An Update

FYI that Korean you defended ... was me and I sent you a PM thanking you.

I have never said everyone who posts AT Titan is racist. What I have said is that TITAN is. When an entity allows such things to exist and get out of hand...that ENTITY is responsible. If you do not want your organization to be seen a certain way then you need to make sure you aren't seen that way by policing. If Titan does not want to be seen as advocating something like the kibun; they do have moderation tools as well as a voice to stop it. Titan has key figures: TonyV, Mercedes Lackey, and Rae for example. Mercedes Lackey is the one who sent the largest kibun letter. Like I said...I don't hate her, but I think what she did was morally reprehensible. Do I think that because I understand kibun...yes. Then again as a Korean American I would never feel comfortable initiating something similar to a kibun from a culture I had no first hand experience with (Africa for example); regardless of what others told me or I found on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight I'm just simply going to say this once for anyone looking on who may not be sure, so that they can, at least, make a decision based on who they'll trust a bit more (or, go ahead and search the Titan forums as well)... I Burnt The Toast's claims are just simply not true, folks. I'm not even a big part of the Titan Forums or anything. Most of them may not even know me by name or anything. I did, however, follow many threads and read over there and there wasn't a single element of endorsed anti-Korean racism/culture-attack. There were some people offering insights and some doing research on the Korean culture and discussions about miscommunications on both sides due to some possible differences and discussions on how better diplomacy could possibly be reached by understanding and using the kibun aspect of Korean culture. Nothing more. Nothing less. I have a longtime friend who works as a diplomatic liaison and this is exactly how they respectfully go about dealing with people from all over the world. It's not an attack to attempt to understand and use the culture of the person across from you in negotiations and/or discussions. No surprise, but, it is my opinion that IBTT is just firing off overly-charged personal negativity at the people of Titan Network. I saw one instance of inappropriate comments one time (and this was before any kibun stuff had ever come up). I reported the person's post, I sent a polite message to a Korean poster that chimed in and the bad post (and subsequent replies) were deleted by the moderators very quickly. You all know how TonyV and the Titan Network people roll. Anyone reasonable knows that any such hateful actions are not tolerated (unless you're a catgirl... then you deserve it).

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Originally Posted by Paladiamors I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

The intent; even if humorous to you...IS degrading to people of Korean ethnicity. I'm sure some people think black jokes are funny too....or slanted eye jokes....or polish jokes...still makes them unacceptable to society as a whole.

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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter There's a difference between being hateful and being ignorant. If someone gets hit by a car, it doesn't mean the driver hates them. It might, if the driver was looking right at the guy and put the pedal to the floor. But most likely it's because the driver wasn't paying attention. Oh of course! Why didn't I think of that? Because all the Koreans at NCsoft, being afraid of electrical shorts from fans that are left on overnight, would scream, flail their arms in the air, and run out of the building, unable to return until the bomb squad came to remove the Hellish abomination. We'll just pretend that actually would have worked, even though a fan delivered by mail would obviously have no power going to it, and everyone present was awake. Or is this a robo-fan, that would plug itself in and then self-detonate when nobody was looking? I really need to check on what Titan Cybernetics has been working on lately. Perhaps Mega-Fan is finished. Wait till you see it. It's going to make typhoons look like a baby blowing out birthday candles.

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Originally Posted by Paladiamors I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

Again, to my knowledge the letter has not been sent - she had misgivings and wanted to wait until she was sure it was a good idea. I hope, based on what you've said, that it never is.

STOP! I DARE you to show me where I called ANY German a Nazi. I stated a kibun is like sending a Yellow Star of David with the word murderer on it to a German. IN NO WAY does that equate me thinking or calling them a Nazi!
What it does mean is it is a grossly degrading thing to do based off their past/culture.

I'm not sure if you are being purposefully ignorant or are just stupid and can't comprehend what I wrote.

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Originally Posted by Ogi Well you called all Germans Nazis. You're off to a good start.

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Originally Posted by Paladiamors I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

You are the first person I have ever ignored on these forums. I may be a lot of things but racist is not one of them. You do not know what I have gone through as a Korean in the US nor my experience with racial hatred towards me and my family. You have no idea what kibun is or how important it is to Koreans. Whatever you have read (or likely not read) on the internet does not even remotely portray the scope of it in the Korean culture.

/ignored

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Originally Posted by Ogi It didn't seem to matter which German company. It could have been any German company, and German person, you didn't care which. Or perhaps you're just going over the handle bars with this kibun thing.

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Originally Posted by Paladiamors I love you, I Burnt the Toast!

Woot! Now I have one less person to twist my posts.

Though unfortunately he won't see that German-Americans didn't have a fun time around WWI or WWII here in the States and will miss the fact that some people find Nazi comparisons, even in jest, just as offensive as he's making the kibun issue to be.

I'm actually going to miss these arguments. Even at the most heated, it's still a load more cordial and well-intentioned than the type of discussions you'll see anywhere else.

With that aside, with just a couple weeks left to go before the forums go dark, can't we spend that time supporting each other? We all have at least one thing in common here.

Some more than others.

Recent Marketing grad that I am...

I don't know what you are talking about. As a Scotsperson, I am contractually obligated to hate only the English.