Rumors about new Star Trek 2

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So you're saying it's time for speculations to run amok for this new movie... a sort of Amok Time if you will.

There have been rumors about the "big villain" in this movie for months now. I'm probably going to see it regardless, but I really do hope they move past the whole "reboot/origin" concept and make a good solid movie. Part or what made Abrams' first Trek movie vaguely annoying was his need to "reinvent/reintroduce" the characters. Love them or hate them they are the new cast of the franchise so we should just get over it and have a movie that's actually worthy of being considered a Trek movie - even if that has to be some kind of rehash of Khan.

Well, you have to make sure that everyone gets A Piece of the Action.

Yes indeed, an Amok Time

Seriously though, bringing in Khan I honestly feel is a mistake. Ricardo Montalbon made that character, and yes he is perhaps the deadliest non-Klingon enemy of Kirk but I was hoping for something new.

As to reinventing or reintroducing the characters, the old Trek series had its pilot episode The Cage/Menagerie, then the new pilot Where No Man Has Gone Before, complete with prop changes and cast changes, and that Kirk was Captain of the Enterprise for it's third 5 year mission, the previous one under Pike and before that was Robert April.

Now instead, Kirk is command of the Enterprise fresh out of the shipyard, no Robert April and Pike's tenure was brief. As to the rest of the bridge crew, it was never stated in canon how or why they were assigned to the Enterprise back in the old days, they were just simply there. Chekov comes in later as the newest bridge crew member fairly fresh from the academy, but Sulu, Uhura and Scotty's back stories were never really told in the show or movies. So learning their origins is fine with me, but I'd rather see new menaces arise in this new Trek and not a rehashed Khan.

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The irony of the Abrams "alternate timeline" reboot is that it should be relatively easy to explain why Nu-Kirk and company would never be in the right place at the right time to ever run across Kahn's sleeper ship in the first place. The destruction of Vulcan has likely changed where the Enterprise would be in the galaxy at any point -after- that. An encounter with Nu-Kahn should realistically never happen in AbramsTrek.

Regardless I'm not going to assume that this new movie with Nu-Khan is automatically going to be good or bad. But clearly Abrams' naivety with the franchise is leading him think that bringing back Khan (arguably the best Star Trek movie villain) is a safe bet for his new movie. I suppose time will tell if it blows up in his face or not.

They want Khan back for the villain name recognition to help generate fan interest and keep this nu-Trek alive.

However, unless Spock-Prime tells Kirk about the Botany Bay and at what coordinates it was found and at what stardate they found it and THEN they backtrack along Botany Bay's vector at the time it was found to try to find it now, then Kirk shouldn't be the one to find it.

Which means Khan should not have a psychotic obsession with wanting Kirk dead like he did in Wrath of Khan. That version of Khan's hatred of Kirk was somewhat justifiable after all since neither Kirk nor Starfleet sought to check on them over the 15 years they were on the planet, but it wasn't Kirk's fault that Ceti Alpha 6 exploded and trashed the environment of Ceti Alpha 5, or that Khan's wife was killed.

So, the Khan we get should be the Khan from Space Seed. He wants to take over and conquer and feels that his time is now in this new era he awakes in. To me, this should be the more deadly version of Khan since he was thinking more clearly then he was in Wrath of Khan. In W.O.K. he was way too obsessed with vengeance.

Frankly in this new timeline I'd be more interested in Spock-Prime telling them about the Doomsday Machine. That device is a greater menace then Khan and should be intercepted and neutralized immediately. Also we never learned its origins or if others are out there, so that may make for an interesting movie.

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Khan did study as many files as he could in Space Seed. It is possible that he saw the roster of the crew and studied it to determine potential threats and allies and that Chekov was on the Enterprise but not part of the bridge crew yet.


I've always been more curious about just why Starfleet didn't impose a quarantine of the Ceti Alpha star system after Khan was planted in Ceti Alpha 5, why Starfleet didn't have some automated monitoring station setup to monitor the planet in case Khan escaped, and just HOW the crew of the Reliant upon entering the star system didn't happen to notice that a planet was missing from the system that should have been on their maps of the star system.

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Yes but of course something like that could only be understood by someone who actually cared about the franchise he's running now. I'd be surprised if we didn't see "laser swords" and "X-wing" fighters show up in the next Trek.

Then again maybe if somebody convinced him that the Doomsday Machine was something like Star Trek's version of a Death Star then maybe he'd be willing to go for it.

See this is why we can't have nice, mindless movies like the good old days - people have to have the audacity to remember that actions have consequences even in a fictional universe...

Actually comparing the Doomsday Machine to the Death Star isn't too bad of a comparison. The TNG novel VENDETTA gave us a new Doomsday Machine and revealed the purpose of it and the prototype that Kirk destroyed: DESTROY THE BORG.

Hey now, the Chekov error and not noticing that a planet was missing and that the beamed down to Ceti Alpha 5 and not 6 are rather bad blunders

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I've always been in favor of killing Khan completely in JJTrek. It wouldn't be that difficult either. You had, what, four black holes (one to send Nero back, one to send Real Spock back, one to destroy Vulcan, one to destroy Nero) get created in that movie? It's entirely possible that any one of them could've screwed with the Botany Bay's trajectory and sent it crashing into a planet or asteroid or something. Then, at the beginning of the next JJTrek installment, you just have the crew come across the wreckage, beam aboard a piece with the ship's name, say there were no survivors, and then leave for their next adventure. Perhaps something involving JJ's Klingon S&M fetish.

I loved that book.

I simply find it highly questionable that Abrams went through all this trouble to setup a new Star Trek timeline to play with and the first serious thing he does with that nearly infinite sandbox is to go back and pull something out of the original series that'll have to be "hand-waved" for it to even be possible in his new "vision" of the Trek universe. *sigh*

Yeah, I don't get it either. Why go through all the trouble of jettisoning all of Trek lore (with the exception of Enterprise ) to start over if you're just going to reuse it all anyway? As I've said before, if all they wanted TOS with better special effects, they should've just left it at TOS Remastered instead of trying to completely reboot the whole franchise.

Those guys need to unplug once and awhile.. their whole theory is based on the black shirt Quintos wearing, the same black 'undershirts' they all wore in #1. Goofy.




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But for this part I will have to go take a listen to my DVD again...

Oh, how I hate that movie.

You still need a strong villain to sell a movie. Star Wars needed Darth Vader as well as the Death Star.

Put the Enterprise on a mission to intercept the Doomsday Machine, but picks up Kahn on the way. Then, as you would expect, KAAAAAAAAAHN!!!! gains control of the Doomsday Machine, and you have a plot.

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Of course to bring it up to date they'll probably turn the "space hippies" into "99% percenters" upset that the fat-cat dilithium mine owners horde all the credits from their space commerce leaving everyone else unable to pay off their space mortgages or space college tuitions.

You actually bring up a good point here. It's hard to imagine a new Trek movie being made where the "main bad guy" is not an actual person.

As cool as it might be to see a new movie where they have to defeat a Doomsday Machine or some other non-human sci-fi threat I don't think today's movie makers would risk making a movie without an actual "evil villain" that Kirk and company can face eye-to-eye. That's probably why the first Star Trek movie didn't do so well because it was hard for general audiences to accept an "enemy" they couldn't really see as a clearly defined bad guy.