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+1 that. again.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

naw it was earlier than that, lot earlier than that. Most of my friends quit the forum and avoided them. I was on my way out, then one said

"How are you going to let those trollers and flamers run off a forum, which you pay a monthly feeto post on that they dont pay for you? They dont pay more and you dont pay less. You have every right to be there just like anyone else and opinions are opinions, talk is talk, but only you can let them take thatright from you if you let them. You leave when you are ready to leave and not a second before. Just ignore them and keep it moving."

He was right and thus I stayed, and if you look deep into my post history around mid year 2010 or 11 and later part of 2012 there is gap where there isnt a single post from me and that was during that time period. Alas, I still havent conqoured the "ignore" part. But I plan on being here until Nov 30th. May not like the neighbors, but this is my home too.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I still spend more time here now than I do at any other game forums, even if I'm not spending all that much time in-game anymore. The thing I'll miss more than anything about CoX was just how friendly and mature the community often was.

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These forums have mellowed somewhat, but I well remember the days when saying the wrong thing would get one torn to shreds.

I remember one time when I dared to post the observation that EB Citadel had the ability to hit through Phase Shift. Oh dear.... the flap that generated! Unfortunately the flap did nothing to mitigate the observed fact that every now and then, [especially] "name"-EBs have to ability to hit right through Phase.

I respec'ed out ofPhase shortly afterward, due to its hit-or-miss nature, but still.

Then there were the several huuuuuuuuuuge flamewars over the merits or lack thereof, of kinetics people slamming everyone they saw, every where they were, with SB. Doin' a respec? *BAM!* At the Black Market? *WHAM!* Sorting out enhancements? *SHAZAAM!* Waiting for everyone to zone so we can start the TF? *WHAM! *BAM!* *SLAM! *ALA-KAZAAM!* It simply never stopped.

Not everyone liked that, and kins were very entitled as to their right to do this and they were hella snarky about it. Luckily this is no longer an issue, but just sayin' - this community has its share of unpleasantness, its hardly a band of angels and I dont kid myself that it is.

I remember back when Enhancement Diversification was implemented. I believe that was the biggest divide in the community since the games inception. Many were the name callings on both sides.

However, in my experience, what was the worst for these forums, was just a little more than par for most others that I have seen.

you are correct, this community does have its share of unpleasantness. It just happens to be a smaller share in comparison. No, we are not a band of angels. I don't think anyone has said that we were. Just that we were less abrasive than most of the other gaming forums out there.

I think there is something subtlety different about CoH. Yes we have our trolls and jerks. But I think there is a larger sense of obligation to help others in CoH that isn't present in other MMOs. Again its not huge, we still are relatively anonymous people talking to one another and that leads to less than optimal behavior from some people.

But people who like Super Heroes, who are playing a Super Hero game and role playing Super Heroes tend to be just a little nicer on all the edges.

I see people help random people far more often than in other MMO's. Heck lots of people street sweep just because they can't stand to see a hoodlum taking an old lady's purse, even if they are NPC's. I hear people all the time partially role playing and being just a little bit nicer than I see in other MMO's.

PUGs for all of their enormous weaknesses work so much better in CoH than in most other MMO's. There are some mechanical things that help this, but I find the average attitude is also better too. An example of mechanics of the game leading to a different attitude would be the lack of Hard Core PVP may also be less attractive to some of the griefer-type gamers.

This better niceness isn't there for all players, but I will say that CoH has always felt just a little nicer and more helpful to strangers than WoW and some of the other MMO's I have played. I do think CoH got more women than many MMO's. I think we got more families playing together than other MMO's.

Does this extra niceness make CoH players better than other gamers: NO. I think the genre and the mechanics appealed to a slightly more gentile gamer. Was the CoH community special, yes. But everyone is special in its own way. We have something that will never be exactly recreated. We can and should mourn the loss of something unique and special. I'm hopeful eventually another very well made Super Hero MMO will appear and a similar community will be enkindled.

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Wrong word for context purposes.

Here's my theory, and I'm sticking to it:

When it comes down to it, there's no game that not only encourages teaming like CoH but also makes it so, for lack of a better term, 'Care Bear' that its very rare that you'll have a bad experience PUGging. You have sidekicks and exemplars. Better XP and inf if you team up. Automatic loot with no 'need or greed'. Difficulty that can be adjusted and then steamrolled. Task forces that are basically repeated curbstomps. The most popular iTrials were the straight curbstomps, anything that required dedicated teamwork quickly fell into disuse.

Teaming and pick-up teaming in CoH was easy and fun. And I'll horribly miss it if it goes.

The only other game I can think of that comes close to the same sweet spot is maybe GW2. But you're not as much teaming as you're randomly ganging on open events, and I haven't ventured into a dungeon there yet either.

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Thank you for making me feel like I am part of the family.

Some of us are dyslexic and we do the best we can do. Spell check can only help so much. We can't all be English majors.

Well, I'm happy to say my experience on these forums have been very different from what you've experienced. I can't say I've never seen someone being a jerk on these boards, but they seem to be few and far between. In fact I've often been amazed at how eager so many people around here are to help and welcome newbies.

I don't have enough experience with other forums to know if that's unusual or not. But I always thought it was cool, and made me want to get inovlved in these forums, not avoid them.

And then there are those who play exclusively Super Villains...

It sounds so simple when succinctly put. Sadly so many MMORPGs have no idea how to come up with a comparable system to promote grouping—which should be the defining aspect of the "MM" part. Consider how Blizzard sidestepped the problem when it instituted the cross-server Dungeon and Raid Finders, which immediately began eroding the sense of community on servers everywhere. (At least WoW now has implemented AoE looting and has swapped need-vs-greed drop rolls for fixed rewards in dungeons.)

i.e. not as good as either CoH's PUG'ing against giant monsters or in world events such as the Zombie Apocalypse and the Rikti World Invasion.

These forums are like every internet forum: some letters, some numbers, and the occasional punctuation mark.

This I will give you.

I actually, thought there was a slightly different feel to the Villain side forums besides just the red backgrounds...

Honestly, I wish CoH had done more to flesh out Villains. I think it could have made for very interesting Raids. I personally don't like PvP, but I would have loved seeing Raiding in large party PvP. Maybe something akin to Counterstrike's capture the flag / disarm the bomb missions. Where Villain team has a different goal and the two sides attempt to stop one another.

Rarely are enough commas used; Too seldom do we find a semicolon.

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Hehe, honestly, I think (if there is a connection between a nicer/more-respectful community and the superhero/comicbook genre) that those of us who enjoy the villainous side of the genre are equally (speaking general majority here, not absolutes) in tune with (and/or influenced by) the overarching themes of morality found in the superhero stories and characters.

The preference of either villains or heroes within those tales has nothing to do with that person's appreciation of the greater lessons found within such tales.

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@Zethustra

"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

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*Ahem* {in my best Jason Mewes accent}
WTF is (a semicolon on; ) the Internet?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville City of Heroes didn't fail, City of Heroes was killed. If a 747 dropped on your house, you'd say you were killed, not you failed to find a safer dwelling.

Yet you find a semicolon and go ahead and waste it now I cant find one to do this sentence right nor a comma not even punctuation there goes our last semicolon thank you for wasting it so warm day today dont you think

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@Zethustra

"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

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Let me rephrase with a less nonsensical statement, haha.

You say the forums are terrible and cite as your evidence the worst part of the forums? That's kind of bad logic, man. Seattle is beautiful, utterly beautiful, but if I looked at its few bad parts and said the entire city was a slum, I'd be wrong and/or misinformed. You can't tell me that the entire forums aren't great and then say it's because of Area X only.

TL;DR:

Saying the forums are bad by pointing out the PvP section is like saying "She's an attractive woman, but her buttcrack smells." It marginalizes the majority by judging the minority.

Whether villains or heroes, everyone must learn the greatest lesson of all: Emperor Cole is infallibly right.


(Good grief, I'm going to miss the morality system of Going Rogue. Just another feature of CoH that doesn't really exist elsewhere.)