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As I said earlier, you have to lead by example. Cut the salary of your employees and then give yourself a pay raise? That's idiotic. It creates a hostile relationship, so the next time you need to do something to save the company, the workers are just going to assume you're lying. Even the UAW and Teacher's union has seen the light in recent years, but only in areas where they've been treated fairly. This combative "us v. them" mentality is killing companies.
This. Totally. I don't get why anyone continues to blame the baker's union when they had already stopped trusting the guys in the monkey suits. They had to take care of their own because it was clear that no one else was going to! If the suits running Hostess weren't so busy trying to line their own pockets and actually tried to help the workers they were dependent on, things would have never even gotten as bad as they did.

But yeah, easier to blame a bunch of bakers than it is to blame the people in charge, or something.


 

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People like to ignore the fact that there's money and power in leading a union. Union leadership are just as drive by greed as everyone else. Hell, why do you think organized crime has taken such an interest in unions? Because they're worried about worker's rights?
You think the execs figured that all the unions were probably corrupt, so it was OK for them to screw their workers over? This most certainly does not excuse them for what they did.

"Yeah they're all run by the mob anyway, so let's do whatever we want anyway!" Yeeeeeah... no.


 

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Just like I predicted. The bakers union spin doctors are denying facts and twisting statements into things that were never said because they can't accept the reality that this particular union carries at least as much guilt as management.


 

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But yeah, easier to blame a bunch of bakers than it is to blame the people in charge, or something.
You can try to blame those that bought the gun, you can try to blame those that provided the bullets - certainly, some of the responsibility belongs there; but the direct and immediate blame lies on the one that pulled the trigger - in this case, that would be those who were on strike.

Had they taken the pay cut, the company might've gone under a little further down the road anyway and then they wouldn't have been to blame, but since they decided to take the dog out back and shoot it they're directly responsible for shooting the dog. It doesn't matter if they had cause to do so, they're still directly responsible for it.


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You can try to blame those that bought the gun, you can try to blame those that provided the bullets - certainly, some of the responsibility belongs there; but the direct and immediate blame lies on the one that pulled the trigger - in this case, that would be those who were on strike.

Had they taken the pay cut, the company might've gone under a little further down the road anyway and then they wouldn't have been to blame, but since they decided to take the dog out back and shoot it they're directly responsible for shooting the dog. It doesn't matter if they had cause to do so, they're still directly responsible for it.
You know, in every post I've read by you, I have never been able to understand it fully. You really have no idea how to use metaphors properly.


 

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Saw an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal. It says the bakers union blames the Teamsters for driving up costs of the delivery network to the point that the business became unprofitable. Consequently the bakers were willing to kill the company because they figure the Hostess brands are so valuable that someone will buy them and whoever does will also want to by the production facilities and will then rehire the bakers. The Teamsters, on the other hand, were willing to make concessions because they figure whoever buys the brand will not want the existing distribution network so they'll be gone.

Of course this could easily backfire on the bakers if whoever buys the brand decides they don't want to work with the people who are seen as having killed the company. New owners could expand their own exisiting production facilities or even open new production facilities in right-to-work states where they wouldn't have to deal with unions at all.


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