Oh, They think they won...Heh. NOPE.

Disappointment happened the moment they made the first announcement.
What we do from then on simply defines what we want and how much we're willing to do to attempt to influence things to make it happen.

Honestly, I'm not convinced that things are very different now than they were before their most recent announcement.
So, on August 31st, they told us they were shutting it down.
We rallied, we made noise, we spread the word, they gave us an email address and we continued and they publicly addressed our efforts and mentioned the selling of the game, the IP and the studio. While their mention included that they'd exhausted such efforts, I just think it is great that they made mention of what we were seeking in their public address.
The things that they said don't really come off as fully believable (having a special place in their hearts for the company they sent packing with zero notice in the middle of all of this great work they'd done and had in store for us, shutting things down and preventing further account adjustments, preventing the developers from being able to do a proper sendout... and they say they want it to end on a "high note"? Hah! And then, after all of this, we're supposed to believe that efforts of good faith were made to sell and keep the team, the game and the community alive? After only a few weeks? What sort of efforts were made? Were any even at all? Or did they exhaust those possibilities before even making any attempts?).
Now we have the doom criers out and the news outlets saying the same thing they said August 31st. It's done. It's over.
We made them take notice and they responded.
We'll continue to do what we're doing. We'll step it up in some ways and we will see if they take notice some more. And some more. And some more. Until we exhaust our efforts. There is still some time before all hope is lost for further Paragon members' involvement. That certainly is the huge loss here, zero question.
However, we're not done yet. And there is still more we can get, below the best case scenario (regardless of who is or isn't interested in it).

No. I see things as being rather the same as before, but one big difference.
We're stronger now.
We managed to change the press coverage around to display what this community is about. And we managed to reach NCSoft and have them respond to us.
We're going to do our best to reach them all again and we hope to change their minds. It may not work. We all knew this from day one.
Never trying would result in failure anyway. We have nothing to lose, but our own integrity if we don't do what we feel we must.

You don't fail until you stop trying.
Even beyond just this game, this dev team and this community, we have something to fight for.
The fact that we don't think this was the right way to handle this situation.
It's their prerogative to handle it the way they want and it is our prerogative to respond how we want. And, I can only speak for myself when I say that, I want to continue to show our commitment to the same exact stance we took on August 31, because, that is what I believe is right.

I want to get an Atlas Park 34 up on Saturday.
Help us make it so.

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As much as I hate to admit it, I think JayboH may be correct. I've stopped getting my hopes up, as I feel there is nothing we can say or do that'd stop CoH from being shut down and never reopened in any way, shape, or form. NCsoft have made their minds up. They don't want to game live anymore, and they don't want to sell it.

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Okay. Your opinion, your perogative.

But if you feel that way, why bother posting?

Why not just leave the crazy folks who still wanna fight on, and go do other stuff?

Unless you have other ulterior motives for posting downer messages over and over and over.



-np

I hope you get a response. Wonder if it's for something snotty like maybe he doesn't want to completely turn this forum over to passive aggresive cyber bullies (you know like somewhere else). Or maybe he has an agenda he's trying to convince others of like he may not like an outcome, but he gets that when it comes to things out of his control he can accept a "no" answer. Or maybe he has compassion for his fellow players and wants to facilitate the grieving and healing process. Or maybe he is search of viable alternatives in a bad situation. Or maybe he is just as tried of people braying over and over to no avail as much as you are of downer messages.

I hope you get a response. I'm pretty sure my shut up and go away reply will follow in short order.

+1

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

This is true. No matter how much we win (if at all), NCSoft has to win bigger or else there's no point in them doing anything at all.

And in doing nothing at all? They still win.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Nothing to lose?

I've discovered, in life, that many people seem to want to emulate some of Bill Paxton's more obnoxious characters.

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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

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"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

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The sad fact of the matter is that I agree with you. If NCSoft won't sell the IP while taking the heat from a full-on public campaign by CoH's player base, the chances of them selling it after it's shut down and people have moved on is nil. They may pull up stakes and withdraw totally from the west within the next year or two (and they really should), but they're apparently determined to brazen out their horrible reputation until then. So be it.

Well, I still do believe that CoH will live again. EMU isn't the way I would have preferred it, but I agree I think that's where our efforts and time are best spent now.

So where does everyone meet up to volunteer services? Titan Network? TonyV should set it up so the specific part of the forum used for EMU is invisible to the general public; only those actually working on reverse engineering, etc., should be able to log in and see it. Granted, NCSoft minions could always eventually register as "fake help" there too (maybe samples of work would be required to "get in?"), but we may as well not wave a giant flag in their faces about it day in and day out meantime.

This denial thing is getting really old.

Yes, occasionally the odds get defied. However, those cases are a severe minority.

Also, this is no longer about "odds" per se. Frankly, it never was. NCSoft owns CoX, and all final decisions about it are theirs. Said final decision was made back in August. Everything that's happened since then is pure theatre.

The way NCSoft has handled the situation feels like it originated with some kind of upper management knee-jerk reaction to something to close it down - not a well thought-out plan.

I am quite sure they will not back down on it before November 30th. That would mean losing face probably and that will not happen. Maybe at some point later in the future they will consider selling it off though.

yea, I know people want to save the game but just as annoying it for people say Game over game over over and over it's just as annoying if not more when people keep repeating it's not over it's not over it's not over.
I dont mind it though but it's more annoying when some people complain about people saying game over and over but seem to find it not annoying for people to repeat it's not over over and over. I see each would be equally annoying. From a straight logical perspective of repeating things over and over regardless of the words.


I think the save the heros thing is a good thing and it's interesting to see the tenacity of the people. Although at this point it's starting to look a little less organized than usual and more like trying to internet bully anyone that dont feel great sadness and depression and not thinking about killing themselves over the situation. Really not a good way to convince someone to join the cause or even mention to someone about COX and the effort.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Yeah, they will sell it when it benefits them.

I seen a post somewhere where it outlines the benefits if NCSoft were to sell the IP. It touched on how it would benefit the community, the players, and stuff but not so much of how it would benefit NCSoft more than holding on to it for what ever reason they choose to.

Right now, it just dont seem to be in their best interest to sell it from a buisness stand point. If they can hold on to it and use it later in the future and know that the players probably will be running back, as many said, there isnt many if any "real" super hero MMOs. So if you are holding the last and only type of that MMO, I wouldnt sell it either unless someone make me a crazy nut offer that only a beyond insane person would offer high end range. So far it costs them nothing to hold on to it, tax writeoff of some sort probably, then they still can revive it later when they want to and have a player base of somesort that is looking for that type of game. Or maybe they are holding on to it because they may be actually planning on using the IP in the future, or parts of it. Or maybe they are holding on to it to save it for a rainy day when mess it the fan, they can go ahead and sell it then.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

The point isn't about winning, we can't. It's been about enjoying the fight. It's about getting in those few good shots.

Over the years I saw and complained about decisions by the devs I thought were hurting the game. Doing so on the forums was always what I knew to be a losing game. Never stopped me, and every so often it seemed a few people were actually thinking about what was being said, instead of just trying to get the last word, stifle debate, or seem wise by telling people what they wanted to hear. It's also funny just how many people who put their hands over their ears and shouted people down remain, and still doing just that.

Yeah exactly - nothing's changed other than prolonging the inability of acceptance.

Correct - which could also mean they are more poised to legally counter emulation projects.