Imperious and Romulus...
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-08-05 19:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Timey-wimey?
I think it's due to time travel or the likes. We go back to the time when they was alive in the Cim arcs and TF.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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What do you mean 'replaced'? Statesman and Recluse held the same power as them, if that's what you mean.
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Since they are both dead current story protocol is to wipe them from existence. Just like in that wonderful Wing Commander movie.|
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
What do you mean 'replaced'? Statesman and Recluse held the same power as them, if that's what you mean.
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Imperious Task Force? I don't know what you are talking about. There never was an Imperious.
Clearly this means they are alive to this day.
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Statesman was erased from the game when he died.|
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
What do you mean 'replaced'? Statesman and Recluse held the same power as them, if that's what you mean.
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Imperious and Romulus are still around and they have died! So changing who has their TFs like they did with Statesman and Sister Psyche seems to make sense to me!
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Not to state the obvious, but we meet them before they die.
Wibbly-wobbly Timey-wimey stuff and all that....
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The SSA doesn't take place along the leveling time-line, but is independent of it. Akin to how Galaxy City going boom doesn't happen at 50, it's now happened in the past.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
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For that matter Ghost Widow, Ghost of Scrapyard, Numina and Woodsman should also be removed from the game, right?
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Yes! If they're going to do it with Statesman and Psyche. That's exactly what they should do.|
Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
For that matter Ghost Widow, Ghost of Scrapyard, Numina and Woodsman should also be removed from the game, right?
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At least with those who run TFs obviously. Since precedence is TF holders get erased completely!
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Is this the new ED? Are we going to have people going on about this beyond all reason for the next few years?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Is this the new ED? Are we going to have people going on about this beyond all reason for the next few years?
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We're only told about their deaths. The exact point in time the Cimerora crystal sends us to is prior to that.
We go in, do the arcs, do the TF, then leave after having saved time from nazis, then come back shortly after to become the chosen one that handled Mot and watched Cimerora burn.
They die after that. Together. Hopefully in each other's arms.
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The point at which we did the Statesman and Psyche TFs where before their deaths.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
We're only told about their deaths. The exact point in time the Cimerora crystal sends us to is prior to that.
We go in, do the arcs, do the TF, then leave after having saved time from nazis, then come back shortly after to become the chosen one that handled Mot and watched Cimerora burn. They die after that. Together. Hopefully in each other's arms. |
So why erase them and not the others?
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It is when I just ran the SSA 1 for the second time and it dawned on me! |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Is this the new ED? Are we going to have people going on about this beyond all reason for the next few years?
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I am not one of the players who runs the SSA repeatedly obviously
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Because traveling back in time is not the same as taking the tram to Independence Port?|
Originally Posted by BrandX
The point at which we did the Statesman and Psyche TFs where before their deaths.
So why erase them and not the others? |
We ran Statesman and Sister Psyche before their deaths. Then they died. And we still had run the TFs before their deaths. That's why we still have Statesman's Pal and Sister Psyche's Comrade. But we can't run the TFs again AFTER their deaths. Because they're dead. We can run Sister Psyche's TF via Ouroboros, by traveling back to before she died.
Actually, in the SSA, we go back further in time and meet Imperious/Romulus before all the other evens of Cimerora we're familiar with.
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I think the point of all of this is that making a static world in an MMO suddenly a world that has dynamic elements (like updating to a 'now') is problematic at best... especially when that "dynamic world" doesn't exist everywhere. Like Faultline... and the LGTF... (Note: I've switched gears here to add the apparently time-warping Penny Yin to this mess.)
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This distinction falls on its face when you can walk into Faultline and talk to young Penny... then travel to IP and see 'older and matured' Penny.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Because traveling back in time is not the same as taking the tram to Independence Port?
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I kinda wish they had given Miss Liberty a new TF of her own, instead of recycling Grandpa's. And then put the STF in Ouro for suicidal people to take on with as few people as they please. It'd still award "Statesman's Pal", just like the original Posi still awarded its badge in Ouro. maybe make it something centered around redeeming Recluse, and (probably) failing miserably?
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Originally Posted by ogi
since they are both dead current story protocol is to wipe them from existence. Just like in that wonderful wing commander movie.
Imperious task force? I don't know what you are talking about. There never was an imperious. |
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I know. Which is what makes it so bizarre that BrandX chose to harp on the one instance of this that does happen via time travel, and in a way that is consistent, rather than any of the examples that are inconsistent and actually comparable.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
This distinction falls on its face when you can walk into Faultline and talk to young Penny... then travel to IP and see 'older and matured' Penny.
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I can all but guarantee that the example BrandX used was specifically ridiculous to throw the ones that actually are an issue under the bus.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
I know. Which is what makes it so bizarre that BrandX chose to harp on the one instance of this that does happen via time travel, and in a way that is consistent, rather than any of the examples that are inconsistent and actually comparable.
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AKA, a tongue-in-cheek poke at States, Penny and Sister Psyche's statuses. (Tell me I am not the only one who has read all of BrandX's posts in this thread with a heavy tinge of sarcasm?)
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It kinda was.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I can all but guarantee that the example BrandX used was specifically ridiculous to throw the ones that actually are an issue under the bus.
AKA, a tongue-in-cheek poke at States, Penny and Sister Psyche's statuses. (Tell me I am not the only one who has read all of BrandX's posts in this thread with a heavy tinge of sarcasm?) |
The part of it just dawning on me about Imperious was totally true! It just did!
But I never was in favor of removing Sister Psyche or Statesman, but the excuse was, they're dead so they have to be taken out, nevermind the fact that the TFs happened before the SSA.
Well, the SSA happened, Imperious and Romulus are dead. So they should be removed under the same thinking.
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They're both dead! Why haven't they been replaced?! This just dawned on me!
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