Imperious and Romulus...

Not to mention it took only one arrow to the gut to kill one of the world's most prominent heroes!

Depending on difficulty, she's a AV or a EB. It takes a lot more than one arrow.

They were both already dead for centuries when the ITF first came out - every singlke NPC you ever see in Cimerora is long dead in the 21st century

Statesman and Sister Psyche can still be encountered via Ouroboros, when players travel back in time, just like they do when they visit Cimerora.

Unless it hits the knee, which always forces retirement.

No.

The idea behind SSA1 was to update the game world and meta-story - it wasn't meant to be a kill Washington/Cleopatra kind of "what if" situation - it was done in the same way as the removal of old Galaxy City and old Dark Astoria and the defeat of the loyalists.
Those are all basic building blocks for the foundaion of the meta-story - there's no "maybe" about any of these major events, because without them, writing the meta-story becomes impossible.

Are you invoking rule 34 on this? Because I'm sure somewhere out there, there is some.

I've never met someone who hadn't been forced to retire because of it.

Just Say No to memes.

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Actually, there are several NPCs you meet in Cimerora who are still alive in the 21st centruy:

I can think of:

Dream Doctor
Marcus Valerius
Requiem

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From Operative Grillo in the LRSF:
So if Psyche is dead in the present she shouldn't exist in a possible future, unless that future is a split from before she dies, but all indications are that it's a possible future from your current present. If Psyche is alive in a possible future then either it was a mistake or they're giving away a future plotline where they bring her back to life.

It raises further questions when they retcon'd States and Psyche out of RV, even though that was just a possible future, too.

Two of those are time travelers, and the other was, shall we say, "altered".

Imperius is an incarnate, of Zeus, and like Statesman should be ageless. So his death would be at the hands of someone else.

In storyline, we find he has died. Therefore should be removed.

Statesman and Sister Psyche were alive in the past, died in the present, and they were removed from all content.

Statesman TF happened before SSA1, so Statesman TF was in the past not the present. So that makes being in the past a reason to keep Imperious invalid.

Really. It is.

Especially when one considers they run SSA1 and go "Who the hell are Statesman and Sister Psyche?" when they've never seen them before in the game.

They should of used the phase tech they have to phase them out when you complete the SSA1, or left them in.

Makes it even better because one could choose not to run SSA1 and always have Sister Psyche standing there to run her TF, while those who ran it have Penny.

Then whoever has the star the world gets viewed around them. Which really would make the SSA1s about your character as was intended (or so they say) in that the world changes based around your actions!

Couldn't do it without removing zone events from Independence Port (phasing breaks zone events), and phasing wouldn't change their appearances in story arcs anyway.

Also, *should have. Not "should of".

Lets see we are in current times indepedence port just finished ssa1 and god look both sister psyche and statesman not only alive but also giving TF's. Yeah sound more stupid than I went back in time at a place which was destroyed later than my arrival and met with people who will die after i met them in an uncertain time.

He's still in the Cimerora that we visit as a zone.

Yep and yep. Couldn't agree more.

Was never really trying to be funny.

I go to Cimora. I do the mission/tf. I do SSA1. I go back to Cimora...he's still there.

The excuse for removing Statesman and Psyche was "They're dead so you wouldnt see them anymore"

So why not replace the TF with someone else?

Apex and Tin Mage's TFs destroy Kings Row and Skyway City. But they're okay once the TF is over. Magisterium nukes Nova Praetoria, but you can still visit it and hang out with newly created Praetorian characters. Just sayin'.


Phasing only screws with zone events when it's a portion of an entire zone being phased. But if it's just a contact, it's fine. Otherwise there wouldn't be ToTing or Holiday events in any of the Praetorian zones, or those Protest/Syndicate/Ghouls zone events.

Good because it was never funny. And at this point I think you're just being obstinate.

And of course he's still there. You're -told- they die. You're not -shown- they die.

You're traveling to a point in Cimerora -before everything in Cimerora goes down-. let's map out important points in a rough order:

A: First arrive in Cimerora
B: Sister Arlia's/Daedalus' arcs
C: Imperious Task Force
D: Handling Mot & Cimerora burns
E: Imperious and Romulus kill each other

We never get to E. As far as our personal timeline goes, we make it up to D and leave Cimerora to the present to deal with Mot. We're -closer- to E than we were, but we never make it -to- E. We're only told E happens at some point while we're thousands of years in the future. So when we go back into Cimerora, it's still -their- past. In fact it may not even be E at all, it may be F or G or H and we don't know because we haven't experienced it yet, there could be more stuff that happens between our leaving after the Mot fiasco and the two of them killing each other.

Really it's honest to gods time travel. There's no monkeying about with what's present, what's leveling, what's anything. it's time travel. We travel in time to a point prior to their deaths and have yet to reach the point where they die, we're only told they die. In fact we always knew they'd die, as said, Cimerora is gone, Statesman and Recluse possessed the incarnations of Zeus and Tartarus, and it's -thousands of years in the future-. Of course they died. We only didn't know how and at what point in time, a time we've yet to reach.

It can't be spelled out any clearer than that.