Epic Archetypes

I would like to suggest that epic archetypes be allowed to be created as heroes, villains or praetorians.

I don't like the red side. I'd like to try out both the widow and the soldier- and I'm sure not gonna pay 800 points to bring them to blue side instantly. I just don't understand why they want to "force" me to choose to play redside if I select a certain AT.

So, I won't try that AT until they change this.

/unsigned

They're epic due to epic storyline reasons (whether people think the storyline is any good or not is a different matter).

Meh. It's a bad idea, so /unsigned. I'd like to see some storylines for EATs that have switched. (Warshade returns to it evil ways, Arachnos Soldier becomes a mole for Longbow...)

Guess you won't be playing that AT then.



And you don't have to spend 800 points.

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One time, I wanted a Peacebringer redside for thematic reasons

Also, it makes no sense for EATS to start in Praetoria. Praetoria doesn't seem to have any sort of Kheldian or Nictus presence, and of course, Arachnos doesn't exist there.

As much as I would like to /sign it .... unfortunately not.

(Redside isn't -that- bad )

Unsigned, especially with regard to blueside/goldside Arachnos. Because they're Arachnos.

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill And you don't have to spend 800 points.

Assuming you already have access to the alignment system, anyway. If you don't, well, then it'll cost you.

But if you do have access, run a few DFB trials to get to 20, have a Fortunata drop you down to -1/x1, and do five rogue missions today and five tomorrow. Then a rogue alignment mission, and voila! Blueside Arachnos. Depending on how quickly you decide to speed through those tips and how much XP you skip in the name of just getting the job done, you're looking at a total of about four to six hours' play to get there, and you're not stepping all over game lore to do it.

But - it's more than that - it's 10 rogue missions,(+morality) then 10 hero missions (+morality) and then 10 more hero tips (+morality) to reenforce the alignment (or else no hero merits from SSA).

Red side is for the most part a ghost town.

The story line of these "epic archetypes" is fine, for those that choose to immerse themselves in it. I choose not to.

And, I could pl myself to 20 in rwz AE and jump through the necessary hurdles to go blueside. But why? It's completely unnecessary.

I do not think that it is a coincidence that blue side is far more populated than red side. Red side - the devs did such a good job with it - that it literally makes me sad to be there. Spiders and snakes? Why would I want to immerse myself in that environment?

It is not the content I object to - but the depressing environment.
Boomtown is pretty vacant on blueside as well. Small wonder.

Dark Astoria was largely vacant also, except for occasional Adamastor and BP mask hunts.

I'd rather do my zone traveling - if I have to do it at all -in a nicer environment.

But, you all disagree, and you're allowed to.

But I still make the suggestion. There is no VALID reason not to. Not valid to me, anyway.

Just because you don't like the environment of Redside, that doesn't change what the Epic archetypes represent.

The whole idea behind the Epic archetypes is that their backstory is, to some degree, constrained. If you want your background not to be tied to game lore or an ongoing character arc, then you don't take the Epic ATs.

For example, Arachnos Soldiers and Widows are working for Arachnos right now. That means they're not heroes helping to clean up Atlas Park, and they're certainly not working for Emperor Cole or the Resistance. They're working for Lord Recluse and only Lord Recluse.

Similarly, a new Kheldian is right now just starting his or her heroic journey. Peacebringers are by nature heroic, while the whole point for Warshades is that they're trying to atone for their evil deeds as Nictus. Though they may turn later in their careers (i.e., after level 20), right now they're on the side of the angels.

And note that if you DO use the morality system to change sides, then you lose access to their personal stories, and the "epic" part is done.

So whether you personally consider it "valid" or not, that's the reason, and that's not going to change any time soon.

I look at it this way, at least you have the option (however annoying) to take an epic archetype to the other side. It beats not be able to at all!

In the case of SoA if they did allow them to be heroes at level 1, then we will get all of the whine posts about my SoA has to be level 20 to get out of the SoA uniform. Followed by whine posts that hero SoA are "cheated" out of a costume slot.

At some point when the devs have time they might add in the feature for level 1 EATs for any side. Until then, you just have to live with the workaround.

While I would find it extraordinarily convenient, it wouldn't make sense to me to have soldiers of Arachnos starting out blueside.

I'd really like to see the game mechanics of team-friendly soldiers and shapeshifters not be gated behind single-alignment story-driven archetypes.

Yes, it makes sense for Arachnos Soldiers to have to start redside. But the mechanics of the archetype make for a great soldier-type character of any concept. Space Marine/Nick Fury-esque agent/Black Widow esque superspy/Parallel Earth police and so on. And none of these are innately villainous.

I did exactly what Kazz did, and retconned away the first 20 levels and the strict Arachnos connection on my Huntsman.

The only one of the Epic ATs that makes any sense to start on the opposite side is the Warshade.

And they would actually be a Nictus, not a true Warshade.

You can still unlock EATs and VEATs the old fashion way by reaching lvl 20 (used to be 50) with any character. Buying them on the market is like buying capes and auras, it's possible but usually unnecessary.

That said, it's pretty fun, story-wise, to grind Arachnos grunts to lvl 24 red-side as an extended tutorial of sorts, then, once you unlock the AT specializations, grow a conscience and shift to blue side using the tips system. Not that you've asked, but here's a few plot suggestions to justify the morality shift:

- Breaking away from the Bane Network - It's as if a bucket of cold water was suddenly dumped on top of your toon's head when he gained back his free will after years of psychic bondage. Reading his own file was torture, he still can't believe the things he was forced to do, and it's even worse to actually *remember* the glee he felt while doing those things. Your toon wants redemption, desperately, but he has no clue on how to get it...

- Haunted by the future - All Fortunatas are blessed with the ability to glimpse beyond the present. Your toon doesn't feel blessed, though. She *knows* that Arachnos is heading for its own destruction, and it'll take most of the world with it. Your toon has repeatedly warned the Arbiters, the Patrons, even Lord Recluse himself that all this childish bickering with Paragon City needs to stop, that a Coming Storm is on the horizon and needs to be stopped at all costs, but no one in the Rogue Isles is willing listening...

- Caught in the crossfire - An Arbiter tells your toon to kill someone, she doesn't ask why. That's the code of the Night Widows, do as you're told and get the job done without fuss. Only this time, an Arbiter sent your toon to kill another Arbiter. Out of spite, greed, revenge for a self-perceived slight, she doesn't know. What your toon does know is that she's dead. She needs to get out of the Rogue Isles, yesterday if at all possible, and if the only way to do it is to play nice with Longbow and the rest of the spandex gang, so be it...

The only reason I can think of to put the Kheldians Red side is if Statesman never died but in fact became Reichsman. Then he combined the Council and 5th Column into one organization and became an ally of Arachnos. Since there are Kheldians in the Council it would stay story based.

Now as far as the Arachnos epics go. Why would they be on blue side to start? I can see Arachnos putting a base in Praetoria to keep an eye on Scott. But why would he bother with Praetoria now that Statesman is dead and not going to stop him from taking over?

If you can't stand redside that much, you do know that you can take any epic to Gold side to lvl right? You don't get any missions or anything by doing that though, but you do get the Gold side ghost town to play on.

1) Create your EPIC.

2)Hit up DFB to at least lvl 12-15.

3)Hit up AE until level 20.(Go for dev's choice)

4)Tips to cross over.

There ya go,and you never even had to step into one instance mish on redside.(With the exception of tips)

I too dislike redside content, I like the AT's alot though. However, I do agree with the majority in the thread with the spiders starting out red and then working their way blue.

Your main complaint is you hate red, right? Run DFB until lvl 20 which should be about 6 maybe 7 runs with xp boosters and the experienced temp, then do your rogue missions, which will earn you a neutral status and work at your own pace. Hero status is not necessary if you are just trying to get out of red based content.