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Hostess Brands closing for good

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Hostess Brands -- the maker of such iconic baked goods as Twinkies, Devil Dogs and Wonder Bread -- announced Friday that it is asking a federal bankruptcy court for permission to close its operations, blaming a strike by bakers protesting a new contract imposed on them.

The closing will result in Hostess' nearly 18,500 workers losing their jobs as the company shuts 33 bakeries and 565 distribution centers nationwide, as well as 570 outlet stores. The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union represents around 5,000 Hostess employees.

"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," said CEO Gregory Rayburn in a statement.

Hostess will move to sell its assets to the highest bidder. That could mean new life for some of its most popular products, which could be scooped up at auction and attached to products from other companies.

A letter that Hostess sent to its network of stores that carry its product said it expects "there will be great interest in our brands." But it said it could not give a time frame for when the sales would take place and its products would be available again.

But even if those brands are bought and restarted, the Hostess workers will not get their jobs back.

"The industry has overcapacity. We're overcapacity. Our rivals are overcapacity," said Rayburn in an interview on CNBC. Asked if the shutdown decision could be reversed if the Bakers' union agreed to immediately return to work, he responded, "Too late."

While approval of the bankruptcy court is needed before the company can start selling its assets in liquidation, the company said production at all of its bakeries has ceased effective Friday, and that stores will no longer receive products from Hostess Brands after the final round of deliveries of products that were made Thursday night.

But products that are already in stores can be sold, and the outlet stores will remain open for about a week to sell the products they already have.

(more at link)
Bad enough that City of Heroes is closing. But this..... this will let the villains run on a rampage.



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Sonuva....now another thing to stock up on!

*opens empty wallet*

;.;

Edit - Well...so much for that idea. My area doesn't have a Hostess distributor (Little Debbie everywhere tho). No profiting on eBay for me...



 

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Though I haven't touched a Twinkie or a Ding-Dong in quite a long time, I will still miss them!

But just like Hostess purchased the Zinger brand when Dolly Madison went kaput, so too I think Bimbo Bakeries will pick up these brands. Bimbo's gotten pretty danged big these days and they already own several other American brands.


 

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And once again, unions destroy a business.

I used to work for Eastern Airlines. Lucky for me that the computer division was separated out before that and we still had jobs.


"We cannot work too hard, else the company will not hire more people to pay union dues". - pretty much sums up what a former co-worker (he had transferred to the computer division where I was working) found out when working in the hangar by actually doing the work he was assigned in the time frame given.


 

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And once again, unions destroy a business.
Then again, as Hostess filed for bankruptcy while blaming the unions for it, they tripled CEO and executive pay as they were filing for it.

Maybe Hostess wouldn't have had gotten in this position in the first place if they had treated their workers better to begin with. When the time came, those bakers totally didn't trust their employers to treat them fairly and with good reason.


 

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Nearly 1500 auctions on eBay for twinkies now. Right now those with bids are around $1-2 per cake. But there are some crazy people who have BiN prices of $90 for a box of 10. Then you have the downright silly ones asking for (pinkie to lip) one MILLION dollars.

There are other Hostess products up for auction but Twinkies are the big one.

Bankruptcy judge sets up new contracts for all the unions. Only one union, without asking permission first from the Teamsters, go on strike because they didn't like what the judge set up. It's their "we are staying out on principle" now put them and over 18,000 out of work before the winter Holidays. I wouldn't want to be a member of the baker's union when the other unions show up to lynch them.

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More food for thought, for all you union haters (I must assume you all sit on mountains of money while shining your monocles or something...):


 

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More food for thought, for all you union haters (I must assume you all sit on mountains of money while shining your monocles or something...):

Because now, instead of taking a pay cut, they are completely out of a job, during the holiday season no less.. And to add even more salt to the wound, many of the employees who lost their jobs because of the union strike Didn't belong to the union in the first place.

A smaller percentage of the workforce (Seems roughly 1/3rd belonged to the union) causing everyone to lose their jobs isn't right, no matter how you slice it it.

Not saying that Hostess isn't totally infallible here either. It just seems like opting for no job, instead of a pay cut, in an economy where people are having problems finding jobs in the first place, is pretty stupid.


 

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Because now, instead of taking a pay cut, they are completely out of a job, during the holiday season no less.. And to add even more salt to the wound, many of the employees who lost their jobs because of the union strike Didn't belong to the union in the first place.

A smaller percentage of the workforce (Seems roughly 1/3rd belonged to the union) causing everyone to lose their jobs isn't right, no matter how you slice it it.

Not saying that Hostess isn't totally infallible here either. It just seems like opting for no job, instead of a pay cut, in an economy where people are having problems finding jobs in the first place, is pretty stupid.
Executives: "We'll force the union guys to take an 8% pay cut while we increase our own executive salaries by 35% or more, even while we're filing bankruptcy! Bwahaha! We deserve this!"

Union: "You already pay us less than everyone else doing our job, and you've illegally stopped paying into our pensions. You know what? No."

Executives: "But, you can't do that!"

Union: "We just did."

Executives: "Press, look at how mean the union is being to us poor executives! If they don't do what we want, we'll shut everything down, and it's somehow their fault because UNION!"

Union: "You know how people like you are always saying saying, 'If you don't like the job, just leave?' Yeah, that."


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is there protest against Hostess now on the other side?


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If Clinton was still president, he'd offer them a bailout.

If Obama tries that, his heath-nut wife will slap him.


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Not saying that Hostess isn't totally infallible here either. It just seems like opting for no job, instead of a pay cut, in an economy where people are having problems finding jobs in the first place, is pretty stupid.
This is historically called peonage. You ain't free to quit so you take what the Man is offering.



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This is historically called peonage. You ain't free to quit so you take what the Man is offering.
Zug zug...



 

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I've seen both unions and management make some pretty boneheaded demands at various jobs I've had so I've learned not to listen to the propaganda from either side. The truth almost always lies somewhere between what each side is claiming.


 

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I've seen both unions and management make some pretty boneheaded demands at various jobs I've had so I've learned not to listen to the propaganda from either side. The truth almost always lies somewhere between what each side is claiming.
Almost universally. Unions started out a great idea but have turned into an entirely different beast now, while buisnesses do whatever they can to spin a story in their favor. Sometimes you get a nice, easy black and white, but usually it turns into a bunch of finely worded arguments that don't really cover everything that then get twisted into something else, with everyone pointing fingers at everyone else.


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The bakers union accounted for only 5000 jobs and it only took a majority of them to put 18,500 people out of work. The remaining union members were Teamsters and they weren't consulted when the bakers walked out last week. They took the pay cut.

If the bakers were unhappy, they could have just quit, the outcome would be the same for them without dragging everyone else down with them. But hey, spread the suffering.

Yes, Hostess has been managed terribly for years. But you don't mutiny a ship while it's sinking. Everyone goes down.

I figure within a year we'll be seeing Twinkies again, after it's brand gets bought at auction by PepsiCo or one of the other super food conglomerates. Hostess also owned Drakes and a lot of other brands that they accumulated over the years. There is going to be a lot of freed up shelf space at the market over the next few months.


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Yes, Hostess has been managed terribly for years. But you don't mutiny a ship while it's sinking. Everyone goes down.
Still blaming the victim, I see. This particular ship would not have been in trouble in the first place if the ones in charge actually treated their workers fairly to begin with.


 

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I've seen both unions and management make some pretty boneheaded demands at various jobs I've had so I've learned not to listen to the propaganda from either side. The truth almost always lies somewhere between what each side is claiming.
Yep, we've now got some nice biased nonsense from both sides. The simple facts are as follows:
1) Workers are sometimes abused by greedy companies and need to be protected.
2) More than one company has been destroyed by greedy unions.

There SHOULD be a happy middle ground, but it's against human nature. If management has the upper hand, it's human nature to underpay and overwork people. If the unions have the upper hand, it's human nature to get every benefit possible, even if the company can't afford it.


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Still blaming the victim, I see. This particular ship would not have been in trouble in the first place if the ones in charge actually treated their workers fairly to begin with.
Or the unions abused whatever power they had, just like the auto workers unions. Every car made by the big three had something like $2500 of extra costs due to the unions. This made them a failing proposition on the world market.

We get that you support the workers in this case. But the rest of us don't actually know who is to blame.


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Still blaming the victim, I see. This particular ship would not have been in trouble in the first place if the ones in charge actually treated their workers fairly to begin with.
The ship would probably still have been in trouble. American attitudes towards food has been changing. The kinds of products Hostess has been selling have fallen out of favor amongst a section of the populace. Sure, there's a lot of people that would still eat them regularly, but the loss of the other buyers sure didn't help matters.

It's not simply a matter of treating workers fairly if no one is buying your products in the first place. And given the economic downturn of the last few years would make buying a box of twinkies a luxury that was probably said "No" to more often than not.



 

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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of the anti-managment bias being presented in this thread stems from raw nerves over the way this game was shut down.


 

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The kinds of products Hostess has been selling have fallen out of favor amongst a section of the populace. Sure, there's a lot of people that would still eat them regularly, but the loss of the other buyers sure didn't help matters.
Hostess makes a lot more than just the snack cakes. I just returned from the store where they had a sign next to my preferred bread -- Home Pride wheat -- saying the supplier had gone out of business. There's only one bakery that could be. I've never paid any attention to that, but apparently Hostess is actually known as Interstate Bakeries (or some version of that name) since 1930.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostess_Brands#Brands


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