To those who complained Tyrant was too easy...
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Acemace,
Posted on: 2012-05-31 14:21 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Ditto. I fail to see where this trial is hard at all. Boring? Sure. Hard? No. 6 times. No fails. The extra time was for missing the triple threat badge. Master of... If you failed your doing it wrong.
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Originally Posted by JohnP_NA
Ran it 5-6 times last night on Victory. We only failed once, the final time when we were going for The Really Hard Way and the timer ran out on Tyrant. We got the Master badge from the other runs and slotted up our Hybrids.
We were all +3. |
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I agree with Snow Globe, they overdid it.
We heard the same thing about Keyes when it first came out....Same with Underground. Looks like Magi trial will end up getting "changed" too.
Beta gets some of the best players out there, once it goes to the masses on live...
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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I'm seeing complaints that are pretty much identical to those made when BAF and Lambda came out, which tells me that within a month your average pug will be facerolling this.
@Demobot
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i went 4 for 4 ...the first time we did it.i learned just how important it was to quickly get the portals and towers.so i asked to be on the team that heads that up and we won every time
frankly i knew all the people i had on my team with me so i knew i wouldnt have any afkers/chatters nor forgetful people just wandering around.use the quills and quickly.get back into the fray and success was had
that being said im 96% and my t4 is already done. 4% more and ill be more then happy to break from it for a while.
Ran the Magisterium trial once. Succeeded.
I feel that camping the lights is largely a bad idea. You need every bit of DPS you can get on Tyrant to make it go smoothly. Assign a "Lights" team to melt them when they spawn. Ideally people that can read and see the little timer that tells you when they're coming back. A few seconds before the lights respawn they break off in pairs or whatever and demolish the lights before returning to assist on Tyrant. When that nice warning comes up about the crackle: move.
Oh, and use those quills. They do work.
@bpphantom
The Defenders of Paragon
KGB Special Section 8
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You noticed that too huh?
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Hm... I've seen this song and dance before.
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@bpphantom
The Defenders of Paragon
KGB Special Section 8
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No offense to the ones who are in this thread ... no it doesn't. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
Beta gets some of the best players out there
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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That statement concerned me as well. I don't have any T4s anywhere right now, certainly not specific ones.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
The entire league should NOT have to be bringing T4s to the trial.
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One of the selling points of the Incarnate system I thought was that it was lateral. Work on one slot or another, whatever you want for whatever your purposes are. If the Hybrid only unlocks from this trial, and to be able to reasonably participate in the trial you should have at least T3s if not specific T4s, that's not lateral at all. That's progressive. The devs are basically saying that you shouldn't be able to get Hybrid without having extensively developed the five (or at least three, I guess) other slots. It's not working on level 50-F, it's working on level 54.
If that continues I'd imagine you'd see diminishing numbers on who continues with...whatever the remaining slots are. Same goes for future content. If the Battalion content starts at an effective level 54, 55? Blech.
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You do not need tier 4s, but I would say tier 3s in Destiny and Lore are pretty important. I think two level shifts is likely necessary with three being preferable (I was on a successful league with someone who just had 1 level shift, but most were +3 and a few were +2).|
Originally Posted by gec72
One of the selling points of the Incarnate system I thought was that it was lateral. Work on one slot or another, whatever you want for whatever your purposes are. If the Hybrid only unlocks from this trial, and to be able to reasonably participate in the trial you should have at least T3s if not specific T4s, that's not lateral at all. That's progressive. The devs are basically saying that you shouldn't be able to get Hybrid without having extensively developed the five (or at least three, I guess) other slots. It's not working on level 50-F, it's working on level 54.
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TPN, MoM, DD, and Magi (and possibly even UG) are progressive relative to BaF, Lam, and Keyes. You don't necessarily need the level shifts, but it is a lot harder without them.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
You do not need tier 4s, but I would say tier 3s in Destiny and Lore are pretty important. I think two level shifts is likely necessary with three being preferable (I was on a successful league with someone who just had 1 level shift, but most were +3 and a few were +2).
TPN, MoM, DD, and Magi (and possibly even UG) are progressive relative to BaF, Lam, and Keyes. You don't necessarily need the level shifts, but it is a lot harder without them. |
THe trial is surprisingly unpopular...
The farm method is going to destroy peoples desire to ever play the trial again, its leaving a bad taste in their mouth. ITS NOT FUN
This was BAD BAD BAD design.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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So were others when they first came out |
Originally Posted by Shubbie
THe trial is surprisingly unpopular...
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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People werent intentionally failing and farming them and creating a culture of boredom.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So were others when they first came out
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Thats new.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
I thumbs up the new trial, for the first time in a few issue's I can actually let my toon loose, too many trials in the past have relied on single target damage or don't hit A till we have got to B. Now I can use whatever powers I want and apparently the faster I use them the better for badge purposes.
Keep it up Devs (I want use all my powers when I want to use them)
Too many 50's to list here's a few you may know.
Slazenger, Area51, Area53, Area54, Erruption, Mind Plague, Thresher, Sheath, Broadside, Debt
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
THe trial is surprisingly unpopular...
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Justice was running the crap out of it last night, and there weren't complaints about it that I saw. I mean, yeah, people didn't like failing, but it wasn't all "damn, this trial is awful". There was lots of "well, it's new, we'll figure it out".
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Yeah, they were.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
People werent intentionally failing and farming them and creating a culture of boredom.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Actually they are not the same complaints since Tyrant is 54 +5 and the max most people are in the trial is 50 +3. The average pug is already facerolling it since they are only doing the first 250 IDF and resetting it.
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Originally Posted by Demobot
I'm seeing complaints that are pretty much identical to those made when BAF and Lambda came out, which tells me that within a month your average pug will be facerolling this.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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If you destroy all six pillars of light, you get six level shifts for a duration I'm not clear on, but is good for a few cycles of my characters' attack chains, certainly. So intermittently, you are as high as 50+9. I made a point of saving my big debuffs and things like Judgement for those times.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Actually they are not the same complaints since Tyrant is 54 +5 and the max most people are in the trial is 50 +3. The average pug is already facerolling it since they are only doing the first 250 IDF and resetting it.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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And that point is why even people who do not have tons of level shifts can do well in the final fight. A 50+2 ends up only being -1 for a fair time if the league just gets those lights.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
If you destroy all six pillars of light, you get six level shifts for a duration I'm not clear on, but is good for a few cycles of my characters' attack chains, certainly. So intermittently, you are as high as 50+9. I made a point of saving my big debuffs and things like Judgement for those times.
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Quills and taking down the lights. It's not that tough, it just requires people to pay attention, MOVE around and to actually be a real incarnate.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
If you destroy all six pillars of light, you get six level shifts for a duration I'm not clear on, but is good for a few cycles of my characters' attack chains, certainly. So intermittently, you are as high as 50+9. I made a point of saving my big debuffs and things like Judgement for those times.
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@bpphantom
The Defenders of Paragon
KGB Special Section 8
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That almost makes it sound like it's meant to be slightly more challenging than other content.
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Originally Posted by bpphantom
It's not that tough, it just requires people to pay attention
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I respect that and if you see my first post here I said I had done it to completion several times. The point being made here is a different one than how difficult the trial is or is not, that really is NOT the issue.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
If you destroy all six pillars of light, you get six level shifts for a duration I'm not clear on, but is good for a few cycles of my characters' attack chains, certainly. So intermittently, you are as high as 50+9. I made a point of saving my big debuffs and things like Judgement for those times.
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The issue is only one trial to get the IXP for the Hybrid slot to be unlocked AND the mechanics within just has people bypassing ALL four of the AV's and Tyrant and resetting the trial right after killing 250 IDF for the IXP alone. The AV and Tyrant fights don't make the radar under this soon to be standard scenario.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Adding a few costume parts as exclusive Magisterium reward table choices might help
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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This is not a bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Adding a few costume parts as exlusive Magisterium reward table choices might help
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Ran it 5-6 times last night on Victory. We only failed once, the final time when we were going for The Really Hard Way and the timer ran out on Tyrant. We got the Master badge from the other runs and slotted up our Hybrids.
We were all +3.
@JohnP - Victory