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Bah you Americans!

My first computer was the good old British Spectrum.

Fond memories of games taking 20-30 minutes to load with screeching sounds from cassette tapes.

We also had the Commadore Plus/4 which was the business version of the Commadore 16.

See back then what the local council use to do was every 2-3 years they'd dump all their old computers in a skip out back (even if they were working) and upgrade to the latest hotness in computing, my Dad, working for the council at the time just took one of the ones he knew worked out of the skip and brought it home.

Popular games:
Fire Ant.
Treasure Island (which was completed and one deeply peeved mother about only getting a 'congraturations' type screen..in her words, "Not even a picture of boat! Come on!")
Thrust (with simulated gravity fields...oooh!).
One game about a Rhino in a space suit in a mine...god knows what that one was called...been so long.
Jet Set Willy.
Skool Daze.

Now I think we had Elite on there but that may have been a later computer.


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We were also taught LOGO. That hasn't really turned out to be super useful.
Oh god. I wasn't in highschool in the 80s, but I did catch the tail end of LOGO.

In a way, I kind of miss that etch-a-sketch turtle.


 

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I started college in 1980. Our first CS project required us to do it on punch cards so we would appreciate that we could us terminals and DECwritters for the rest of our projects. At the end of the semester the overachievers would pay to get a dump of all of their class projects on punch cards for archive purposes, I guess in case they need to demonstrate that they could write a text processor in FORTRAN (yes, that was the last project for our 2nd semester CS class).

After that year the only thing punch cards were used for was for structural engineering contests during our school election week "party" just before finals (build a tower using only punch cards and white glue that's at least two feet tall, no more than 1 sq ft at the base and see which could hold the most weight). What can I say, it was an Engineering/Science college.


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I wish I still had my family's Atari 2600, but our basement flooded when I was about 7 or 8 and ruined the box we had the system and games stored in, so my mom threw everything out. Every once in a while, in my preteen years, I'd see one when my mom took me to garage sales, but she never let me get one.

But to be fair, I have like 90 NES games, safe and sound to this day. (If only I had a working console...) And of course, I've still got a working SNES, N64, Playstation, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and every iteration of Nintendo handheld save the Virtual Boy... I guess I can't complain too much about my stash of games.


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Oh god. I wasn't in highschool in the 80s, but I did catch the tail end of LOGO.

In a way, I kind of miss that etch-a-sketch turtle.
I remember my mom buying a 10 poker game on a disk, and finding our 486 couldn't play it (36MHz required, ours was 25) and being amazed at the zip drive - a disk that held 4/5s of our old computer's hard drive - on the computer she then went to buy to play her poker game (one of the original Vaios - even had a coax connection for TV!)


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I believe my family's first computer was the IBM 5150. I seem to remember them getting it several years after 1981 but considering I was a single digit number throughout the 80s I'm not entirely certain.

I was recently talking to my mom about programming, and she told the story about how she used to take computer classes back in the day of college when punch cards were the norm. Someone ran into the room and yelled, "We hooked up a TV monitor to the mainframe!" She couldn't figure out why anyone would want to do something like that that and didn't even bother to go look at what the fuss was about. At least she has a good sense of humor about it now


 

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Went from Apple IIc+ to a Commodore Amiga 500.

The Amiga 500 blew me away - there was nothing even close to it when it came out.


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The oldest One i have ever played would have to be the tsr 80 Texas instruments the game was ty pan or some thing like that trading stuff to one port or another watching out for pirates all black and white almost 0 graphics
Yes - my first time touching a computer was that same machine, but I didn't own a PC until the Apple IIc+ (3.5" floppy, which was fast but unwanted at the time as everything was on 5.25") and then went to the Amiga 500, also made by Commodore.


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My family had a TRS-80 as a first computer with a tape drive for storage, but the next one we got was a PC that was advertised as "an XT running at AT speed". I forget now what MHz that was, but I think it was 4 or 8? It was all decked out for a home system, too! We had 2 5.25" floppy drives (so much faster than the tapes!), a CGA graphics card, 640KB of RAM and a whole 10MB for the internal hard drive!

Things have changed a little since then. For starters, 1 MB used to be a power of 2 and not 10.


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You had it easy. I actually taught myself how to do some programming in 6502 Assembler (machine language). BASIC ran too slow for anything that you wanted to be responsive. We spent a lot of time PEEKing and POKEing values in certain memory locations. Doing music on the Atari consisted of having to set up timers to POKE values into one of the three voice memory locations.
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I probably still have my Atari programming manuals around somewhere.


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ANTIC and A.N.A.L.O.G. were the two Atari magazines I read in complete detail every month. And typing in those programs was a royal pain in the tail. I recall the first time I found a local bulletin board that had the programs to download, I was in heaven!

My first computer experience? My High School had 2 teletype terminals on a Digital mini-computer (1974-7). We saved programs on long yellow paper tapes with holes punched out, and it usually took 2 or 3 tries before the reader got most of the program right. We then had to go through the program line-by-line to compare it with the last print-out to make sure that we caught any errors from the reader (there were many). I recall writing a few programs that overloaded the memory. Each paper tape only lasted 3 or 4 reads before it became too worn.

One summer I worked in a university computer lab, and I thought the stacks of punch cards with FORTRAN programs were huge step up. Then in college, I got to see my first GRAPHICS terminal with green screen vector graphics. Some buddies of mine came up with a game where you put in an angle and direction, and the system would determine where you landed if you jumped off of the tallest building on campus. (Which was kind of sick since a few people had actually jumped off. They had to close the top floor balcony.)


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Started off with an Atari 800 here, then moved on to a C64 and then several Atari 1040 ST/e computers. Pulled out the 1040's and all their software from the basement just last week. Tried out a couple programs before the monitor died.

The rest of the hardware and software seemed to be working. If anyone's interested, I'm selling


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My dad was head of the computing center at Colorado School of Mines, sometimes he'd bring home a terminal and let me play games. (Was not amused to wake up one morning and find I used a whole roll of paper playing Star Trek.) In High school, was in the computer club and we got to use accounts on the county computer, writing software, games, even multiplayer games.

Dad got interested in microcomputers, he got a Kim-1 board with a whopping 1K of RAM. We built a case for it, wrote programs using the 16 digit hex pad. The summer before I left for college in 1977, he got one of the early Apple II computers and had me set it up. I was hooked.

Did grounds crew work for Mines in the summer of 1978 and earned enough for my own Apple II. Splurged and got 16K of RAM. Over time, expanded it with a Applesoft BASIC card and floppy drives. I've owned an Apple computer ever since.


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You folks are old!


(I wasn't born until '82.)


But seriously, I had some experience with some (even at that time) old Apple IIe computers in the 4th grade that one of the Math teachers kept around to entertain kids with during free time. We had some form of Atari console to play games on when I was like 8 or 9 (and that was the only video game console we ever owned in my house)... played lots of golf and some space-invader-like game.

And then our first real computer. I have no clue what it was, but it had a modem whose speed was measured in baud and it ran DOS (at some point Windows 3.1 was in our house, but I am not sure if it was the same system or not). I recall vaguely searching BBS for stuff and playing lame games through CompuServe.

I also remember fondly how excited my dad was when we got a photocopied hint book for Wolfenstein with all the maps and secrets in it... he had gotten it from some friend at work.



 

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You folks are old!


(I wasn't born until '82.)
And then our first real computer. I have no clue what it was, but it had a modem whose speed was measured in baud and it ran DOS (at some point Windows 3.1 was in our house, but I am not sure if it was the same system or not). I recall vaguely searching BBS for stuff and playing lame games through CompuServe.

I also remember fondly how excited my dad was when we got a photocopied hint book for Wolfenstein with all the maps and secrets in it... he had gotten it from some friend at work.
Aww yeah, I remember my Everex 1200 baud internal modem. Holy smokes that was awesome. It took a while before I found more BBS's than the one run by the school district. Nowadays it's hard to imagine kids willingly hanging out at any online forum organized by the county.....and it being cool!

There was a guy named Mike Focke who updated a list of local BBS's. Once I found that list, then it went all downhill from there.

I think my first mind-blowing moment was downloading my first gif file, and then being able to print it on my dot matrix printer. Who'd have thought you could do that on a computer? It looked just like a photograph!


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One of my best online moments also goes back to BBSes.

I'd written a free game series for the Apple II, "The Wonderful World of Eamon". It was free, people could make copies as they wanted, they started to spread.

Got the address of a new BBS dedicated to fantasy gaming. Logged in, it asked my name, gave it as Donald Brown, started to look around.

Interruption from the sysop. Slowly came the question: "Are you THE Donald Brown"?

There's something kinda cool about being asked that question, particularly when it's completely out of the blue.


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I'd written a free game series for the Apple II, "The Wonderful World of Eamon". It was free, people could make copies as they wanted, they started to spread.
Huh... I remember that game.
I had a Radio Shack TRS-80, then Commodore Amiga, then IBM PC - but a friend of my brother had an Apple and had that, one of the Ultima games and some other stuff.


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One of my best online moments also goes back to BBSes.

I'd written a free game series for the Apple II, "The Wonderful World of Eamon". It was free, people could make copies as they wanted, they started to spread.

Got the address of a new BBS dedicated to fantasy gaming. Logged in, it asked my name, gave it as Donald Brown, started to look around.

Interruption from the sysop. Slowly came the question: "Are you THE Donald Brown"?

There's something kinda cool about being asked that question, particularly when it's completely out of the blue.
According to Wikipedia, it's been turned into an iPhone app. Kinda neat that you started something that gained enough of a fan base to keep it alive for 30+ years.

Also, you released that game five years before I was born.


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Aww yeah, I remember my Everex 1200 baud internal modem. Holy smokes that was awesome.
A buddy of mine and I grew up hacking Commodore 64s together. (30 yers later we work on the same team in the IT organization of a multinational corporation.)

We started with 300 baud modems. We used to download all sorts of games and programs from BBSes, and we definitely knew ones that weren't run by local school districts. >.> C-64s had an extended ASCII character set that included lots of block graphics characters, and the download program we used would display display characters matching the bytes as they downloaded, basically just as a progress indicator.

When we upgraded to 1200 baud modems, we were really excited about how our download program was displaying screen updates too fast to read.

That's right - 300 baud was slow enough to read as it transferred, assuming it contained readable text. Even binary executable code usually contains at least some readable text, and very little back then was compressed. Even less was encrypted, though some things were obfuscated in ways we'd laugh at today. Home computers back then didn't really offer even the illusion of multitasking, so we'd sit there, chatting (with our mouths, not a computing device) while we watched things download. And 1200 baud was too fast to really glean much from watching.

These days, if I'm downloading something from a small or heavily-loaded site, I expect something in the 20kBps to 60kBps range. If I download something from a site with a big server farm, like when I grab commercial software download from IBM, CA or Symantec, I can saturate my home internet at 2MBps. 300 baud was around 30 Bps.


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I learned how to program on Commodore PET computers at school. The first computer I owned was a Timex-Sinclair 1000 (the US version of the ZX-80, I think). I don't think I ever successfully loaded anything off the tape drive for it. For Christmas I got the 16K RAM upgrade pack and I was STOKED.

Eventually, my paper route got me enough money for a Commodore 64 & Floppy drive. A ton of my formative years were spent gaming and programming (which mostly involved copying line for line programs out of magazines). I think the stuff I played the most was Lode Runner (making levels) and Adventure Construction Set/Bards Tale Construction Set (making RPGs).

My dad then bought an IBM PC (even though I begged him to buy an Amiga). For Christmas the next year I got an Amiga 500.

The first video game console I ever owned was called "Video Pinball" from Atari. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Pinball. I played the crap out of that before we got an Atari VCS (eventually renamed 2600). By the time the 5200 came out, I was well into PC gaming. I did own a TurboGrafx-16 and a Sega Genesis, but since those were the #2 and #3 consoles, I missed out on a lot of games. I owned an Atari Lynx, and not a Gameboy... again missing out on games.

I think that the lesson I learned from always owning the "second tier" systems, computers, etc. was that if I wanted to be at the forefront, I had to adopt what was popular, even if it was technically inferior. I think this is why I bought into the Apple ecosystem today. Apps are generally released for iOS first, accessories are way easier to find, etc.


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I learned how to program on Commodore PET computers at school. The first computer I owned was a Timex-Sinclair 1000 (the US version of the ZX-80, I think). I don't think I ever successfully loaded anything off the tape drive for it. For Christmas I got the 16K RAM upgrade pack and I was STOKED.

Eventually, my paper route got me enough money for a Commodore 64 & Floppy drive. A ton of my formative years were spent gaming and programming (which mostly involved copying line for line programs out of magazines). I think the stuff I played the most was Lode Runner (making levels) and Adventure Construction Set/Bards Tale Construction Set (making RPGs).

My dad then bought an IBM PC (even though I begged him to buy an Amiga). For Christmas the next year I got an Amiga 500.

The first video game console I ever owned was called "Video Pinball" from Atari. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Pinball. I played the crap out of that before we got an Atari VCS (eventually renamed 2600). By the time the 5200 came out, I was well into PC gaming. I did own a TurboGrafx-16 and a Sega Genesis, but since those were the #2 and #3 consoles, I missed out on a lot of games. I owned an Atari Lynx, and not a Gameboy... again missing out on games.

I think that the lesson I learned from always owning the "second tier" systems, computers, etc. was that if I wanted to be at the forefront, I had to adopt what was popular, even if it was technically inferior. I think this is why I bought into the Apple ecosystem today. Apps are generally released for iOS first, accessories are way easier to find, etc.
Wow that brought me back Positron. I wish I had a Commodore 64, I had a crappy Atari 800XL.


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Wow that brought me back Positron. I wish I had a Commodore 64, I had a crappy Atari 800XL.
Blargh. You guys were both still ahead of me. I dreamt of having an Apple, or even...an Amiga! The Adam didn't stay with me for very long, unfortunately.

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A ton of my formative years were spent gaming and programming (which mostly involved copying line for line programs out of magazines).
I'm having flashbacks of trying to get programs from the back of Byte or Compute! magazines typed in and running. ::shudder::


 

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I think that the lesson I learned from always owning the "second tier" systems, computers, etc. was that if I wanted to be at the forefront, I had to adopt what was popular, even if it was technically inferior
I owned an Intellivision when everyone else seemed to have an Atari 2600. I knew plenty of people who had Atari systems, and the Intellivision blew its pants off, but not many people knew about it even back then.

My take away was to buck the trend and get involved with stuff that's "second tier". It does mean I'm sometimes left trying to hack things to do what I want instead of them "just working", and certainly sometimes it means I have to change standards more often. ("Second tier" ecosystems tend to be shorter-lived.) But I mostly enjoy that DIY kind of approach, so I'm usually OK with that sort of thing. I learn a lot, which I enjoy, even if a lot of what I learn isn't all that practically useful.


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