Poll: Vote for the COH Forums Reskin
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The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.
I personally preferred having States and Recluse up there. That was, in fact, my all time favourite. It rocked.
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/sarcasm off.
And although I appreciate the apology also, I still think that this was very poorly handled from a community relations point of view. Pulling the poll the moment the technical screw up was spotted would have been blunt but better than leaving it up and letting people think that it was actually going to change anything.
And for what it's worth, I have no issues with the apparent sexism of the picture. I dislike it because it's a truly awful piece of artwork. And I know damn well that Paragon can do better than that.
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I just want to know what's up with Penny's eyebrows. Not only this picture but in general. She glued on the fake sideburns, presumably to get into bars with the rest of the Phalanx. Now her eyebrows are the same color as her sideburns but not her hair. Does she dye them? Did she shave them off and glue on a set to match the sideburns? Is she wearing eyebrow guards to protect her natural eyebrows?
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While I'm at it, now that I'm looking at it every day, something's been bothering me about Penny's appearance, and it finally hit me that her chest is wrong. I'm not sure how to best explain this, but her cleavage shouldn't extend all the way up to her neck in a top like that. It should stop half way and the top "flatten out" near her neck. It looks like she's wearing inflatable breasts around her neck, if that makes sense.
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That is the sound of a world, somewhere, imploding due to the amount of Irony that just occurred
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I'm sorry, if Version 1 got such a landslide victory, why are we using version 2?
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I hope that your web team doesn't apply to the new version whatever idiotic hack causes the client cookie deletion (resulting in seeming loss of session state).
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I'm sorely tempted to make a "Remember me dammit, CoH Boards!" firefox addon.
I'm sorry, if Version 1 got such a landslide victory, why are we using version 2?
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It seems much more helpful that way.
There were a few posts by Z before this, but these quotes seemed most relevant to answering your question.
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I'll look into offering a generic skin for the forums, but to set expectations, this isn't something that would happen until Issue 24 at the earliest. |
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Thanks! -Z |
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I do, from the bottom of my heart, apologize to anyone who may find this is a betrayal of trust or duplicitous in nature. It's never our intention to have to change an initial decision, but sometimes it does happen.
I made this decision, so if you must assign blame, assign it to me. As the lead for the Community team, I often times have to make decisions that are controversial or counter to popular or vocally expressed opinion. In this case, I looked at the options we had available, in the time we had available, and made a decision. Our original intention *was* to give the Community an option in this matter. Unfortunately, circumstances didn't work out. Production schedules being what they are, we did not have the option to resubmit this skin for Community consensus. In the end, it was far more important to me to not alter the size of the reading pane and thus change the structure of what you're actually looking at 99% of the time on these forums; The posts and the words contained therein. I'd like to be clear on one thing: There is never any guarantee that something submitted by popular consensus will be the final version. Whenever possible, we will absolutely give you the option, as has been evidenced by content such as the upcoming Retro Sci-Fi costume set, but there is never an implicit guarantee. Thanks -Z |
Unfortunately, we don't have the option to offer different backgrounds in the same way we can recolor the frames (hero/villain skins). I tried pushing for this option to be available, as I previous stated I would, however the amount of time it would take to develop this option is going to take significantly longer to get on the schedule.
It's not to say it's a dead issue, it simply sits further down on the priority chain than other requests I have in, such as upgrading to the most recent version of Vbulletin and offering a mobile friendly skin for the forums. |
Just remember, things are not always what they seem.
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If Masterminds didn't suck, they'd be the most powerful AT in the game.
Unfortunately, we don't have the option to offer different backgrounds ...
... it simply sits further down on the priority chain than other requests I have in, such as upgrading to the most recent version of Vbulletin and offering a mobile friendly skin for the forums. |
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I can visit the forums just fine on my Android phone, except for some side-scrolling and the inability to log in--I can only read. When I try to log in, it thanks me for logging in, but then returns me to the forum without actually having logged me in. But as far as load times, it's already very impressive and pops right up (even when there's no WiFi around!). I was pretty surprised by that. But yeah, a cosmetically simpler design without the need to scroll would be even more awesome.
And, I just want to say, that I absolutely love the banner design that we ended up with. I understand and respect that it's not the community's first choice. But those of us who do like it, we do exist, even if we've been drowned out. As someone who still reads super hero comic books in the modern era, I assure you that the action-oriented imagery above is more representative of the genre and more like something you'd see on the cover of a Marvel comic book. I've noticed many of the people who are complaining, and remember many of them from David's "What costume next?" threads, and I know many of them have emphatically stated they're not fans of the comic book super hero genre. It's something I've been scratching my chin over.
Whether it's the image above, or issues supposedly related to sexism, I've noticed a vocal group here who've got a problem with the comic book genre, a genre that me and many of my friends and co-workers are fans of. I appreciate the emotion ya'll are pumping into what you see as the good fight, but I also think there are more productive channels for what you're doing, which, basically, is activism. Maybe you should be marching outside of Disney's or Warner Bro's offices, or posting on their forums. I'm not sure if it should even be considered appropriate for you to "march against comic book themes" here, for the same reason you probably wouldn't appreciate angry parents marching right inside your video game store while you were trying to shop. I'm a patient person, but honestly, this is starting to grate on me. Even if members of Paragon Studios are sympathetic to your concerns, we'll never know, because their publisher, NCSoft, expects a profit and an artistic direction that is sympathetic toward fans of the genre as it actually exists, and certainly not its detractors.
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... because their publisher, NCSoft, expects a profit and an artistic direction that is sympathetic toward fans of the genre as it actually exists, ...
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For some reason, when I think of comic books, I don't think of old Asian costumes. So you can take your explanation and stick it.
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I've come here too late, so all I have to say is this:
Wait... there's artwork of Penny when she isn't twisting her butt into the frame?
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For some reason, when I think of comic books, I don't think of old Asian costumes.
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But I get it, I get it. You're one of the people I typed about, so you don't like what I typed. I respect you and your position more than you think I do. I believe it has merit, and I'd never in a million years tell you to stick it. But I would also never march into the middle of your entertainment and nitpick to tell you how immoral it is, especially when consensus on said entertainment was so divided (video games are an excellent example, which is why I used it above).
(Edit: But y'know, one thing I absolutely would march in support for is your right to your entertainment, even if I didn't agree with it.)
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I'm actually NOT one of those people you typed about, just FYI.
I am, however, 100% disappointed that they couldn't chop up the winning image and stick those overtop of the forum like they did with the losing image.
After all, standing in a mildly heroic pose is just as comic booky as leaping away from logos.
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I can visit the forums just fine on my Android phone, except for some side-scrolling and the inability to log in--I can only read. When I try to log in, it thanks me for logging in, but then returns me to the forum without actually having logged me in.
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Even when it did work, the log-in would last only until I roamed far enough to get a different IP address (or switched between wifi and 3G), at which point I'd be logged out. Going back to the home screen and then into the browser again also usually resulted in a logout, which is extremely annoying.
I'm sure this is a direct result of the "Remember me" option being set up to not actually remember you, on purpose from what we've been told.
So yeah, before they worry about a mobile skin for the forums, they need to deal with the forums themselves being very mobile unfriendly.
I think the main issue here isn't necessarily the background itself, but the fact that an official poll about which one the community wanted was posted by the community manager himself and in the end the results of the poll didn't matter. Had the poll been posted by a community member, I doubt there would've been nearly as much of an outcry. Asking what the community wants and then going with the overwhelming minority choice, regardless of whether or not good reasons exist for doing so, looks bad and it's completely understandable why people would be upset. I honestly couldn't care less what the background of the forum looks like, but this poll just seemed rather disingenuous.
The only thing that smacks as disingenuous is the collectively spoiled rotten tantrum in this thread. Yes, the requirements illustrated by the mockups should have been checked (I still think Zwillinger is jumping on someone else's grenade). But after all of the victories we've had in community participation recently (Edit: "we've" as in, us and the devs together) (hello and hello and hello), I find it remarkably petty that ya'll are ready to burn whoever's responsible for this minor goof at the stake. Good luck with that. If the community here wants to be all Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde when plans hit a snag, that's fine if all you're wanting is to send Paragon Studios a message that community participation can be perilous.
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My only legitimate non-Penny-Yin-related complaint is before they even held this poll they should have checked to actually see if both options presented were viable and no snags would be hit with either. It's always good to plan things out and test everything as much as possible. Especially when putting said options in the hands of the players. They obviously did not do that, and look where we are.
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