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Tired of Being Nice...

Aggelakis

By Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2012-09-14 13:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Schismatrix View Post
Sharpening the torch and oiling up the pitchfork.
So you're expecting... vampires and scarecrows?

 

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Originally Posted by Schismatrix View Post
Vampire scarecrows, actually.
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Originally Posted by BricksTown Thug15 View Post
seriously what is with some people taking this so seriously.

The game was old and had a good run. Some people need a reality check that protesting like angry citizens will not accomplish anything. MMOs getting shut down now a days is just the nature of the beast and to be honest hearing about this game getting closed was not surprising in the least.
A tense correction - the game had been having a good run. It would have continued it if it wasn't headshotted.

 

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Originally Posted by BlueBattler View Post
Are you talking about what Zwill and Arbiter Wolf said? 'Cause that the last thing I heard.


That was nearly two weeks ago, and I don't think either of them stated WHAT the talks involved.
They did not, probably because they aren't allowed to. However, after the Unity Rally last weekend, Zwill (or another redname, can't remember exactly) said that our efforts have been noticed.

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It's obvious that we have to collect up all the money in the world and then buy NCSoft for ourselves, so we can dismantle it and then make CoH run forever! Muhahaha...

 

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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer View Post
Yes, this game is old, but so is WoW and I haven't heard anything about Blizzard trashing them.
Then you don't follow the news. Activision has been trying to divest themselves of WoW since late June: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/...-consideration

 

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"I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won't walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can't walk him, one of the others will help you, and you'll both be nice. I want you to remember that it's a job. It's nothing personal. I want you to be nice... until it's time to not be nice."





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Then you don't follow the news. Activision has been trying to divest themselves of WoW since late June: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/...-consideration
Umm, that article says Vivendi was looking to sell its stake in Activision, not that Activision was trying to sell WoW. And it was having trouble finding takers because Activision/Blizzard is worth too much money.

I haven't heard any news of Activision trying to unload Blizzard. Blizzard accounts for a third of Activision's revenue last I checked, and is still enormously cash-flow positive. That would be a brain dead move.

Vivendi is looking to unload because it has a lot of debt and wants the cash. Nobody is trying to dump WoW anywhere just yet.

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And this is the censored version...
...Yeah, and that's supposed to be the tip of your pitchfork? The light on your torch? Puh-lease.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I am trying to be a bitter pill. A pill that I want you to swallow. A pill that will make you want to take all of your sick-and-tiredness and put it someplace where NCSoft will see it more clearly.

One thing I've realized by watching our friendly neighborhood iReporter, and our Titan-organized events, is that passionate action walks; passionate forum posts only talk. Maybe we have eyeballs from in high places here, maybe we don't. But even if we do, what does that amount to? A hill of vaporized beans after November, probably.

We all keep arguing whether we ought to be displaying anger or civility right now. You know what? We're missing the point, and with it, a window of opportunity.

We should rage, plea, and do whatever it takes, down as many avenues as we can find, to make NCSoft see our passion. Anywhere but here. Stop thinking your passionate forum posts are making an impact on NCSoft. They aren't. They won't.

Now that we have some media contacts listening, how about organizing A GIGANTIC SIMULTANEOUS FLASH MOB ACROSS ALL OF NCSOFT'S GAMES? How about contacting real-world flash mob organizers to GET A CROWD TO SHOW UP COSPLAY STYLE OUTSIDE NCSOFT'S NA OFFICES? How about ERECTING a giant paper mache Statesman mask right outside NCSoft's NA offices, covered with 20,000 SIGNATURES?

Does anyone have any contacts, any idea where it's best to start putting those three ideas into action and make them a reality? Anyone? Or are we, as a community, just trying to make sure the wider news media won't ever find our antics interesting enough to show on the evening news?

How badly do we want NCSoft to pay attention to us? The answer to that question is, "How far are we willing to go to make them pay attention to us?"

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Then you don't follow the news. Activision has been trying to divest themselves of WoW since late June: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/...-consideration
That's not what it says. ARRRGG!, people can't read business speak.

Vivendi is a big French conglomerate that bought the company that owned Blizzard, Sierra and other game/educational software companies in 2000 and renamed it Vivendi Games. In 2008 they bought Activision and renamed this unit to Activision Blizzard. They also owned until recently a large part of NBC Universal (USA, Bravo, SyFy. Telemundo, The Weather Channel, CNBC, MSNBC, part of Hulu) until they sold their share to GE.

Vivendi is having financial difficulties and that IGN article talked about them thinking of selling off their stake (they don't own the whole thing) in Activision Blizzard to help Vivendi pay down their debt. The problem is nobody has the money it'll take to buy Activision Blizzard since it's estimated Vivendi's portion is worth $8 BILLION (of $13.4 billion). NCSoft, based on what Nexon paid for 14.7% of it's stock, is only $4.9 billion. While NCSoft had a total revenue in 2011 of around $550 million, Activision Blizzard had over $1 BILLION in profits, AFTER taxes, in 2011.

Vivendi isn't trying to sell their stake in Activision Blizzard because there's problems with Activision Blizzard, they are trying to sell it to raise money, just like when it sold off it's stake in NBC Universal.

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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate View Post
"I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won't walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can't walk him, one of the others will help you, and you'll both be nice. I want you to remember that it's a job. It's nothing personal. I want you to be nice... until it's time to not be nice."
-np
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I cant see the game saying on NCSOFT servers. While protests and rally's (yay AP33!) will let NCSOFT know the game has value, it might actually hurt chances of the game staying alive. They won't want another MMO to take up market share.

Its nice that people still have hope and are doing things that will keep that hope alive. But once all the positive ways to save the game have been exhausted people are going to get mad.

Personally I havent actually played the game since the night of August 31. I returned to the game back in July and was looking forward to getting all tier 4 alpha's and accolades on all my 50's. Now it seems like it just doesnt matter.

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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric View Post
Now that we have some media contacts listening, how about organizing A GIGANTIC SIMULTANEOUS FLASH MOB ACROSS ALL OF NCSOFT'S GAMES? How about contacting real-world flash mob organizers to GET A CROWD TO SHOW UP COSPLAY STYLE OUTSIDE NCSOFT'S NA OFFICES? How about ERECTING a giant paper mache Statesman mask right outside NCSoft's NA offices, covered with 20,000 SIGNATURES?
I can't make art to save my life, but I can chip in for the supplies to make a paper mache Statesman.

As for the simultaneous flash mobs.... do we really want to give them money by buying more of their games?

 

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Message to Thugs,you have played the game for a couple of months so you have no real feeling for the community or the game,possibly you a a free player as well.What you do not understand that when some one plays this game for up to 8 years they get attached to their characters.
This game has a very strong community and they do not want to see what they have developed over the years in the way of bases and characters thrown away.Now I know that you will not be able to understand this as a person, going from the date of your joining the forums who has only just started to play the game so you have not developed any feeling for the game,I think WoW may be just the game for you a community that is not worth **** would suit you to a tee.

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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric View Post
...Yeah, and that's supposed to be the tip of your pitchfork? The light on your torch? Puh-lease.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I am trying to be a bitter pill. A pill that I want you to swallow. A pill that will make you want to take all of your sick-and-tiredness and put it someplace where NCSoft will see it more clearly.
I happen to live but an hour's train journey from their Brighton office. I doubt anyone works at the weekend though.

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That's not what it says. ARRRGG!, people can't read business speak.
What business speak?

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Vivendi owns a 61% stake in Activision Blizzard, which it acquired in 2008. Activision Blizzard’s value is currently estimated at $13.4 billion, making Vivendi’s stake worth approximately $8 billion. Due to Vivendi’s current debt, it’s been considering a sale since early June, but was later said to be finding “little enthusiasm” from buyers including Microsoft, Disney, Tencent and Nexon due to the massive amount of cash required to make the purchase.
That shouldn't take an economics degree to parse.

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I happen to live but an hour's train journey from their Brighton office. I doubt anyone works at the weekend though.
Well, obviously there's another big letter-writing campaign going on at the moment, so, we'll discuss this later I hope.

But, I do appreciate you showing interest. Those ideas I mentioned a few posts up NEED to happen, or else something similarly showy. Seriously, writing angry letters just isn't that showy compared to things that could get us coverage on the evening news across the country. We have the people and resources to make something BIG happen out there in the real world, right at NCSoft's real-life doorstep. We have almost 20,000 signatures from Change.org that could be printed and used to help create a paper mache sculpture. Perhaps we could deliver sculptures to Seattle AND Brighton simultaneously? Handwritten letters and masks and capes are a great start, but we need bigger news coverage, but that would require bigger, crazier antics!

I mean, what the heck, you only live once, right? Other MMO communities are watching us with pride right now. If our community isn't crazy enough to do something zany, then all hope may be lost, not just for us, but for gamers throughout the industry!

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There's been some discussion of a charity-event protest in Seattle. We'd need to hook up with a local charity organization for some kind of drive or -thon or clean-up. Ideally we could also connect with the Rain City Superheroes for this.

Fundraising for a kit (tshirts, necessary supplies, cards for media, food for volunteers) likely won't be a problem. We need people in the area willing to coordinate this, though.

 

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What business speak?

That shouldn't take an economics degree to parse.
That assumes that got that far. I think he made the jump that if Vivendi is trying to sell off Activision Blizzard it must be because it isn't doing well not because it's valuable.

The same business logic might help to explain why NCSoft didn't initially look into selling off the studio and game. It really wasn't all that profitable so why would anybody be interested in buying it?

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I mean, what the heck, you only live once, right? Other MMO communities are watching us with pride right now. If our community isn't crazy enough to do something zany, then all hope may be lost, not just for us, but for gamers throughout the industry!
I'm glad I'm not the only person that thinks this is more important than just CoH. As much as I love this game, the industry in general needs to learn they can't treat customers like this. NCSoft being the biggest offender.

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I mean, what the heck, you only live once, right? Other MMO communities are watching us with pride right now. If our community isn't crazy enough to do something zany, then all hope may be lost, not just for us, but for gamers throughout the industry!
So what you're saying is, someone should try to spawn Kronos onto NCSoft's headquarters.

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So what you're saying is, someone should try to spawn Kronos onto NCSoft's headquarters.
*Adds that to his list of ideas*

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So what you're saying is, someone should try to spawn Kronos onto NCSoft's headquarters.
But then that will ruin the raid we have planned and then the HQ will go all yellow dawn on us.