Discussion: Issue 24: Resurgence Overview Page is Live!
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Posted on: 2012-08-07 08:50 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Yeah, I24 is full of Battalion content now that Praetoria's been finished off.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Actually it did feel like I23 was a rush job to cap off the story and box Praetoria up so they could move on to Battalion.
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| And we've got the devs saying fan reception to Praetoria wasn't what they'd hoped so it was time to press on. |
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Two plus years even if we had been digging it is too long. Major other parts of the game lore were patently ignored at that time.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Actually it did feel like I23 was a rush job to cap off the story and box Praetoria up so they could move on to Battalion. Pendragon, Shadowhunter, the whole excalibur thing felt pretty shoe horned in to accommodate the Magi trial because it came out of nowhere and there was very little lead up to it. And we've got the devs saying fan reception to Praetoria wasn't what they'd hoped so it was time to press on.
Basically if we'd actually been digging Praetoria it might have gone on longer. I'd imagine, honestly, if they had a longer time frame to work with that Night Ward would have been in I23 and maybe a different trial, while the Emperor's Sword and Magisterium would have moved to I24 and the new stuff we're getting now would be I25 or would've been added as some of the 'aftermath' of the Magisterium. but yeah I can totally see why people think it was rushed. For a climax it feels very rushed and sudden. it may not be an -accurate- perception, but it is a prevailing perception among the playerbase (among others). |
I'm glad they quickly capped it in I23. Honestly no matter what the "Cole Trial" looked like he was getting a quick beatdown.
He literally had no one else to back him up after we beat all his other allies into paste.
The prevailing perception is also that the entire thing was dragged on waaaaay too long in terms of number of trials and content.
I'm glad DA took a slight side attempt at focusing on something else for a bit.
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With that said the Praetorian storyline is actually NOT technically over.
The quick defeat of Cole is NOT the end of that storyline.
It's ONLY the end of the tyranny and Praetor rule over there. However the survivors over there (and possibly soon Primal Earth) have one more thing to worry about.
Two words: Praetorian Hamidon.
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Cole's defeat was the climax. Now we're left with the falling action and the implications of his fall. It's true that it isn't 'finished' in that Praetoria is pretty much a part of the setting from here on and it's likely that we'll see bits and pieces of it continue on into the setting's future for quite a while.
I would not expect Praetorian Hamidon to be a major threat for a while though. At least from what's in I24, it seems like we're going to see more Devouring Earth forces and deal with the Avatar (or multiple Avatars) in the new Incarnate Story arc, possibly the Brickstown/St. Martial arcs. But we're not going to see a new Trial or Raid involving the big monster himself and he would most certainly get his own trial/raid. It's probably being left open explicitly so it can be revisited later.
I dunno, we'll see! I'm just saying, I can understand the perception that the climax felt rushed.
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Oh I didn't mean I24 would bring the trial.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Cole's defeat was the climax. Now we're left with the falling action and the implications of his fall. It's true that it isn't 'finished' in that Praetoria is pretty much a part of the setting from here on and it's likely that we'll see bits and pieces of it continue on into the setting's future for quite a while.
I would not expect Praetorian Hamidon to be a major threat for a while though. At least from what's in I24, it seems like we're going to see more Devouring Earth forces and deal with the Avatar (or multiple Avatars) in the new Incarnate Story arc, possibly the Brickstown/St. Martial arcs. But I don't think we're going to see a new Trial or Raid involving him. |
What I mean is the arcs involving the DE and Avatar are setting up for a FUTURE issue with the Prae Hamidon.
I expect we'll be knee deep in fighting a new intergalactic threat when the first tentacle from that other dimension comes a calling. Perfect time to hear from him/it/she when we're busy fighting something that makes Cole's group look like kindergarteners, amiright?
EDIT: As an aside I get why folks say the climax felt rushed. My counter is I'm glad it was rushed. It was getting to the point of "enough already".
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Yeah I can see Praetorian Hamidon being a Dark Astoria like event during the Battalion arc.
I'm still holding out hope for a 40-50 Prae zone sometime XD
I wonder if we might get to meet Tyrant in the Zig, unless the Vanguard are holding him someplace else, like they did with Battle Maiden?
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yeah because her holding cell worked so well.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I wonder if we might get to meet Tyrant in the Zig, unless the Vanguard are holding him someplace else, like they did with Battle Maiden?
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Can I claim just a teeny bit of bragging rights in relation to these changes?
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=251403
Proof that, contrary to popular belief, the devs DO read the S&I section. Sounds like it's getting the -res proc I suggested as well.
And if the set bonuses end up how I suggested them, I have to say: D'oh!
I could use the S/L defense bonus on my scrapper.......but his TAoE is Shockwave and I need the KB->KD proc as well.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
With all these changes...
A New TAoE set
New Set Bonuses
New Proc System
Changes to lackluster procs
Nuke Changes
New perspective of blast sets
"Tier 3" ST Blasts getting a boost
New Powers in our Power Pools
Blaster Secondaries changes
A New Dom secondary
and MORE!?!
I...I just have to wait until Beta hits...this is probably the biggest game changer (literally) issue wise for me since I'm a Ranged Toon Player.
All of my builds in mids will have to be redone! Which isn't a bad thing!
I can't even make any true I24 builds because the changes are so great that most of my current builds will be moot.
This is issue is made of pure win.
here is a crazy thought , have the new purple sets only drop in Itrials and or IZones.
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They aren't purple, as far as we've seen. Well, the def/res/heal ones might conceivably be, but the TAoE one almost definitely isn't, since we already have a purple TAoE set.|
Originally Posted by MadHobbit
here is a crazy thought , have the new purple sets only drop in Itrials and or IZones.
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Also, yes, that IS a crazy thought.
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
here is a crazy thought , have the new purple sets only drop in Itrials and or IZones.
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lets set your code to only receive them there...
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So after sleepin on it, evnethough I still thought the story wasn't long enough it needed to end. But if its confirmed that tyrant is still alive and locked up. You know what that means for the story line !!?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Yeah, I24 is full of Battalion content now that Praetoria's been finished off.
No we've not |
That means when prae hami comes knocking we can potentially have statesman back
but a more kick *** version. I just hope the build up to it takes a while I mean at least 5-10 issues. To make it that much jucy. Like the can have lil spores comming over from the vills raiding prae for tech. And meeting up with our hammi to make an interdimentional monster alliance. Idk lol but I like prae lore. Only thing can top that lore is councle/nictus kheldian stuff..
Back on topic, where's ma kheld costumization
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BAB: "I tell you, I'm the real Back Ally Brawler! That guy out there is a Praetorian imposter!"|
Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
Yeah, it'd be weird for Marauder to instantly jump from Praetor to trainer of Primal heroes. Especially with Back Alley Brawler twiddling his thumbs inside the Atlas Park PPD station.
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Well, they certainly used the name you suggested, which does indicate they took your thread into account. Mine's older, but being "first" doesn't mean much if I got lost in the signal-to-noise ratio. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Only if I can too
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=251403 Proof that, contrary to popular belief, the devs DO read the S&I section. Sounds like it's getting the -res proc I suggested as well. And if the set bonuses end up how I suggested them, I have to say: D'oh! I could use the S/L defense bonus on my scrapper.......but his TAoE is Shockwave and I need the KB->KD proc as well. |
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Praetorian Hamidon has yet to be addressed, but with SSA 1 concluded can we count the Shadow Shard out of the fight? I'm sure a race of extra dimensional creatures would like a shot at Praetoria and another swing at Primal Earth.
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It actually did. She never managed to escape on her own, nor did anyone even know she was being held there. The only reason she got out was because Malta were actually written to be Malta for once; an organization that has infiltrated military organizations, works from the shadows, and are more focused on subtle espionage than throwing a million robots and goons at a problem.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
yeah because her holding cell worked so well.
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Hopefully, St. Martial. |
Originally Posted by Dr. Aeon
Marauder is not replacing Ms. Liberty in Atlas Park. However, he will appear somewhere with the use of phasing technology.
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Or Brickstown... as a guy we have to stop in the Prison Break zone event.
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Vanguard put him in a cell with Wade. Budget cuts.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I wonder if we might get to meet Tyrant in the Zig, unless the Vanguard are holding him someplace else, like they did with Battle Maiden?
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Agree wholeheartedly. Even after 7 years I still love playing and I keep going back for more, but this issue has me really excited.|
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Speechless. The most impressive looking issue in years.
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I can comment on your first question. The blasts that received a range increase were the 40 foot blasts. Below is a list of powers that are affected in the current build and have had their range increased to the standard 80 feet.|
Originally Posted by Machariel
These all look like really good changes and I am very, very, very excited. Especially Ancillary/Patron/Power Pool customization.
I do have a question: The Overview page mentions changes to some blasts (increasing range) and to snipe powers in reference to Blasters only. Will Dominator/Corruptor/Defender versions of Blaze, etc also get the range increase? What about the fast-snipe with 22% tohit? I know there had been some talk about making Dominator snipes faster not with a tohit requirement, but under Domination - what happened with that? |
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Also, it looks like any such powers in Dominator Assault sets had their range increased as well.
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I was thinking the same thing while looking at the epic patch notes we have compiled internally thus far. O_O|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
With all these changes, I kind of feel sorry for the people in charge of Mids'...
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We'll have to agree to disagree that the work OR story was rushed.
If anything a majority of the people on the forums had been saying that the Praetorian story line had gone on waaaaaaay too long, while ignoring MAJOR other plot development. I concur.
The Rikti 2nd war was an annoying gnat compared to what was went through involving the Praetorian war. Especially if you play through the entire story from GR through the tfs and Incarnate Trials in sequential order.
Yeah I completely disagree.
EDIT: If on the other hand you want to say MAJOR parts of it had plot holes you could run a truck through or that parts of it were poorly written, that's another thing.
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