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And NCSoft will continue to rake in massive amounts of money.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
And NCSoft will continue to rake in massive amounts of money.
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Just not anywhere that City of Heroes had a loyal playerbase.
The interesting part is that NCSoft will never see this post.
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Guild Wars 2 sales refutes that statement since it's sold in the same countries as CoH.
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Originally Posted by Matthew_Orlock
Just not anywhere that City of Heroes had a loyal playerbase.
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What brought this on?
"I have something to say! It's better to burn out then to fade away!"
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I'm not sure they'd notice.|
Originally Posted by Matthew_Orlock
Just not anywhere that City of Heroes had a loyal playerbase.
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For the last three quarters, the NA region consisted of 4-5% of NC's total revenue (likewise, CoH was 2%). With Guild Wars 2 now out, NCSoft'll likely see quite a large jump for NA... at the same time they killed CoH. For comparison, the original Guild Wars (which isn't sub based, and hadn't seen a new campaign/expansion since 2007) was generating about 1/2 the revenue of CoH during that same period of time.
Mind you, that's revenue and not profit.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Bite my shiny spandex.
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most likely the sheer lack of response on ncsofts part regarding this shut down (and the players media campaign)|
Originally Posted by Paladiamors
What brought this on?
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it is frustrating but with patience im sure things will come of the dealings the devs are doing
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I'm all for being angry really, but this is a bit of a flip flop on the OP's part. I am just curious if he read something or what have you.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
most likely the sheer lack of response on ncsofts part regarding this shut down (and the players media campaign)
it is frustrating but with patience im sure things will come of the dealings the devs are doing |
For the record yes, I am extremely mad about the treatment and overall silence on the matter, but in so far as saving the game, I still think patience and holding back the pitchforks is the best idea for now.
"I have something to say! It's better to burn out then to fade away!"
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I had no idea!
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Look, I'm angry, people.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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True but by the time GW revenue dropped below ours, GW had cumulatively earned $30 million more than us, which they burned through half of from then till now so cumulatively they are still up $15 million but now have a new game that's sold 2 million copies so far.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
For comparison, the original Guild Wars (which isn't sub based, and hadn't seen a new campaign/expansion since 2007) was generating about 1/2 the revenue of CoH during that same period of time.
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Whatever, Kitsune Knight. |
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
I had no idea!
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Mods, Zwillinger, whoever's watching tonight, please just nuke my thread. All it seems to be doing is entertaining people who find it mildly amusing how upset I am over all of this. Tomorrow I'm sure I'll have my ordinary optimism back.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I'm all for being angry really, but this is a bit of a flip flop on the OP's part. I am just curious if he read something or what have you.
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And, it was the article that Golden Girl posted today. Like people are saying elsewhere, we really shouldn't be taking it as any kind of new information. But, while reading it, I just got to thinking about how NCSoft has had no qualms with doing really shady business in the past; and I started to wonder how tightly they've gagged Paragon's former staff as far as the content of these "talks" go--or if maybe the content of the talks have nothing to do with Paragon's continued existence. My gut tells me we're being manipulated into sitting more patiently than we ought to, while the clock ticks. I just don't trust that these people have our best interests in mind.
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Maybe from you, but not me.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
And NCSoft will continue to rake in massive amounts of money.
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Please buff Ice Control.
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Nor me.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Maybe from you, but not me.
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Here's the thing: while NCSoft's silence is infuriating, unjust, and just poor business management, there is another group of people whose silence we are not considering: The devs.
We know that the Devs have heard us. They have yet to disappear off of the map, which means they have most likely seen our frustration as well. But they have given us no information other than to notify us that Paragon management was in discussions (and only discussions) with NCSoft and investors. [source]
Given the relationship between us (the community) and the Devs/Community team, I firmly believe they would have told us by now if they, too, had received nothing but silence from NCSoft. Because they would be able to; no response means no NDA about discussions. While they would not badmouth NCSoft, they would have the decency to tell us that a wall had been hit, and give us the opportunity to focus our energies towards solutions that did not involve NCSoft (few as they may be).
So let's give our Dev team a little credit: As many of us forum-frequenters know, the quieter the Devs and Community team are, the harder they tend to be working.
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I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
So let's give our Dev team a little credit: As many of us forum-frequenters know, the quieter the Devs and Community team are, the harder they tend to be working.
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Still hoping the mods will nuke this thread for me--I don't think it's helping, which means I wasn't helping by creating it.
But if you see this, Winterminal--thanks. Exactly the swift kick in perspective that I needed.
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Actualy i do also find it odd they have not responded on this....
Its not really like them...
I mean...when they discontinued auto Assault they gave me tons of email and support stuff....and offered me ways to transfer to some other game..
same with tabula rasa....
and when i quit AION....sheesh....still got stuff to come back....
but this one....on this game that has been around longer....not even a peep out of them....
I am actualy unsure what to make of this.....i am wondering what NDA they are being held by to not make any comments on this....
They even stopped sending me AION email that i would get like every 2 weeks....its like the silence has fallen.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Maybe from you, but not me.
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Why? Two words: Arena Net.
They're a group of Developers that have poured their heart and soul into making an outstanding game, a game that's quickly showing itself to be something special. The community is small, but it's growing, and there are more than a few people that simply love the game. Their only sin is that they, like the people at Paragon Studios, worked with/for NC Soft.
I can hardly praise our devs, while condemning others for doing the same things.
I can assure you that the people running GW2 are worried now. Success may not be enough to keep them employed, being outstanding may still find them out the door with no warning. I don't want to stand (sit) here and say we should leave them to crash and burn with us. If NC Soft had somehow decided that killing GW2 was the move to make, we wouldn't have wanted that to cause players to attempt to doom CoH as revenge against NC Soft. So, I'll give Arena Net my support, even if that means that NC Soft gets a bit of it.
Anyone that signs on with NC Soft after this, though, can go hang. They'll know the risks, it's their call to take them.
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I think you need to reword this sentence, as no response actually does mean that there's an NDA about discussions. NDA stands for "Non-Disclosure Agreement."
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
Because they would be able to; no response means no NDA about discussions.
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You misunderstood methinks. That should read as "If the devs receive no response from NCSoft, then they are under no NDA because no discussions would be taking place."|
Originally Posted by Scythus
I think you need to reword this sentence, as no response actually does mean that there's an NDA about discussions. NDA stands for "Non-Disclosure Agreement."
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And Cap, you're welcome. That perspective is the only thing that keeps me from flying off the handle.
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I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Look, I'm angry, people.
I know NCSoft will succeed, I know they'll never read my post. City of Heroes may have helped them get to where they are today, but now we're collectively an ant beneath their big steel boot. So thanks for your precious little nuggets of reality, folks. Really, thanks. I'm sure you're really helping the world to be a better place, sprinkling these little glittering turds of wisdom everywhere, reminding us what a success story NCSoft will continue to be despite sacrificing our entire community and history on its quarterly altar. But you know what? Bite my shiny spandex. |
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True but that's not to say that they would talk about it anyway. In general it's good policy not to talk smack about a former employer in public even if there's no legal restriction on doing so. It's the sort of thing that can make other employers decide not to hire you since they know that you may well decide to talk smack about them in the future.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
You misunderstood methinks. That should read as "If the devs receive no response from NCSoft, then they are under no NDA because no discussions would be taking place."
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So, why did you cherry pick that post in particular out of the thread? Why not one of the more recent posts, maybe my response to Winterminal? Would you rather have seen me stay in the frame of mind that produced this thread? Yeah? Nice try, but you've got to be quick if you want to catch me down on my luck.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
Kthanxbye.
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Just a bit of advice, dude. Joining the ranks of Lulipop and Kitsune Knight is not exactly what you ought to be striving for right now.
The rest of us have our sights set just a bit higher.
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THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!
(Original post has been edited for clarity and brevity. Just a little.)
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