how much would you pay to be able to dual build with different powersets?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-07-16 16:52 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The ability to currently exploit the system doesn't justify adding a new way to exploit the system.| There is no sense whatsoever to this particular retort. If different powerset dual builds would be implemented, it wouldn't change the ratio of farm xp to normal XP one bit. The only argument you could make is actually against your position, that is, being able to essentially level two different characters in one go can make farming less important and hence less attractive. |
As others have said, making each AT earn its own levels would fix that problem, though once that's done, there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and just using separate character slots.
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With some of the AE exploits, these numbers are understated. I soloed an unslotted SS/Fire brute from 1-45 in about 3 hours using the Monkey farms. People with top end builds were PLing single teammates 1-50 in an hour or so, or an entire team in a 4-6 hours.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I'm sorry, which butt are you pulling this 'fact' from?
I have NEVER seen anyone level from 1-50 in four hours, even when AE was at it's worst. And, even then, if people are doing so, they are in the MINORITY. People need to stop butt-pulling such figures like everyone and their dog can do so with ease. |
Of course, that's with exploits. Standard farming methods aren't as efficient. However, if you've got a top-end farmer in a custom-built map, and the character being powerleveled is making judicious use of XP Boosters, then I can see someone going 1-50 in 4 hours.
I wouldn't call it the norm by any stretch though.
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I know that. It does not stop me from wanting it. Nor does it stop me from making alts. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And every time someone gets a dev response to this idea they tell us they aren't considering working on it because it undermines all the work they've put into making the game alt friendly.
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And for the record: The absence of this feature does not annoy me, but since this is a rather rehashed thread, I would put in some rehashed hopes and dreams.
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I would pay nothing for that feature. I don't want it or need it.
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Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
I would pay nothing for that feature. I don't want it or need it.
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Hey I'd use it in a heartbeat myself if it was added. I'm just acknowledging that it's one of the few frequently suggested topics the devs have never wavered on. So far. |
Originally Posted by Hqnk
I know that. It does not stop me from wanting it. Nor does it stop me from making alts.
And for the record: The absence of this feature does not annoy me, but since this is a rather rehashed thread, I would put in some rehashed hopes and dreams. The game keeps giving me things that I want...so I keep throwing money at them. |
I'm not sure I understand yet what's being described.
If what you mean is that one character slot could essentially host two characters with the same name and badges, but a different AT, powersets choices, IOs, and levels, then I probably would use it. That actually wouldn't be any more or less overpowered than having alts.
If the one character slot had identical levels, so that getting one of the two configs up to 50 automatically brought the other to 50, I would probably be against it.
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Yeah, I don't think the majority of the posters in this thread comprehend what the OP is asking for (no surprise...I didn't either).|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I'm not sure I understand yet what's being described.
If what you mean is that one character slot could essentially host two characters with the same name and badges, but a different AT, powersets choices, and IOs, then I probably would use it. That actually wouldn't be any more or less overpowered than having alts. |
But yeah, some *variant* on what the OP is asking for would be something I've been asking for myself, or like FredrikSvanberg said, if I could just name characters in slots 4-7 of server X as [insert name]. I'd be happy with that, so long as I can have my character and use his name for my other characters on the same server.
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And that's exactly how dual/triple builds currently work. Your second and third builds are the exact same level as your primary build and vice versa. This idea would let people level up one AT/power set to 50 and then instantly level bump the second or third build up to 50.|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
If the one character slot had identical levels, so that getting one of the two configs up to 50 automatically brought the other to 50, I would probably be against it.
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The devs would have to rip out the current build feature and redesign it to stop the builds from automatically level bumping. As far as the devs are concerned it's much easier to simply say roll up a new character.
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I'd really like that too.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Or the devs could just make the badges like te anniversary badges account wide.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus Tex
If the one character slot had identical levels, so that getting one of the two configs up to 50 automatically brought the other to 50, I would probably be against it.
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Do I think it'll happen? Nah, and it doesn't break my heart. Just think it would be cool though (says the guy with the almost full home server
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I couldn't agree more.
To the OP, i would love this feature. I dont play alts, so this would give me something else to do.
I'd pay for this, definitely. I'd make an Ice/Fire Defender build on my main (a Fire/Ice Blaster) and she'd be so much closer to her original incarnation as a mage. That would be awesome. I don't think I'd use it on many other characters, but it would be worth it for just that one.
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I already pay $15 a month for this feature. Let's call this feature "Alting". I have heard some even manage to do it for free, though with a few limitations. Genius system really.
I already have this functionality without paying a cent- it's called "rolling an alt".
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Got your attention? Okay I know not everyone has time to read everything in a thread. But can ya'll please click back to page one and read my very short suggestion, and give me your feedback? It's one of the first posts.
Don't just tell me if you like it or hate it; tell me if you could tweak it just a bit to make it work for you, how would you do that?
Go read the details, but keep in mind the point is to give a player character more choices without giving them any significant advantage.
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Gee actually clicking back an entire page and looking thru the posts seems like a lot of work. Couldn't you just provide a link to the post your referring to? |
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
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Got your attention? Okay I know not everyone has time to read everything in a thread. But can ya'll please click back to page one and read my very short suggestion, and give me your feedback? It's one of the first posts. |
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Speaking for myself I don't see a whole lot of point. The purpose I'd use this sort of feature for (as opposed to the current semi-solution of using Alts) is for a situation where the character has a justification for significant shifts in their powers (in my case due to multiple suits of power armor). For me this sort of setup is only worth mucking about with if the powers are significantly different which in general means a different AT (or different primary in a few cases).|
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
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So Adeon Hawkwood currently has four variants none of which would work in the setup you proposed: AR/Dev, Traps/AR, Bots/Traps, Beam/Dev. Now if the option was that you could change AT but one of the powersets must match a powerset on the original character than I could make it work (Traps/Beam as the primary character, Beam/Dev and Bots/Traps as the alternate builds).
So yeah in that case I'd do it in a heartbeat even if I had to individually level the characters to 50 and do their Incarnate content separately. Yes, it would be worth it to me to completely remake three characters just to be able to have the character called Adeon Hawkwood for all three powerset combos and be able to "change my armor" in-game. I still don't expect the devs to do it though.
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Hey! I hadn't even thought of that, but with power proliferation coming along nicely... |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Now if the option was that you could change AT but one of the powersets must match a powerset on the original character than I could make it work (Traps/Beam as the primary character, Beam/Dev and Bots/Traps as the alternate builds).
So yeah in that case I'd do it in a heartbeat even if I had to individually level the characters to 50 and do their Incarnate content separately. |
Good idea.
Aggelakis, your feedback is a little "shoot 'em down, got nothing to add," but maybe that's just how you communicate--in which case, no hard feelings and it's genuinely appreciated (I mean that). Like I said though, the greatest benefit of my idea might only be conceptual. But conceptual benefits are not useless and unpopular to the rest of us. Look at the game you're playing and the entire costume editor and how much development cost has been sunk into it. There's a lot of reasons why people play this game, and probably over half of them are conceptual.
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Well despite the Devs probably never doing this, I find your conditions agreeable, however for me I only have 1 character this would be appropriate for but it's a completely different AT so any restrictions on which powers you could pick wouldn't really work for me. All kinds of restrictions in unlocking and leveling said character are fine with me, but restrictions on what I could do once it's been unlocked wouldn't work.|
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
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For the record I did alt the second version of the character and this would just be convenience for me. Heck I'd even support having it restricted to one character per account(or server) if it meant the Devs might consider this. They won't so the alt will do though.
so I am seeing:
be able to change powersets but not AT
be able to change AT
have to level each up separately
share level but have to earn incarnate powers separate for each
share a name among multiple character slots that are otherwise separate characters
I don't think leveling to 50 is much of an issue at this point, but getting incarnate powers is a big deal.
I like the idea of sharing a name among character slots. They would all be the same player, and everything else would follow normal rules. Seems a nice ability with no real downside.
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Define "much of an issue." Getting a character to 50 is still a big deal to me, because it doesn't happen all that often and is the sign that I must really really like that character to play it all the way to 50. It still takes me months to get from Level 1 to 50. Probably 5 or more, on average.
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I don't think leveling to 50 is much of an issue at this point, but getting incarnate powers is a big deal.
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I have NEVER seen anyone level from 1-50 in four hours, even when AE was at it's worst. And, even then, if people are doing so, they are in the MINORITY.
People need to stop butt-pulling such figures like everyone and their dog can do so with ease.