To those who complained Tyrant was too easy...
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Posted on: 2012-05-31 14:21 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I hope they get that fixed.
Im already seeing magi forming no MM's.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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I think tyrant iss too tough, and takes too long to defeat for the paltry rewards you get. Imo should be 4 emps for the first time
Last night I was on a league duskforce put together and it took forever which i said the moment he got to mini me mode! We were mostly +3 and +2 and it seemed everyone was dying awfully frequently except for me somehow, on my StJ/Fire/Soul Brute I didn't die once my PPP Pet died plenty in my stead and with great immediacy though, I was ultra attentive with that air crackle gimick, my self heal and my insp use and T4 Barrier so i survived the whole extrodinarly long ordeal all the while spamming all my -res related or procing abilities, super tired btw, got to the end and I didn't even get the MUTHA ******* reward table!
It was my first run on that toon and my only reward was a paltry 10 threads and 29% towards hybrid; Eff that trial, not fun, not rewarding, excruciatingly long, if I got my two emps I would have had less to complain about but I would have still preferred a farm run which we did two of afterwards (Thx Batz)in what felt like a 3rd of the time it took to do the complete run which sucked
btw I've completed it on a KM/Nin/Fire at least once, got my rewards, and still think it sucks failed another 4 runs on my bots/traps/mu the first saturday it went live I wish I had gone to the gym that day instead of focusing on the completion and unlock which has soured me on the whole trial
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What server is that on. I am on Freedom running these pretty much all day since the release and NEVER have come across "ANY" AT restriction posts for this trial?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
I hope they get that fixed.
Im already seeing magi forming no MM's. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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It doesn't take that much skill to screen what AT someone is and verify that they are not a MM. Certainly, someone who reads forums enough to know about the 16 buff cap is skilled enough to screen.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
What server is that on. I am on Freedom running these pretty much all day since the release and NEVER have come across "ANY" AT restriction posts for this trial?
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H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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That would make it possible to do, but how would you see it happening?
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
It doesn't take that much skill to screen what AT someone is and verify that they are not a MM. Certainly, someone who reads forums enough to know about the 16 buff cap is skilled enough to screen.
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There are players who would have a fit if you said "Magi trial forming no MMs, pst" However, if you go "Magi trial forming, pst" but screen to make sure the invitees are not MMs, its the same thing and people don't know.
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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That's right: people don't know. So how could anyone claim to *see* it happening?
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Originally Posted by newchemicals
There are players who would have a fit if you said "Magi trial forming no MMs, pst" However, if you go "Magi trial forming, pst" but screen to make sure the invitees are not MMs, its the same thing and people don't know.
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Well, there are people who will say no MMs.
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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Me too.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
I hope they get that fixed.
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At least we know why there are such inconsistent results from trial run to trial run. A bug in the trial can cause all kinds of misperceptions about what to expect. Aside from farming the IDF for AIxp, there is no reason for me to run this trial until the bug is fixed.
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Just ran two Magi, no pets at all. Tyrant dropped like one of Zsa Zsa Gabor's lovers after a bad date, no more than 5 minutes to defeat him.
Please fix quickly. 
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I have led approx 15 MAGs and have never screened for AT.. only thing I screen for is that the player is +3.|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
It doesn't take that much skill to screen what AT someone is and verify that they are not a MM. Certainly, someone who reads forums enough to know about the 16 buff cap is skilled enough to screen.
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Even on the MAGs I have not led. .I have seen at least 1-2 MMs on them...
Ever think maybe the MM/player being screened is 1 starred?? on someone's ignore?? I star people I play with consistently with notes...and if I am leading a trial...I use THAT to screen people
When I run into lazy players in trials.. I 1 star them and never invite them again.... I rarely kick from trials... I figure them getting their thread reward is their punishment
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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Could also just be one of the guys whose willing to lead [big star is scary] doesn't like MMs [or stalkers, or whatever the flava of the fail is this month] and thus it occurs implicitly.|
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
I have led approx 15 MAGs and have never screened for AT.. only thing I screen for is that the player is +3.
Even on the MAGs I have not led. .I have seen at least 1-2 MMs on them... Ever think maybe the MM/player being screened is 1 starred?? on someone's ignore?? I star people I play with consistently with notes...and if I am leading a trial...I use THAT to screen people When I run into lazy players in trials.. I 1 star them and never invite them again.... I rarely kick from trials... I figure them getting their thread reward is their punishment |
Something else to consider, which is something that was occurring during the buggier times of first wave of iTrials was that the leaders would tend to only recruit one or two MMs at most because of the lag issue. I can see similar issues cropping up here.
Ya, a lot of folks really won't care. And most really won't, but I can certainly understand folks wanting to reduce that impact.
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The problem is MM pets steal the buffs from players right now.|
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
I have led approx 15 MAGs and have never screened for AT.. only thing I screen for is that the player is +3.
Even on the MAGs I have not led. .I have seen at least 1-2 MMs on them... Ever think maybe the MM/player being screened is 1 starred?? on someone's ignore?? I star people I play with consistently with notes...and if I am leading a trial...I use THAT to screen people When I run into lazy players in trials.. I 1 star them and never invite them again.... I rarely kick from trials... I figure them getting their thread reward is their punishment |
So you either have to let the MM go petless which means no dps from them or leave them out.
Its a bug but its a detrimental bug which means it should be fixed around christmas.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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Okay, even I'm not this pessimistic. At a guess it will be sometime in the next few weeks, but no later than late July.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Its a bug but its a detrimental bug which means it should be fixed around christmas.
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Or giving them an excuse to go petless and just take/slot out the weak blasts.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
The problem is MM pets steal the buffs from players right now.
So you either have to let the MM go petless which means no dps from them or leave them out. Its a bug but its a detrimental bug which means it should be fixed around christmas. |
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Petless mm's are weak buff/debuff and a insignificant source of damage.|
Originally Posted by Zul_Vakirol
Or giving them an excuse to go petless and just take/slot out the weak blasts.
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If you are determined to carry them despite them being a liability, due to a sense of fair play thats your choice.
But dont try to paint over they are a liability on the trial as it is now with the bug.
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As long as people understand what the bug is then MM's and teams with them have not to worry about. Ignorance of the facts as always is the only downfall here since the bug is going to be fixed asap per the devs.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
But dont try to paint over they are a liability on the trial as it is now with the bug.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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As a /Traps mm, my debuffs actually come from pet summons as well.|
Originally Posted by Zul_Vakirol
Or giving them an excuse to go petless and just take/slot out the weak blasts.
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Well, except for Poison Trap [which is certainly nice].
That said, I was just in a 16 man group which was productive even with me running around with my initial blast [I can still take out lights].
So my perspective has changed a bit in that regards. Still I'd enjoy it more when the bug is fixed. Also, Tyrant goes down fast when the lights are working properly. So it's not really even that long of the trial, but I suspect there may be a need to re-evaluate the trial with the bug fixed.
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Was on 2 14 player full Magi runs (no pets), he went down fast, probably faster than the AVs in MoM or TPN.
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Petless mm's are weak buff/debuff and a insignificant source of damage.
If you are determined to carry them despite them being a liability, due to a sense of fair play thats your choice. But dont try to paint over they are a liability on the trial as it is now with the bug. |
Kudos for me I guess for being a "fair player." All ATs have a primary AND a secondary...just saying.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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Why would you take someone who has their entire primary removed.|
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Yer a glass half empty kinda person aren't ya?
Kudos for me I guess for being a "fair player." All ATs have a primary AND a secondary...just saying. |
Would you take a blaster that has no ranged attacks?
MM's secondary is quite a bit weaker than a controller or a corruptor.
Im not trying to be mean but an MM now is more a liability than an asset, good play cant overcome this kind of disadvantage, im not saying it cant be overcome, but you are essentially pity slotting them.
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After the bug fix, will pets automatically acquire the same virtual level (i.e., including all situational level shifts) as the owning character?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Petless mm's are weak buff/debuff and a insignificant source of damage.
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THey will either get the levels of their owners or they will get their own buffs or at the very least wont steal them from other players which will put them in a much better spot.
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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
After the bug fix, will pets automatically acquire the same virtual level (i.e., including all situational level shifts) as the owning character?
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Wait, I thought they had the same debuffs? In fact, I know that Power Drain effects (Weaken) are STRONGER on a MM then a Corruptor.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
MM's secondary is quite a bit weaker than a controller or a corruptor..
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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And we have official word for some things that have been noted or speculated on.
I hope you're enjoying the Magisterium! I wanted to pop in to clarify some mechanics of the final fight:
1.) Your deaths have no effect on Tyrant at all. He has no mechanics that trigger on player death
2.) There is currently a bug where only 16 players/pets will receive the level shift from destroying Light of the Well. We’ll be fixing this in an upcoming patch as quickly as possible – I checked the fix in as soon as the issue was discovered.
3.) Tyrant does not have a self heal. He does have a self-buff power which consumes his Olympian Guards, killing them, and providing him with bonus ToHit and Smashing Damage for each guard consumed in this way. This has a visual effect which looks a bit like a heal, but is meant instead to connote “Powering up off dark energy”.
4.) There is no direct negative effect to “Being in the hospital”. I have seen several people postulate that Tyrant heals or grows in power when people are in the hospital, but the only effect hosping has on him is that you’re dead and not DPSing, and therefore his regeneration is healing him better.
I hope this information helps you, and good luck in your endeavours to bring Tyrant down!
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