So, Marauder, Aurora Borealis, and Pendragon walk into Atlas Park...
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-08-01 13:33 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Well, if you're arguing "it makes startling implication in hindsight," then it's still a weak argument. Hell, I didn't even make the connection the first time around.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
In a sense, but it was never expressly spelled out until the 30-40 range (Timothy Raymond was merely expanding upon the discoveries made in City of Heroes, in the same way that the Dossier you get in the Vanguard Arcs spells it out further). It was merely something that observant players could pick up on - much like trying to figure out all the early game Malta influence.
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...OCD and Paranoia kinda make it a larger issue for me.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Well, if you're arguing "it makes startling implication in hindsight," then it's still a weak argument. Hell, I didn't even make the connection the first time around.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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I have OCD as well, and as far as I see it, Montague's dialogue simply acts as a type of foreshadowing. I had the benefit of joining the game when Montague was already in it and when I got to the Reveal afterwards, I looked back and went... "Ohhh!"
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
...OCD and Paranoia kinda make it a larger issue for me.
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Not seeing how that relates to the quote you pulled from Positron about Incarnate content being endless. |
Originally Posted by Scythus
Okay... slowly.
THERE.... IS.... A.... TIME....LINE.... AL....READ...Y.... IN.... PLACE.... FOR.... IN....CAR....NATES.... NEW.... STUFF.... ADD....ED..... FOR.... IN....CAR....NATES.... HAP....PENS..... AF...TER.... THE..... PRE....VI...OUS.... STUFF.... ADD....ED.... FOR.... IN....CAR....NATES.... |
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| Actually I'm a paying customer and I expect the product I'm buying to have some semblance of quality. Would you buy a hamburger that had only half a patty? |
Again, I'm sorry it's so terrible how they're going about it and how it just breaks the experience for you. But really, it's not going to change soon, Paragon is not a big team and it's a pretty old game and it'd take a major effort to overhaul just so you don't have to deal with having to differentiate for yourself what's 'then' and 'now'.
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The devs have said that they now treat certain older lore reveals as common knowledge, and gave the Lost-Rikti connection as an example.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
If that's so, then the Lost themselves are a spoiler. Lol
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@Golden Girl
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Incarnate content progressing linearly doesn't make it endless.
Now if it were a loop, that'd be endless.
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So you agree! New content is modern. So Marauder in Atlas is 'now' and Marauder in Maria Jenkins or the Trials is 'then' because it's older content.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Endless Incarnate content. New Incarnate events happen after previous Incarnate events.
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I knew you'd key in eventually. Good boy
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For those still reading (since he's ignoring me and has no interest):|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Omega - it's going to go past it.
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Maybe. I'm pretty certain that was never actually confirmed, but I wouldn't mind if it did.
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That's not quite correct - for example, Lambda Sector was added in I20, and First Ward was added in I21, but FW takes place before Lambda Sector.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
So you agree! New content is modern. So Marauder in Atlas is 'now' and Marauder in Maria Jenkins or the Trials is 'then' because it's older content.
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@Golden Girl
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Ah, self-delusion.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
So you agree! New content is modern. So Marauder in Atlas is 'now' and Marauder in Maria Jenkins or the Trials is 'then' because it's older content.
I knew you'd key in eventually. Good boy |
Except Incarnate is post-50. So no.
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Mhm true! Wibbly wobbly timey wimey. But like Statesman's death and galaxy city's destruction being 'now'. Some stuff follows leveling, some stuff follows 'then' and 'now'.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's not quite correct - for example, Lambda Sector was added in I20, and First Ward was added in I21, but FW takes place before Lambda Sector.
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And unfortunately for your arguments, the Praetorian timeline has been level based.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Mhm true! Wibbly wobbly timey wimey. But like Statesman's death and galaxy city's destruction being 'now'. Some stuff follows leveling, some stuff follows 'then' and 'now'.
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Seriously, as others have pointed out, I really think you people are taking the image too literally. Clearly we're getting an Incarnate arc or more in i24 that deal with the aftermath of the Praetorian war. Clearly it/they deal with Praetorians on Primal Earth.
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"Who Will Die" isn't actually "now" either - it was only current to the game world situation during its release - it's now become a "historical" arc outside the leveling storyline.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
But like Statesman's death and galaxy city's destruction being 'now'.
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For example, Statesman and Sister Psyche die on 40-50 arcs, but Penny Yin gives out her TF in the 20-25 range - and SSA 2 actually takes place in the 35-50 range, making it quite possible for someone to play through the whole 2nd SSA before they reach the right level to experience the death of Statesman and Sister Psyche, even though SSA 2 has several references to their deaths.
The SSAs are more like snapshots of key moments in the history of the game world that follow their own episode timeline without being integrated into the standard 1-50 leveling path.
@Golden Girl
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I didn't say Who Will Die is 'now', I said Statesman's death is 'now', it's happened and has affected everything else so everything else is 'now' in regards to the character death, just like everything is 'now' in regards to Galaxy City, even though several arcs predate these events.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
"Who Will Die" isn't actually "now" either - it was only current to the game world situation during its release - it's now become a "historical" arc outside the leveling storyline.
For example, Statesman and Sister Psyche die on 40-50 arcs, but Penny Yin gives out her TF in the 20-25 range - and SSA 2 actually takes place in the 35-50 range, making it quite possible for someone to play through the whole 2nd SSA before they reach the right level to experience the death of Statesman and Sister Psyche, even though SSA 2 has several references to their deaths. The SSAs are more like snapshots of key moments in the history of the game world that follow their own episode timeline without being integrated into the standard 1-50 leveling path. |
I just go with it, figuring out my character's timelines as I go, having some stuff count and other stuff just happen without acknowledging it.
<==== is very lost period 
All I know that it gives merits and inf/salvage/recipe/insperation drops 
And I like those things plus beating up things
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Frankly I'm not sure who's arguing what anymore. All I know is I disagree with both of them.
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Originally Posted by Blackleviathan
<==== is very lost period
All I know that it gives merits and inf/salvage/recipe/insperation drops And I like those things plus beating up things |
I'm just having fun at this point, but I'm done. Honestly, just looking forward to I24 and I don't even know everything going into it yet. If this change is what it -looks- like, I think it's pretty awesome. I think the trio looks epic and being the first thing you see when your new hero pops into Atlas Park to help is pretty wicked. Ms Lib has been pretty iconic but she really pales in comparison to just how neat these guys look (and honestly could probably do with having her appearance updated, along with the rest of the Phallanx).
I just think it's funny what people will complain over. I say just roll with it and enjoy the experience
i24 looks great, but I don't think those three will be standing in Atlas like that. Looks like a posed shot.
It's possible! both Aurora and Pendragon have featured in the latest story stuff, so it could very well be a hint that they're going to feature in the issue's story prominently.
Heck it could be a teaser for the incarnate content, like a new story arc being included will center around the three of them. This issue is Praetoria's swan song for the time being so wrapping up what's going up with more Praetors wouldn't be a bad idea.
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I know that feeling oh too well
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Originally Posted by Mad Grim
Frankly I'm not sure who's arguing what anymore. All I know is I disagree with both of them.
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I think you might be right. I think ms liberty is more of an iconic person to be there and it would suck to have that Changed.
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Originally Posted by Mad Grim
i24 looks great, but I don't think those three will be standing in Atlas like that. Looks like a posed shot.
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Something for ppl to use They didn't even switch Libs out when they put her in IP for the STF. I don't think anything will knock her off that pedestal, let alone some praetorians in spiffy costumes.
Actually, I24 has always been when Ms Liberty was supposed to move. The reason she wasn't taken out when she took over the STF in I23 is because there are several missions that point to Ms Liberty. The devs didn't want to mess up anything so she took over the STF instead of Brawler while remaining the forefront Atlas trainer. but we were told they'd be switching it up in I24, which is why it wouldn't be out of the question if the 3 praetorians end up taking her spot.
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