hogwash. Oft repeated idiocy. It might be /slightly/ closer to say we use a small percentage of our brains at any one time (and by that I mean that in any give microsecond, a small percentage of neurons are firing). But it has been well proven that just remembering things fire neurons all over your brain - we use it all, just not at once. Just like we use all our muscles - just not all at once.
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I live on an island that's so far out at sea that noone, not even Manannan mac Lir, can find it while living! Who am I?
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Arawn.
Is now a bad time to mention my teenaged obsession with Celtic mythology?
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Hurrah, someone got it!
Let's face it, I just love saying "and island so far out at sea that not even Manannan mac Lir can find it!"
Our state's founder, Roger Willaims, was said to have left Massachussettes in a huff when he was oppressed religiously. In reality, he was kicked out as part of that religious oppression stuff.
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Also note that one of Statesman's greatest nemesis is... ahem... Nemesis, the 'Persian Prince of Automatons'.
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Prussian.
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/agree We use every part of our brain but we hardly ever challenge its capabilities. I've always likened the 10% thing to having a Pentium 5Ghz but you only use it to play Solitaire 
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I, for one, noticed that during the Halloween Event... Fir Bolg? Most people probably think it is some kind of designer lunch meat.
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They're the bag people (trouser-wearers), of course! (Yes, another translation would be "spear people", but either would work from a cultural perspective.)
So what were the Halloween Fir Bolg? I missed that event. Were they neolithic, pre-Paragon-city inhabitants of the region who alternatively fought against and allied with the Native American tribes of the region who were themselves displaced by Paragon city's current inhabitant culture but were nevertheless later credited (in legend) with being the ancestors of a few prominent Paragon families?
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Actually the Fir Bolg were one of three tribes of slaves, that fled Greece. The Fir Bolg came in boats made from leather bags. It refers to thier boats not their trousers 
If greeks were the good guys then their slave gotta be the bad guys.. Dang celtic oppression of COH
The Hollween event was a trick or treat. you knock on any door and you either got a treat or a trick. Treats were either high level insperations or a rock a trick was typical holloween ghosts goblins, vampis, witches, mummies etc.
Also in the zones were giant monsters that were esstianly Razorvines with a jackolantern for a head. I missed most of the hollween event too. I was my new year and i take it off
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The vikings werent evil but carried similar beliefs.
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Well, more nitpickiness, but the Vikings were pretty darn nasty. They didn't relish battle, they relished loot. That's why many of their attacks were directed against essentially undefended targets: Coastal Villages, Monastaries and churches, etc. And they seemed to get a big kick out of slaughtering everyone wherever they landed, whether offering opposition or not. Viking mythology certainly glorified battle, but their actions simply glorified the acquisition of wealth. (Hmm.. sounds kind of familiar actually. 
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*looks up Arwan. Can't find anything about an island*
My ancestory is Norse, so I don't know much about Celtic stuff.
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Viking mythology certainly glorified battle, but their actions simply glorified the acquisition of wealth. (Hmm.. sounds kind of familiar actually. )
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Like "heroes" who powerlevel and/or whine for influence handouts?
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Viking mythology certainly glorified battle, but their actions simply glorified the acquisition of wealth. (Hmm.. sounds kind of familiar actually. )
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Like "heroes" who powerlevel and/or whine for influence handouts?
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Not what I had in mind, but I won't argue with it.
I should also note that the vikings were fierce warriors when challenged, but their history indicates they picked targets to avoid challenge when they could.
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FYI
Jack (i.e. me) has a BA in Classical Civilization, a MA in Ancient History and a MA in Greek & Latin. My specialty: ancient religion. I know ancient Greek, Latin, Italian, French, German, some Aramaic, Coptic, etc.
Basically, I'm EXTREMELY picky with mythology. Trust me on that.
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Ho-ho! Competition! I don't think I encountered anyone with quite the same (and more!) array of languages.
Latin, Aramaic, Hebrew (either one and any one of its stages of development), French, Yiddish and Russian here. Of course, I hadn't even gotten my humble Linguistics BA yet.
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FYI
Jack (i.e. me) has a BA in Classical Civilization, a MA in Ancient History and a MA in Greek & Latin. My specialty: ancient religion. I know ancient Greek, Latin, Italian, French, German, some Aramaic, Coptic, etc.
Basically, I'm EXTREMELY picky with mythology. Trust me on that.
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This begs the question, how did you go from that to Cryptic? There has to be an interesting story here.
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FYI
Jack (i.e. me) has a BA in Classical Civilization, a MA in Ancient History and a MA in Greek & Latin. My specialty: ancient religion. I know ancient Greek, Latin, Italian, French, German, some Aramaic, Coptic, etc.
Basically, I'm EXTREMELY picky with mythology. Trust me on that.
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This begs the question, how did you go from that to Cryptic? There has to be an interesting story here.
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I believe he came to Cryptic from DC - a pretty logical step.
But in broader terms, classicists are superior beings who are capable of doing anything. Classics represents the peak of arts side academia, and the finely honed minds of its devotees are perfectly suited to creative endeavours such as those engaged in by DC or Cryptic.
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So what were the Halloween Fir Bolg? I missed that event.
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They were basicly bladegrass with Jack-o-Lanterns for heads.
Man, that would be awesome if incarnates where incredibly diverse... you could choose a pantheon, then choose the diety you are incarnate of...
so cool. And to make everyone happy you could even have the judeo-christian pantheon be like... the archangels or something.
I would probably choose some old pheonecian god or maybe mithras.
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The only difference between these religions is the worship of Jesus as the messiah.
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Not entirely true. There IS a sect of the Jewish faith that believes that Jesus was the messiah, which is the sect that Christianity split from. And what this split was really about who should be considered as being converted to a follower of Jesus.
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Not is. If anything, -was- is your right tense to use.
Judaism formed sometime around 1500 BCE, and it eas a strict monotheism. A figure like Jesus' can not be accepted as part of the Jewish theology, since he is man and god both. This combination to the ears of a jew (myself, for example) is like saying that... well, Bush is Clinton. 
The sect you must be referring to are either the Eseens, who were pre-Christians (as testified by their writings, found in the Qumran caves) or the early Christians themselves, some of whom were indeed Jews. The Eseens could not quite be considered Christian, since the predate Jesus. On the other hand, the early Jewish Christians split into two groups - one assuming the the Jesus figure is merely a human messiah, as the Jewish faith views the concept, or that he is what the Christian faith claims - thus no longer following Jewish theology. As you can see, there is, indeed, a limited amount of commonality between the two religioins, though they certainly stem from the same source. The differences between them are greater than the acceptance of one messiah or the other, however.
For eample, when Judaism says that God is perfect, that does not mean that God always does absolute good. In Hebrew perfect is 'mushlam', the word comes from the same root as 'shalem' which means full, or complete. Essentially, it means that God contains within Himself everything, good, as well as evil. Evil is created by God, for His own purpose, and it is in no way the act of another entity (Satan, or anything else). Christianity cannot in its theological basis accept that God can have anything in Him that is not good. So, in relation to the greek mythology debate, the Jewish God is not in any way human-like, but He is not quite the one-sided deity Christianity perceives.
As for Islam, Muhammad left Medinah to Mecca in the year 632. His religion is the latest addition to the 'big monotheistic trio'. If I remember right, he claims to have learned the 'wisdom' (that is, most likely, monotheism), from the Jews. Allah (God) spoke to him, deeming his religion the final product and all his attempts with mankind. Indeed, as far as Islam is concerned both Moses and Jesus were prophets (though not in any way God-like). Islam, like Judaism, is a strict monotheism. In some ways it's close to Judaism religiously than Christianity ever was, but it is more on the status of a close nefew than of a direct descendant, simply because of historical reasons.
Ugh! I don't believe I just gave all this lecture.
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But in broader terms, classicists are superior beings who are capable of doing anything.
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I expect your quantitative northern blot by morning, in that case. Likewise, you had better have a non-fudge-factor replacement for the Cosmological Constant in the margins of your notes, right under your cure for AIDS. Likewise, you will be happy to sign a legally-binding document to eschew any sort of services from any mere "medical doctor" at any time, henceforth, in your life, since they are far more likely to have a mere "scientific" training than be classicists.
I'm only holding you to your word.
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*looks up Arwan. Can't find anything about an island*
My ancestory is Norse, so I don't know much about Celtic stuff.
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Arawn, Celtic god of death. He's a rather neutral fellow, doesn't deal much in mortal affairs.
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*looks up Arwan. Can't find anything about an island*
My ancestory is Norse, so I don't know much about Celtic stuff.
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Arawn, Celtic god of death. He's a rather neutral fellow, doesn't deal much in mortal affairs.
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It is true that he's Welsh mainly, the Lord of Annwn.
I have no recollection of where I encountered the island bit, though.
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you had better have a non-fudge-factor replacement for the Cosmological Constant in the margins of your notes,
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M theory
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Arawn, Celtic god of death. He's a rather neutral fellow, doesn't deal much in mortal affairs.
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It is true that he's Welsh mainly, the Lord of Annwn.
I have no recollection of where I encountered the island bit, though.
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I believe he's associated with Ynys Avallach, which translates to the Isle of Apples, but its pronunciation is similar to Avalon and some scholars think the island might be the origin of that part of Arthurian myth.
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Anyway, I'm interested in the answer to this. Arawn definitely applies but he did say Manannan Mac Lir, which is the Irish version of the name. Arawn is one of the Welsh psychopomps so his expected answer might be different.
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I just wanted to compliment you on slipping the word "psychopomp" into relatively casual conversation.
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Anyway, I'm interested in the answer to this. Arawn definitely applies but he did say Manannan Mac Lir, which is the Irish version of the name. Arawn is one of the Welsh psychopomps so his expected answer might be different.
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I just wanted to compliment you on slipping the word "psychopomp" into relatively casual conversation.
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Can I pat myself on the back for knowing what it means?
Pat yourself on the back just for being Mattman, and making this thread.
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The only relics Zeus ever had was his thundeerbolts and his Aegis shield.
The thunderbolts were a big help against the titans but the aegis he got after the war.
how he got it still confuses me
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(Sorry if this has already been answered - I skimmed most of the thread.)
The origin of the aegis varies in different myths. As has already been said on this thread, this is pretty standard when it comes to classical mythology. Here are some of the most notable ones:
- Apollodorus, Library 1.6.2: Athene flays Pallas and uses his skin as armour.
- Hyginus, Astronomica 2.13: Two versions of a myth one in which Zeus skins the goat which suckled him to create the aegis, and one in which he skins the goat belonging to the nymph who suckled him.