Knockback to Knockdown!
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-30 18:20 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Two enhancements improves your Regeneration by 12%.
Three enhancements improves the Damage of all your powers by 3%.
Four enhancements increases maximum Health by 1.5%.
Five enhancements increases Energy and Negative Energy Defense by 2.5%.
Five enhancements increases Ranged Defense by 1.25%.
Six enhancements provides 4 points of protection against Knockback effects on you.
Ok, dumb question.... Looking at these values, is it worth 6 slotting for the kb protect? It is one more source of kb protect, but two 3 slot gives 6% dam and 24% regen. On a bio armor or a nature slotted heavily to take advantage of its regen, (lots and lots of +10/12 regen pairs), is it worth it?
Is 1.25 range def + kb protect worth it? You would have to look at it as 5 slotting for defense, and using a random kb protect in a res/def power....
I am wondering about this for multiple characters.
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I call that the "Let's Let StrangeQuark Kill Everything" Rule. If you're built right and you're smart about it, KB can be very useful for maneuvering and a soft mez.
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Originally Posted by Rodion
If you live the by rule "You KB it, you kill it," you get a lot fewer complaints as well.
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it is not worth 6 slotting for the kb protection if you can get it elsewhere - like an IO kb protect
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Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch
Two enhancements improves your Regeneration by 12%.
Three enhancements improves the Damage of all your powers by 3%. Four enhancements increases maximum Health by 1.5%. Five enhancements increases Energy and Negative Energy Defense by 2.5%. Five enhancements increases Ranged Defense by 1.25%. Six enhancements provides 4 points of protection against Knockback effects on you. Ok, dumb question.... Looking at these values, is it worth 6 slotting for the kb protect? It is one more source of kb protect, but two 3 slot gives 6% dam and 24% regen. On a bio armor or a nature slotted heavily to take advantage of its regen, (lots and lots of +10/12 regen pairs), is it worth it? Is 1.25 range def + kb protect worth it? You would have to look at it as 5 slotting for defense, and using a random kb protect in a res/def power.... I am wondering about this for multiple characters. |
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Sorry, I may not have been clear with my explanation. An io kb protection costs a slot no matter what. Bottom line, is this set worth 5 slotting. Slotting 6 for the kb is somewhat immaterial as you are going to spend a slot somewhere somehow to get it.
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
it is not worth 6 slotting for the kb protection if you can get it elsewhere - like an IO kb protect
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Its not, the other enhancements in this set are only good to convert to the proc. Sadly, we can't convert it. |
Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch
Sorry, I may not have been clear with my explanation. An io kb protection costs a slot no matter what. Bottom line, is this set worth 5 slotting. Slotting 6 for the kb is somewhat immaterial as you are going to spend a slot somewhere somehow to get it.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's code for "balance by annoyance," I believe, even though most of the original "balanced by annoyance" powers in the game trace back to Geko.
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Oh I thought he meant Castle as in the TV show Castle...was really confused :P
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It might be for Freemiums who can't use IOs, but otherwise, I'd imagine 2x3 (+24% Regen, +6% Damage) or 3x2 slotting (+36% Regen) would be much more productive.
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
Its not, the other enhancements in this set are only good to convert to the proc. Sadly, we can't convert it.
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There are a few powers I can see the proc being really useful in:
Bonfire (as mentioned before, this is ridiculously overpowered)
Gale (turns it from a situational survival/positioning power to an any-time survival power at the cost of the positioning portion)
Assault Bot (stops him from using Swarm Missiles to knock enemies out of the patches he creates with Incendiary Missiles plus Incendiary Missiles now occasionally knock enemies over, win/win)
Tornado (similar to the Bonfire one this helps it deal damage more effectively)
Solar Flare (as mentioned above)
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It could be that as well. I can just imagine Beckett playing a Scrapper and Castle playing a Storm/Energy Defender to annoy the hell out of her.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Oh I thought he meant Castle as in the TV show Castle...was really confused :P
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I still think that the Proc would be the most Overpowered in Chain Fences and Crushing Field.
It's times like this I firmly believe i'm the only person who likes knockback*
*when used responsibly
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have you seen it in bonfire?|
Originally Posted by Tater Todd
I still think that the Proc would be the most Overpowered in Chain Fences and Crushing Field.
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someone needs to post a video
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*Sigh, flails arms like Kermit D. Frog* Yes I have! LOL Me and a few others in beta have been wanting to test it for sometime before it hit live...but it's to late now.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
have you seen it in bonfire?
someone needs to post a video |
To be honest the Devs might as well make the proc not useful in all ranged AT powers because everyone but melee people are pitching a fit lol.
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Originally Posted by TheShattered
It's times like this I firmly believe i'm the only person who likes knockback*
*when used responsibly |
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No plenty of people love knockback BUT not all powers with knockback are equal. There are powers where changing knockback to knockdown makes the power considerably more useful.|
Originally Posted by TheShattered
It's times like this I firmly believe i'm the only person who likes knockback*
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A good example is Bonfire. With Knockback it scatters enemies everywhere and creates a zone where characters are reasonably safe form melee attacks. With knockdown it basically neutralizes a spawn while dealing a reasonable amount of damage. The standard power is a situation survival tool while the enhanced power is an all-the-time survival tool and damage dealer.
Still only one -KB IO.. I have a buddy who has gotten 5 in almost the same amount of runs.. ARGH !!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
Still only one -KB IO.. I have a buddy who has gotten 5 in almost the same amount of runs.. ARGH !!!!!!
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Oh, there are quite a few more than just that.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
There are a few powers I can see the proc being really useful in:
Bonfire (as mentioned before, this is ridiculously overpowered) Gale (turns it from a situational survival/positioning power to an any-time survival power at the cost of the positioning portion) Assault Bot (stops him from using Swarm Missiles to knock enemies out of the patches he creates with Incendiary Missiles plus Incendiary Missiles now occasionally knock enemies over, win/win) Tornado (similar to the Bonfire one this helps it deal damage more effectively) Solar Flare (as mentioned above) It could be that as well. I can just imagine Beckett playing a Scrapper and Castle playing a Storm/Energy Defender to annoy the hell out of her. |
Explosive Arrow - Now you can ignite the oil slick and not knockback the foes from oil slick.
M30 Grenade - Oh look, another buff to assault rifle. No more radial KB!
Umbral Torrent - We can "fix" this awful power that does 100% KB with 100% KD
Frag Grenade - See M30
Electron Haze - Oh good, I can use this cone now.
Shockwave (Sonic) - Ditto
Shockwave (Claws) - Zomg! Pure win.
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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If people actually did that then it wouldn't be so "unpopular" with some people. The problem is, there are too many people who use it poorly that many players decide to just avoid those powersets than get the 1 in 20 who does use it responsibly.|
Originally Posted by TheShattered
It's times like this I firmly believe i'm the only person who likes knockback*
*when used responsibly |
The other thing I find is that the only person who has "fun" with the KB is the person doing it and not the people putting up with it.
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
CoH in WQHD
I have been out playing a single player game for a month or so, so I am out of the loop.
What is this proc from? How do you get it?
Thanks,
Lewis
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Sounds like a must-get item, and I have 90 characters that must get it. So that may make me not bother. Sounds awesome tho. I know lots of ppl are talking about putting it in Bonfire, but I would love it in Gale.
Lewis
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Is the summer event going on now? And if so, how much longer does it last?
Sounds like a must-get item, and I have 90 characters that must get it. So that may make me not bother. Sounds awesome tho. I know lots of ppl are talking about putting it in Bonfire, but I would love it in Gale. Lewis |
and yes the event is live now till the end of the month
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Explosive arrow doesn't actually deal fire or energy damage so it won't light OSA.|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
Explosive Arrow - Now you can ignite the oil slick and not knockback the foes from oil slick.
M30 Grenade - Oh look, another buff to assault rifle. No more radial KB! Frag Grenade - See M30. |
Speaking for myself I don't really have a problem with knockback in those the powers you mention. yes it's a bit random (which is annoying) but it's also relatively low mag and doesn't scatter enemies (the knockback is angled based on your position, not the targets so it isn't actually radial unless you run into melee range). I toyed with adding the enhancement to my Crab's Frag Grenade but I don't see it being worth the slot.
On my energy blaster I LIKE Knockback... it makes the enemy impossible to approice me. Enhancing her survivability.
I put the kb>kd IO on Tornado on my Storm/Electric Defender. Finally the mobs stay together and are easily killed by Lightningstorm. The scattering also aggroed too much.
I also have a fire dom... so will make room for this one there too.
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My Dark/Fire Blaster is definitely going to slot it:
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I'd kill for there to be a non unique version of the proc so my energy/energy blaster could stop knocking things out of her own range...
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