NCSoft's Official Response to Us
Yep, we're going to respond like we have been since August 31.
They publicly addressed us and acknowledged the subject of selling... claiming that they exhausted their efforts.
Well, now we're going to let everyone know that we look negatively upon their "efforts" and we're not going to stop spreading the word, passing on information and working towards what we want to see happen.
The only thing that can happen is delays.
Failure only comes when you quit. Until then, it's just taking on each obstacle on your path towards success.
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Ahh, so coming here and telling everyone how their waisting their life in your own opinion makes you that much better? What's the cut off from spending time foolishly and investing time wisely then? What makes it okay to play a game at all when all the time anyone as ever used to play a game particularly as an adult - as it seems your message is more directed toward an adult audience - and not put it toward a more time worthy cause?
I've personally met people who believe adults who spend any time enjoying: sports, tv, movies, video games, board games, rpgs, toys, magazines, comic books, both fiction and non-fiction novels, and on it goes - are waisting time and all time outside of immediate work and family must be put towards more "worthy causes". So anyone who isn't as dedicated to this mindset lives foolishly and they often come off as haughty, and holier-than-thou.
I've been involved in several of the calls to action to help save the game, and I still hold out hope against hope. I also give money to a local shelter, volenteer time speaking and working with men from said shelter, monthly funds to St. Jude, sponser an orphan child in Africa - and keep ongoing correspondence with said child, and I'm involved with several ministries at my church. Oh, and I'm a father of two, and spend way more time with my kids than playing this game. But I still find small ways to help, and still hold a hope that something can change, because...
This is not just a game. It is a community of people, many of them wonderful. People have begun charities, met spouses, kept in contact with distant loved ones, met friends, lost friends, created written, drawn, and painted works of art, and so many more things. All of them spokes on a wheel at which this game is the center. My own deaf son has learned so much from watching me play and playing this game on his own. So manynew words have been adopted into his ever-growing vocabulary thanks to his interest in this game - words he probably wouldn't have spoken until much later if this game didn't exist.
All of this and more is why this game is worth saving.
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Far worse things happening that people should care about but they arent... |
Sink your money into the bum dieing on your street corner, help fight poverty...no you wont, will you... |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
You can't think of the big picture without thinking about all the little elements that make up the big picture. If you let those elements disappear one-by-one because they seem unimportant, eventually that big picture is going to be rather empty.
Caring about one thing doesn't necessarily preclude caring about anything else. No, I won't. I don't have enough money to give to charities that experience has shown me I cannot trust, and I no longer offer direct help for similar reasons. |
Good for you man...Good for you and the rest that think that way...I can always count on people like you and the rest. I am glad you exist. Thank you so much
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This is not just a game. It is a community of people, many of them wonderful. People have begun charities, met spouses, kept in contact with distant loved ones, met friends, lost friends, created written, drawn, and painted works of art, and so many more things. All of them spokes on a wheel at which this game is the center. My own deaf son has learned so much from watching me play and playing this game on his own. So manynew words have been adopted into his ever-growing vocabulary thanks to his interest in this game - words he probably wouldn't have spoken until much later if this game didn't exist. All of this and more is why this game is worth saving. |
This, my friends.
And let the petty insults a few send our way be absorbed by the masses of us who stand together.
I do believe it is time for a unity rally this Saturday... I'ma get to work on making that a go.
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Ewww, wait...oh yeah that place...what? I had someone try and RP ra ping my toon there not just 4 days ago..Odd stuff I tell ya..
wow this stuff ************************************************** ***
How can anyone ever trust and play NCsoft games knowing they will just shut the game down at any time. I will never play any NCsoft games.... come to think of it i dont play any other NCsoft games. Everyone should boycott NCsoft and show them who really owns them. They are nothing without us giving them money. They dont care about us the gamers so ** them. Dont buy or spend money on any of there games.
All I can say to NCSoft is...I am gona stick my ************ right in *********** and *** to your ***** * ************** *** ******* ***
you bunch of ***** ** ***** ** ***** mother ******* ************************************************** ************************************************** *******************************************
Dummy.
I'll see about throwing the official Bat signal up tomorrow!
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Ewww, wait...oh yeah that place...what? I had someone try and RP ra ping my toon there not just 4 days ago..Odd stuff I tell ya..
wow this stuff ************************************************** *** |
All I can say to NCSoft is...I am gona stick my ************ right in *********** and *** to your ***** * ************** *** ******* ***
you bunch of ***** ** ***** ** ***** mother ******* ************************************************** ************************************************** ******************************************* Dummy. |
Maybe you two ran into each other?
i've never had anyone try to RP any sort of sexual activity, and i've played on Virtue about half the time for years. That's even with occasionally stopping in Pocket D. Honestly, the most common RP activity i run into besides people chatting about general superhero stuff in character is "(("...
i've had more come-ons from players on other servers.
Some people have all the luck.
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*huh*
Maybe you two ran into each other? i've never had anyone try to RP any sort of sexual activity, and i've played on Virtue about half the time for years. That's even with occasionally stopping in Pocket D. Honestly, the most common RP activity i run into besides people chatting about general superhero stuff in character is "(("... i've had more come-ons from players on other servers. Some people have all the luck. |
Every time they ask someone if you are a girl in real life, ask for address, and how old you are, they would get the response...I am 12 and yes im a girl, and I live blah blah blah. They would show up, and a big creator faced fat bearded dude would answer the door and say, I didnt think you would show up! Pis sed them off, so this is what is happening now...go figure.
I had a come on once, from a "hot chick" heroine type.
I was playing The Pink Guy, who is a large dude in a pink leotard.
Some people are weird.
-np
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Everyone should boycott NCsoft and show them who really owns them. They are nothing without us giving them money.
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Bad publicity, on the other hand, might be more noticeable. Maybe.
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Editing just to acknowledge that I was completely wrong! Nothing to see here... move along!
(but I'll leave the actual post unaltered)
Well, CoX was bringing in roughly $800K/month revenue according to their financial releases. It is peanuts compared to all of the other titles (ok, Guild Wars 2 brings in roughly 1/2 the amount, but lets see what this quarters financial statements say to actually make judgement on it... side note: GW1 has brought in roughly $30million more than CoX over their respective lifetimes).
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I'm not joining in the debate about how small of a chunk CoH and/or the western market is within NCSoft's stable of games, but - unless I am mistaken - that 800k mark was whipped up with a bunch of guesstimates on things that we have no idea about and, more importantly, it used salary figures using all of the Paragon Studios staff and tied it to CoH, which is completely incorrect (even if the guesses on the average salary were close at all).
I have no issue with you personally and I have no problem with what you're saying other than throwing around that figure as a matter of fact.
It's not doing me harm, but it's spreading falsehood and possibly making you look a bit silly!
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
I think it is odd that you attack others for using numbers that you don't think are true, but you're throwing around that 800k estimate as fact... and it is not.
I'm not joining in the debate about how small of a chunk CoH and/or the western market is within NCSoft's stable of games, but - unless I am mistaken - that 800k mark was whipped up with a bunch of guesstimates on things that we have no idea about and, more importantly, it used salary figures using all of the Paragon Studios staff and tied it to CoH, which is completely incorrect (even if the guesses on the average salary were close at all). |
You will need to unzip it 1st, and the you are looking for IR_ Consolidated FactSheet_ENG(2QFY12)-public.xls (yeah long name i know). The important information is on the Game Sales tab of that spreadsheet (it is listed in Millions of Korean Won, so you will need to get your currency conversion out here).
What I did, was take the Q2 results (2,855,000,000 Won) and just go to xe.com and use the currency conversion there.
2,855,000,000 Won = $2,570,678 for the Quarter (3 month period).
$2,570,678/3 = $856,892 per month
This is *revenue* and not profit. This does not take into consideration *any* expenditure from NCsoft/Paragon Studios. It doesn't need to take them into consideration as i never mentioned anything concerning profit.
I have no issue with you personally and I have no problem with what you're saying other than throwing around that figure as a matter of fact. It's not doing me harm, but it's spreading falsehood and possibly making you look a bit silly! |
So, do you believe me now? Or are you going to dispute everything that has been put up to support the game in the past?
This is *revenue* and not profit. This does not take into consideration *any* expenditure from NCsoft/Paragon Studios. It doesn't need to take them into consideration as i never mentioned anything concerning profit. |
I was honestly surprised, because it seemed like it'd be the last thing you'd do... Hah! I guess there was a reason for that!
Again, my apology! I stand corrected.
And, for the record, I've never had anything to do with any business numbers in the past. It's not my thing nor my interest. And none of what I was saying was pro this or pro that. I was just surprised and confused... but, that is because I was wrong!
Sees the word revenue clearly now, lol.
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Doh! Revenue, yes. I sincerely apologize as I made a mistake. I thought this was a number based on those guesstimate average salary numbers I'd seen before (this being revenue though, that was just a brain failure moment on my part).
I was honestly surprised, because it seemed like it'd be the last thing you'd do... Hah! I guess there was a reason for that! Again, my apology! I stand corrected. And, for the record, I've never had anything to do with any business numbers in the past. It's not my thing nor my interest. And none of what I was saying was pro this or pro that. I was just surprised and confused... but, that is because I was wrong! Sees the word revenue clearly now, lol. |
How can anyone ever trust and play NCsoft games knowing they will just shut the game down at any time. I will never play any NCsoft games.... come to think of it i dont play any other NCsoft games. Everyone should boycott NCsoft and show them who really owns them. They are nothing without us giving them money. They dont care about us the gamers so ** them. Dont buy or spend money on any of there games.
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Not defending NCSoft's decision in the slightest, believe me. But its not like they are the only ones doing this.
With that said, I wish companies everywhere would exhibit a little more sensitivity toward the feelings of fans who have lived a second life in their games for literally years. To them its a 'business decision," to us its an eviction notice on top of having all our pets put to sleep with no hope of reprieve. Its kind of a big deal [understatement], and I think that totally escapes them.
We *don't* trust them. The problem is that ANY creating house will shutter one of their games, any time they feel like it. Its not like you can go from an NCSoft game to any other, secure in the knowledge that the rug will never be pulled out from under you.
Not defending NCSoft's decision in the slightest, believe me. But its not like they are the only ones doing this. With that said, I wish companies everywhere would exhibit a little more sensitivity toward the feelings of fans who have lived a second life in their games for literally years. To them its a 'business decision," to us its an eviction notice on top of having all our pets put to sleep with no hope of reprieve. Its kind of a big deal [understatement], and I think that totally escapes them. |
It was the perfect storm of crap served to us on a garbage can top as the platter. As yes it is clear that a lot of things escape them, starting with ever getting a penny of my money again.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Well, the real reason NCSoft is doing this is because...
Every time they ask someone if you are a girl in real life, ask for address, and how old you are, they would get the response...I am 12 and yes im a girl, and I live blah blah blah. They would show up, and a big creator faced fat bearded dude would answer the door and say, I didnt think you would show up! Pis sed them off, so this is what is happening now...go figure. |
The problem here has is not and has never been anyone thinking it would last forever as has been stated many many times now. It was the when and how. Right before an issue launch for this game, right after the launch of GW2, the literally overnight manner in firing all the people at paragon AND the entire last part I bolded.
It was the perfect storm of crap served to us on a garbage can top as the platter. As yes it is clear that a lot of things escape them, starting with ever getting a penny of my money again. |
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