I honestly hope we haven't given up already. Have you given up?

Denial is the first stage.

I'm on the atheist side of the argument in that I don't think there's a god. However, believing that and knowing that are two different things. Which is why I officially call myself an agnostic.

Some respected physicists say that Time Travel is impossible. (Einstein.) Other equally-respected physicists say that it is theoretically possible. (Goedel, Hawking.) I'm agnostic on these and I view them the same way I view the notion of a god. Maybe, maybe not; we don't know for sure either way, so I can't say. If I had to bet money, I'd bet on "no." But I don't, so I won't.




As I recall, Hawking says that "theoretically possible" does not equate with "probable."

Ironik gets it. *thumbs up*

Einstein said that? I was under the impression he was the one that said time travel is not only possible, but we are doing it all the time

Also: law of relativity proves we can travel into the future, although not to the past.

I also think he stated if you traveled faster than light you would go back in time, but that there are some gotchas like everything pointing at it not being possible to travel faster than light and even if you managed to make "something" travel faster than light, I doubt it will be a vessel for humans

PS: I suck at physics and never read Eisnstein’s stuff. I just love watching Cosmos and Neil Tyson’s Nova

You nailed it, but of course, it's always possible they're wrong. It was once thought traveling above the speed of sound was impossible. Today the problem is more about how we can travel five times the speed of sound and not crash.

yeah.

Even the discovery of bacteria as cause of disease and not super natural force was met with skepticism, even though Leeuwenhoek had a good reputation with the Royal Society, and his credibility was highly questioned whe he submitted his studies and findings.

Turns out the crazy guy that says that illness is caused by small microscopic sized living creatures that you cant see without a special set of lens was right after all even though during his time period, his findings were highly questioned, doubted, and in some cases dismissed as a straight lunatic.


Most things and feats were at one time thought impossible or wrong that are known possible and proper knowledge today.

Hell, we even seen examples of that in game where majority pan an idea and call it impossible or never goign to happen and yet, we have it in game now.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Delta IV rockets go about 17,000 mph which is about mach 22, a tad bit above mach 5.

Just to add, the sliderule designed SR-71 did mach 3.

Hmmm I may be quoting this VERY wrong, I just heard the story in passing, but I understand that guy didn’t discover microbes; he just figured they existed without any evidence... well other than an unknown cause (not unlike today's dark matter.)

Am I right to think microbes and bacteria did not get discovered until after this guy's lifetime? (too lazy to Google this up now.)

Also: being right is not always... well, being right. I read recently some famous astronomer said Saturn had rings out of pure guess from a bad decrypting about an entirely unrelated subject. Sure, he was "right", but he was not really "right." We can't entertain any plausible idea all the way just because it sounds scientific, not without some form of evidence

Also, unless there's some way to side-step relativity ala "warp fields" or something, even if FTL travel is possible, and ever feasible enough that we don't need 10 billion tons of fuel to produce enough energy to push a teacup beyond that speed (just think about how expensive and immense the LHC is and that's just for particles at sub-light speeds), the time issue would make it very impractical. We already have enough trouble just with Daylight Savings.

We'll just reverse engineer FTL travel from a crashed UFO.

Unless that's against the EULA.

I saw that u did there.

And don't worry about it. Under Klaatuian law, it's not really REing.

Just have a massive tax loophole that is only exploitable via the effects of relativistic speeds and the mobilizations of industry for beating the Russians to the moon or even beating Hitler will look like a lazy coffee break.

Wouldn't that be the UEPA?

nah he was also known for using his hand crafted microscope and recording the activities of bacteria and other. He is also known as the father of microbiology and the first microbiologist. died 1723. He discovered them in 1675, 17th century. Of course it took a few to get the word out. Of course antibiotics, and other things to stop diseases caused by bacteria didnt come until years later.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

200 years or so after his death, to be precise.

yeah.



Sometimes crazy people are wrong sometimes crazy people are right. But never know if no one listens to them.

Maybe we should have listened a little more to our own crazies and could at least tried preventing the shutdown instead of waiting until it was too late.

Now we have a splintered community, or what's left of it, civil war, cant talk about reality, cant talk about hope, cant talk about in between without someone jumping down ya throat, still only have speculation that are being passed around as fact under the guise as hope building.

If the community is walking into a new game whether COX is saved or Plan Z comes to the light like the way it is now, then it wont live up to the hype. It wont make it 8 years, it wont make money, and will not grow.

One of the best features of this game is how open to ideas the devs were, even those that many thought was initially dumb. Here, we got a side developing a game, but cant even be open minded enough to respect the other side ideas and views. How the hell are they going to deal with critizism about their hard work, other people ideas, and stuff that may not come from the exact inner circle? People talk about how disconnected the devs are in WoW, and CO are but looks like it may be the same for the new game that is being developed. Are they truely building a game for the players or building it as their own personal playground that they want to show off? WoW can get away with that type of strategy because it's huge now, and it wasnt known for that. Now COX was known for that, a unique thing in the gaming world, and from some posts, it is part of what kept people playing and why they continued to put their heart soul blood tears ideas into it. And this game lead by the closed minded is suppose to be the replacement of this game?

But hey, maybe people wont mind that aspect and will love the game anyways. But for the hype that has been put up they have quite a hill to climb. The must show impeccable customer service, must last more than a decade since COX was shutdown early and had Plenty of life left and that is one of the flak pieces against NCSoft, it must capture the spirit of the passing COX, yet it must be something new to draw in new and old players alike, and it must keep running, and dont forget updates, and thus it will have to make money.


And someone mentioned a smear smear campagn against titannetwork, funny that they should mention it but from what I can tell, no one here is going to the media trying to damage them, no one is trying to write articles to smear anyone, there really is not a single mention about titan network in a negative light much outside this forum, yet they are doing a lot more to NCSoft yet they deny they are running a smear campaign. I guess that person that said that havent been on titan forum in a while or something because if what we have here is a titan network smear campaign then what exactly would he call what is going on over there against NCSoft? Looks like what he is accusing some people here of doing except actually trying to smear them in anyway possible.

What that saying when someone complains about someone's bloody finger but their own hands are drenched in blood?

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Yeah, the current state of that version of Plan Z is less than ideal, and there's growing discontent and dismay at its tone and driection among normal CoH players - umless that changes, then I think it's likely that a proper attempt at a worthy spiritual successor to CoH will be made after December 1st, while the current version of Plan Z drifts off to become whatever it is the people running it want it to be.

Yeah, Einstein said the thing about relativity. But then Goedel pointed out to him that his "rivers and eddies" of gravity implies one could go around the gravity well and end up back where one started, timewise, or perhaps even earlier. Einstein originally agreed, then dismissed it. Hawking and Michio Kaku (among others) think that Goedel is right and Einstein wrong in this instance.

Also, the Kerr ringwarp implies that both Time Travel *and* FTL are possible. And, interestingly enough, supports the multiverse idea, with the side-effect of decoupling cause from effect. Without causality, there's no Grandfather Paradox. (The Grandfather Paradox says a time traveler can't go back in time and kill his own grandfather, thus keeping the traveler from being born, which means he'll get born to go back and kill his own grandfather.) The Kerr ringwarp is a black hole that's spun and given an electrical charge, thus creating a wormhole.

I honestly don't understand the math they use, but the ideas... man, the ideas are so awesome.

Delta IV rockets aren't what I was referring to. I was referring to hypersonic aircraft.

Some interesting things start to happen to the flow characteristics in fluids at around Mach 5 that are not present at Mach 3. Notably, the shockwave becomes extremely powerful, turbulence is dominant, and the air becomes chemically unstable. You end up with very unpredictable flow patterns, which can lead to characteristics that make controlled flight very tough.

On the other hand, rockets have blunt noses that are conducive to hypersonic flows. They can have blunt noses because they're either a) strapped to an enormously powerful rocket engine that laughs at the comparatively miniscule drag force; or b) trying to slow down, wherein the blunt nose is a benefit. Aircraft do not enjoy this luxury. They have to be viable at all Mach numbers, and none of them have rockets attached to them. Instead they have what are known as scramjets, and the characteristics of hypersonic flow can induce really interesting vibrational effects throughout the body. Interesting in the same way me hitting your entire body with a gigantic sledge hammer is "interesting".

In short, Bad Things Happen at Machs greater than 5.

The Alcubierre drive has recently shown promise, which should sidestep the time problem. Some folks are actually wanting to do an experiment on it soon - who knows if it's viable? I accept current scientific wisdom on this subject, but I'm not prepared to make a statement that FTL is impossible or even impractical - only with current technology would I make such a statement.

I would love to see where they got the missing knowledge regarding warping space-time...

Wanna know something realllllly coooollllll? You're warping space-time right now.

Ponies doing Ghostbusters LARP?

That... I didn't know about. That they're actually planning a conceptual test is pretty cool. I wish the article I found said anything about how far they are from being ready to conduct the lab experiment, assuming NASA has even given the go-ahead.

interesting.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Yes, as a function of having mass. The flaw of the Alcubierre is the requirement of negative mass to be able to use it as a practical method of transport. As a weapon, on the other hand...