So, Marauder, Aurora Borealis, and Pendragon walk into Atlas Park...
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Posted on: 2012-08-01 13:33 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
 Malta just doesn't seem as threatening any more... |
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Originally Posted by Triplash
That's just the ammo for their new Rockette Launchers.
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I just hope they're firing those from their feet and not shooting from... the hip.
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And... which arcs are those?|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Or the arcs that reference the Rikti being humans, before you ever find out 'the big secret'.
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Seriously, I'm curious, as I don't remember any of them. Steven Sheridan and Levantera occur in the same level range (35 -39) where the reveal is made.
Oh, do you mean Timothy Raymond? Not only is that a grand total of one (1) arc, even though he's more in a position to know even he's uncertain of how or why. All he says is: "Something else I've remembered. Rikti: Humans. They share a common ancestry with us. Some How. Some Way."
This logic fallacy: Bunk: Removed.
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| Story has always been a hodgepodge. I really don't see it being that confusing. |
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| Now we've got characters and plots that are crossing over and moving forward. The story is actually -developing-. And the 1-50 model just doesn't support it in the way people want. |
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| The wonderful thing is, I don't care if other people can't deal with it. The devs are going to do it how they're going to do it, and it's pretty much tough luck if you disagree. So you either have to learn to hand wave it or sit and sulk. |
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
And I submit that we shouldn't have to pretend, ignore, hand-wave or make do. It should just work. Actually work, not just if we agree to pretend half the content doesn't exist.
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Mmm, even the arcs still paint him as kind of grey, like he was supporting some of the Destroyers drug habit, but only because they were old war buddies and there was (at the time) no cure for the stuff.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Are you still level 6 in Praetoria? I mean, I don't want to spoil stuff, but a lot of what you may have read about the Praetors (especially on that GR website) were lies. You could call them significant stretches of the truth as well. Massive embellishment. Excellent spin.
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Oh, yeah. How could I not think of that as a gray area thing. I mean he kept drugged out psychopaths on the streets to help instill fear and control the populace while maintaining power over his "buddies" as their supplier.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Mmm, even the arcs still paint him as kind of grey, like he was supporting some of the Destroyers drug habit, but only because they were old war buddies and there was (at the time) no cure for the stuff.
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Hell, he was redeemed with that act alone!
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Originally Posted by Scythus
And... which arcs are those?
Seriously, I'm curious, as I don't remember any of them. Steven Sheridan and Levantera occur in the same level range (35 -39) where the reveal is made. Oh, do you mean Timothy Raymond? Not only is that a grand total of one (1) arc, even though he's more in a position to know even he's uncertain of how or why. All he says is: "Something else I've remembered. Rikti: Humans. They share a common ancestry with us. Some How. Some Way." This logic fallacy: Bunk: Removed. |
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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...not sure what the point of this tangent is. Are you just pulling things out of the air now? |
Originally Posted by Scythus
But the Incarnate system does. As I recall, according to Positron, "the Incarnate system has no end?" |
And he was talking about the implementation, not literally 'it is endless', though it would take a -lot- of time to get all the components needed to fill up T4s in every category/slot. And they're still kicking out content, Emperor's Sword takes place after Dark Astoria/Dilemma Diabolique and before the Magisterium Trial.
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| So terrible storytelling and inconsistency is justified by coolness? Yeah, no... I don't subscribe to that. |
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| This. A thousand times this. |
they are updating things and bringing them into line with the 'modern' story but it takes time. The free to play model means they have to keep putting out content, which means story pushes forward and we get the patchwork method. Sorry if it doesn't grok for you, but beggars can't really be choosers.
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And they need to do more comic-book style "See Issue #16844616" like they did in SSA 2.1.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
I so wish they'd go through and do this for old important arcs. Set up a disclaimer before hand stating where in the CoH timeline this mission takes/took place.
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
I just hope they're firing those from their feet and not shooting from... the hip.
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IMO the solution to this is to simply move the timeline forward some.
Start a new leveling timeline post Rikit war.
Those few arks that still deal with the aftermath of the Rikit war move to Oro. Games (should) change and develop over time. We are in the middle of one such change right now. It is a good change. The game world is moving towards being dynamic rather than static. With the vanishing contact tech we can see our choices affect the game world.
I am not saying that the story and character motivations and writing are the best. I know their are many that don't like some of the recent lore changes. But in the end moving the game world up 10 years or so and having all that content that we did become fact. That is a good thing.
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Just a note: what we are seeing in that screen may not be automatic. The tech exists now for story arcs you complete to change the world for you. |
Originally Posted by Scythus
Event A causes Event B but Event B takes place before Event A?
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Perhaps a lvl 1 character that starts today will see Ms Liberty. An incarnate player that completes the story arc required to see Praetor White switch sides, will see White instead.
Got to wait and see.
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Really? I don't recall a single mention of The Reveal in that arc and I've played through it many, MANY times. It's not in there. |
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Bet: Wanna? (It starts at level TEN. TEEHHHN.)
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DarkSideLeague: Incorrect.
Just wanna add that we DO have time travel, so event B could come before even A, even if A caused B.
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Maybe that was what was meant but it was a world of black.| Praetoria is basically meant to be a world of grey. |
White is nowhere near redeemable. He's as much a murderer as the rest of Tyrant's stooges and he betrayed his own people to save his skin. In a way he's the worst of the bunch.
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part of the problem there is how limited CoH's phasing tech is. Sure, Atlas Park could work it. but most other zones can't, as we've been told a lot of 'zone events' would interfere with zone phasing.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Just a note: what we are seeing in that screen may not be automatic. The tech exists now for story arcs you complete to change the world for you.
Perhaps a lvl 1 character that starts today will see Ms Liberty. An incarnate player that completes the story arc required to see Praetor White switch sides, will see White instead. Got to wait and see. |
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Originally Posted by Agent White
...not sure what the point of this tangent is. Are you just pulling things out of the air now?
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| And they're still kicking out content, Emperor's Sword takes place after Dark Astoria/Dilemma Diabolique and before the Magisterium Trial. |
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Rule of cool.
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| Ok, you fund them, get them more staff so they can spend the time developing massive game wide revamps just to accommodate a strict 1-50 timeline. |
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| they are updating things and bringing them into line with the 'modern' story but it takes time. The free to play model means they have to keep putting out content, which means story pushes forward and we get the patchwork method. Sorry if it doesn't grok for you, but beggars can't really be choosers. |
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Then they can stick to zones that would work. |
Originally Posted by Agent White
part of the problem there is how limited CoH's phasing tech is. Sure, Atlas Park could work it. but most other zones can't, as we've been told a lot of 'zone events' would interfere with zone phasing.
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Also, zones that don't but they want to "revamp" can entirely drop the events (or have them re-configured) and force players to go to an Echo version to get those badges (if they so desire them)
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Actually the point was:
Hoisted by your own petard! |
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| Yeah, the Rule of Cool isn't always justified. In most instances it actually flat out sucks. |
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Lol, as a VIP, I am technically funding them. Again, as a VIP, I'm not a beggar. |
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Or it could be one of those models/illustrations for the post-Tyrant-Nuke rebuild:|
Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Who said that's Atlas Park in the picture? Surely even Praetoria had an Atlas and built a statue in his honor.
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"Coming Soon: A Brand New Nova Praetoria!"
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Probably referring to this, from Argot'BurWot:|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Really? I don't recall a single mention of The Reveal in that arc and I've played through it many, MANY times. It's not in there.
DarkSideLeague: Incorrect. |
Thank you for coming to see me, Character. I've made a very impressive breakthrough in both my language and my research. I wanted to make sure you were the first to experience me.
I have taken the vial of blood: from Montague. The blood is the cure for the Rikti virus in humans. In new words, I discovered a cure for the Lost.
Recent humans are the only terms affected.
....pretty much "spoils" the fact that Rikti are, in fact, humans.
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Originally Posted by MarvelZombie
Probably referring to this, from Argot'BurWot:
Thank you for coming to see me, Character. I've made a very impressive breakthrough in both my language and my research. I wanted to make sure you were the first to experience me. I have taken the vial of blood: from Montague. The blood is the cure for the Rikti virus in humans. In new words, I discovered a cure for the Lost. Recent humans are the only terms affected. ....pretty much "spoils" the fact that Rikti are, in fact, humans. |
Just from the above information I don't see how this proves that Rikti are Humans?
If I said "This vial of blood is the cure for the Bird Flu virus in humans. In new words, I discovered a cure for the H5N1 flu." would you assume that Birds are also humans?
In real life many viruses can travel between different Species (as well as Family, Order and Class) and the minute we step into the realm of SciFi/Fantasy there are numerous examples of aliens and humans cross contaminating each other with viruses going at least as far back as "War of the Worlds".
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Okay... slowly.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
...? You've lost me.
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Originally Posted by MarvelZombie
Probably referring to this, from Argot'BurWot:
Thank you for coming to see me, Character. I've made a very impressive breakthrough in both my language and my research. I wanted to make sure you were the first to experience me. I have taken the vial of blood: from Montague. The blood is the cure for the Rikti virus in humans. In new words, I discovered a cure for the Lost. Recent humans are the only terms affected. ....pretty much "spoils" the fact that Rikti are, in fact, humans. |
As Cathulhu points out, unless you're assuming birds are also humans in terms of H5N1, you cannot assume that Montague's arc is assuming Rikti are humans. It doesn't spoil anything.
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The implications of the lost/rikti relationship were only realised in the 25+ Lost mobs that started to resemble Rikti. Anyone who ran this arc would realize instantly upon seeing Pariahs that the Lost are a stepping stone between Human and Rikti.
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Originally Posted by Cathulhu
Just from the above information I don't see how this proves that Rikti are Humans?
If I said "This vial of blood is the cure for the Bird Flu virus in humans. In new words, I discovered a cure for the H5N1 flu." would you assume that Birds are also humans? In real life many viruses can travel between different Species (as well as Family, Order and Class) and the minute we step into the realm of SciFi/Fantasy there are numerous examples of aliens and humans cross contaminating each other with viruses going at least as far back as "War of the Worlds". |
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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If that's so, then the Lost themselves are a spoiler. Lol
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
The implications of the lost/rikti relationship were only realised in the 25+ Lost mobs that started to resemble Rikti. Anyone who ran this arc would realize instantly upon seeing Pariahs that the Lost are a stepping stone between Human and Rikti.
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