Rumors about new Star Trek 2
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Posted on: 2012-05-01 09:35 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Balance of Terror worked well because it was a short. I don't think it has enough stuff happening for a full length movie. Not unless you expanded the Romulan side of the tale, which would have the problem of not featuring your main cast members.
And the other thing the execs would want is interaction between hero and villain. BoT works so well by paralleling events on both ships, with minimal interaction between the two.
Oh, and we had Romulans in the last movie, I doubt they would want them again.
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Perhaps you're right. Well as long as they don't decide to base a movie on the Spock's Brain episode.....
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Balance of Terror worked well because it was a short. I don't think it has enough stuff happening for a full length movie. Not unless you expanded the Romulan side of the tale, which would have the problem of not featuring your main cast members.
And the other thing the execs would want is interaction between hero and villain. BoT works so well by paralleling events on both ships, with minimal interaction between the two. Oh, and we had Romulans in the last movie, I doubt they would want them again. |
I think Roddenberry himself said that Balance of Terror was basically the space version of those old classic WWII movies where you had the surface destroyer playing out a cat-n-mouse duel with a submarine. While it's a good dramatic scenario I agree it would be kind of hard to make that work for two hours in a movie made in 2012. I don't think general audiences today have enough attention span to accept the inherent slow/silent periods in that situation.
If I were borrowing from an old TOS episode I'd personally go with The Enterprise Incident. You could have some Mission Impossible styled futuristic spy action and some intrigue when you got Uhura jealous over Spock making some mission related sexy-time with a hot Romulan Commander. This might not be the best idea for the very next movie (especially considering what PRAF68_EU said about overdosing on Romulans lately) but maybe this would work for another movie a few years from now.
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Yup. They did the "submarine vs Battleship" scenario in an episode of the Star Wars cartoon too. It's a good set up for a short, but it drags if you try to pad it out too much. Two unconnected soap operas between the respective crewmembers, and flashbacks...
I would love to see a version of "the Enterprise Incident". Maybe they could swap out Romulans for Klingons?
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Hm, perhaps the M5 computer?
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I think Roddenberry himself said that Balance of Terror was basically the space version of those old classic WWII movies where you had the surface destroyer playing out a cat-n-mouse duel with a submarine. While it's a good dramatic scenario I agree it would be kind of hard to make that work for two hours in a movie made in 2012. I don't think general audiences today have enough attention span to accept the inherent slow/silent periods in that situation.
If I were borrowing from an old TOS episode I'd personally go with The Enterprise Incident. You could have some Mission Impossible styled futuristic spy action and some intrigue when you got Uhura jealous over Spock making some mission related sexy-time with a hot Romulan Commander. This might not be the best idea for the very next movie (especially considering what PRAF68_EU said about overdosing on Romulans lately) but maybe this would work for another movie a few years from now. |
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The Ultimate Computer was a great TOS episode, but sadly I think too many people would somehow think a new movie based on it today would be some kind of rip-off of the HAL 9000 idea from 2001: A Space Odyssey. The only way the Star Trek episode got away with it was that it aired about a month before 2001 hit the theaters back in 1968. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Hm, perhaps the M5 computer?
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The Menagerie might make a good movie. It was already about two hours long, and it would be a nice change of pace from the shooty-camera-shake-lens-flare of the last movie, since the crew would have to think its way out of the mind games. And it has the opportunity for more gratuitous shots of Uhura in her panties, what with the Talosians wanting to breed humans as a servant race.
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Perhaps an adaptation of the Squire of Gothos? We never knew what race he was from, until Peter David' TNG novel Q-Squared revealed he was an adolescent Q and the Q that we all love to hate is both his mentor and secretly his father.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
The Ultimate Computer was a great TOS episode, but sadly I think too many people would somehow think a new movie based on it today would be some kind of rip-off of the HAL 9000 idea from 2001: A Space Odyssey. The only way the Star Trek episode got away with it was that it aired about a month before 2001 hit the theaters back in 1968.
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The problem with adapting The Menagerie to the JJTrek universe is that they've already significantly changed the history/fate of Captain Pike. Yes they got him into a wheelchair by the end of the last movie. But I honestly don't see Nu-Spock caring much about breaking the law to get Pike to Talos IV (especially after Vulcan just went boom) or even that the Enterprise would have gone to Talos IV in the new timeline years earlier to begin with.|
Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
The Menagerie might make a good movie. It was already about two hours long, and it would be a nice change of pace from the shooty-camera-shake-lens-flare of the last movie, since the crew would have to think its way out of the mind games. And it has the opportunity for more gratuitous shots of Uhura in her panties, what with the Talosians wanting to breed humans as a servant race.
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Basically they'd have to rewrite the whole premise into some generic version like the Enterprise is sent on patrol and runs across this weird planet where the kooky aliens kidnap Kirk and crew and mind-trick them into kinky snu-snu for breeding purposes.
Sure I totally get the idea about creating an excuse to get Uhura to strip down to her underwear again. I'm just not sure the rest of the movie would be worth seeing if that was the main goal.
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Yeah I suppose they could do some kind of revamped Squire of Gathos based movie. The idea could be expanded so that it was more like a pseudo-Matrix environment where the Q villain tricked them into believing all sorts of things either good or bad.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Perhaps an adaptation of the Squire of Gothos? We never knew what race he was from, until Peter David' TNG novel Q-Squared revealed he was an adolescent Q and the Q that we all love to hate is both his mentor and secretly his father.
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Maybe this could be blended with the TOS episodes "Shore Leave", "Arena" and/or "The Gamesters of Triskelion" where the Q behind the illusions use them to entertain themselves at the expense of Kirk and company. With that it could be sort of a commentary on the evils of reality TV and/or what happens when you lose your self control.
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If I understand the nu-Trek timeline, the Enterprise was only just constructed in the movie hence it couldn't have gone to Talos 4 at all. |
Originally Posted by Lothic
The problem with adapting The Menagerie to the JJTrek universe is that they've already significantly changed the history/fate of Captain Pike. Yes they got him into a wheelchair by the end of the last movie. But I honestly don't see Nu-Spock caring much about breaking the law to get Pike to Talos IV (especially after Vulcan just went boom) or even that the Enterprise would have gone to Talos IV in the new timeline years earlier to begin with.
Basically they'd have to rewrite the whole premise into some generic version like the Enterprise is sent on patrol and runs across this weird planet where the kooky aliens kidnap Kirk and crew and mind-trick them into kinky snu-snu for breeding purposes. Sure I totally get the idea about creating an excuse to get Uhura to strip down to her underwear again. I'm just not sure the rest of the movie would be worth seeing if that was the main goal. |
But at least Kirk shouldn't perish on Veridian 3 in the future of this new timeline.
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One wonders if the "All-knowing" "all seeing" Q have noted the time change from the last movie. One would think that such an event would garner their attention.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Yeah I suppose they could do some kind of revamped Squire of Gathos based movie. The idea could be expanded so that it was more like a pseudo-Matrix environment where the Q villain tricked them into believing all sorts of things either good or bad.
Maybe this could be blended with the TOS episodes "Shore Leave", "Arena" and/or "The Gamesters of Triskelion" where the Q behind the illusions use them to entertain themselves at the expense of Kirk and company. With that it could be sort of a commentary on the evils of reality TV and/or what happens when you lose your self control. |
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Like...go back in time and find a humpback whale!
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Kirk & co went back to 19something but the alternate timeline started much later, like four hundred years or so.
So is there a point in space-time where old Kirk is stealing a whale, even though he never existed that way in the new timeline?
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You realize that by extension you are pretty much saying you will never watch another new Star Trek movie again, ever, regardless of who makes it. Unless you know of a way to bring Roddenberry back from the dead any new Star Trek that's -ever- going to be made in the future is going to have to be made by someone else. Imagine where we'd be if people had decided to stop producing Shakespeare plays after his death just because he wasn't around to supervise them. |
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I love Star Trek.
I will not be seeing any Trek movie made by Abrams. Even if it means never seeing a new Star Trek movie again. |
Now I'll be the first to tell you that I think Abrams has made some serious blunders with the franchise and it's very clear he doesn't have a completely firm grasp on what he's doing with it. He's a skilled movie maker but he's almost completely clueless about the historical details of Star Trek. It's a weird scenario, but for all Abrams' faults there are some good things buried in his mess and for the sake of getting to enjoy newly created Star Trek material I'm going to continue to give him a chance.
I look at it this way: Even if Abrams is not the perfect caretaker for the franchise he's at least carrying the torch right now for future storytellers. Perhaps someday someone better will be able to take over who'll benefit from Abrams' current efforts of keeping the franchise alive.
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Or he didn't..and the humpback whales are now extinct again and the whale probe is coming.
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Originally Posted by Nos482
Yeah, about that...
Kirk & co went back to 19something but the alternate timeline started much later, like four hundred years or so. So is there a point in space-time where old Kirk is stealing a whale, even though he never existed that way in the new timeline? |
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He still could. Nu-Kirk could still do it as well, but there are such things in the Trek universe as divergent timelines so Ol-Kirk could and will still do it. Ol-Kirk goes back into his past to steal a whale which in happenstance is also the past of the Nu-Trek. Nu-Kirk could still steal whales, but likely at a different time and place. Blows your mind..huh? I could draw you a chart...|
Originally Posted by Nos482
Yeah, about that...
Kirk & co went back to 19something but the alternate timeline started much later, like four hundred years or so. So is there a point in space-time where old Kirk is stealing a whale, even though he never existed that way in the new timeline? |
Just a thought: ...Or Ol-Spock could just create a device with the recorded whale conversations from his timeline to prevent the event from happening at all in the new timeline. He probably doesn't even need the previous recording, as he did mind meld with a whale so he should know how to simulate the conversation.
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The new time line didn't destroy the old time line. Star Trek has always had multiple time lines. Mirrored Universe is like a fan favorite.
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Originally Posted by Nos482
Yeah, about that...
Kirk & co went back to 19something but the alternate timeline started much later, like four hundred years or so. So is there a point in space-time where old Kirk is stealing a whale, even though he never existed that way in the new timeline? |
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If that was the case, then they never had to bring back the whales, as Spock mind melded with the whale, and still took them back.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
He still could. Nu-Kirk could still do it as well, but there are such things in the Trek universe as divergent timelines so Ol-Kirk could and will still do it. Ol-Kirk goes back into his past to steal a whale which in happenstance is also the past of the Nu-Trek. Nu-Kirk could still steal whales, but likely at a different time and place. Blows your mind..huh? I could draw you a chart...
Just a thought: ...Or Ol-Spock could just create a device with the recorded whale conversations from his timeline to prevent the event from happening at all in the new timeline. He probably doesn't even need the previous recording, as he did mind meld with a whale so he should know how to simulate the conversation. |
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Time was still a factor, and Spock couldn't be sure what the conversation would be like. Like Batman, Ol-Spock now has had plenty of time to plan, plus has the experience of having witnessed and scanned the event.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
If that was the case, then they never had to bring back the whales, as Spock mind melded with the whale, and still took them back.
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I'm a bit wary of introducing all-powerful beings into a movie for the general public, but if I was going to do so, it would be the Organians. I would combine Errand of Mercy with Arena.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Yeah I suppose they could do some kind of revamped Squire of Gathos based movie. The idea could be expanded so that it was more like a pseudo-Matrix environment where the Q villain tricked them into believing all sorts of things either good or bad.
Maybe this could be blended with the TOS episodes "Shore Leave", "Arena" and/or "The Gamesters of Triskelion" where the Q behind the illusions use them to entertain themselves at the expense of Kirk and company. With that it could be sort of a commentary on the evils of reality TV and/or what happens when you lose your self control. |
Beginning: Full scale war between Federation and Klingon Empire. Excuse to open with a massive space battle. Enterprise is mysteriously ordered away from the front lines to protect a backwater planet called Organia. This time round Nu-Kirk manages to REALLY tick-off the natives, and is teleported off to fight it out with Kor man to man. Kirk wins, spares Kor's life, and convinces the Organians not to isolate humans and klingons to their home planets. Peace ensues. In the end it is revealed that Spock Prime was responsible for sending the Enterprise to Organia, in order to bring about an end to the war.
(My feeling is Spock Prime would be very cautious about sharing future knowledge, and when he does so it will be to try and make sure the new timeline is as close as possible to the old one.)
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You're thinking Under Siege (sub vs battleship), the original trope is sub Vs destroyer as found in the classic WWII movies Run Silent Run Deep and The Enemy Below.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
... did the "submarine vs Battleship" scenario ...
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As cool as it might be to see a new movie where they have to defeat a Doomsday Machine or some other non-human sci-fi threat I don't think today's movie makers would risk making a movie without an actual "evil villain" that Kirk and company can face eye-to-eye. That's probably why the first Star Trek movie didn't do so well because it was hard for general audiences to accept an "enemy" they couldn't really see as a clearly defined bad guy.
As to Khan gaining control of the Doomsday Machine, that would be similar to the TNG novel VENDETTA, that gave us the Doomsday Machine model 2, about 4 times the size with 10 times the fire power and it was found, activated and controlled by a member of Guinan's people. She wanted vengeance on the Borg and it turns out the machines were made to destroy the Borg. What Kirk stopped was a prototype on automatic pilot, this other model was far deadlier.
Perhaps another idea for a Trek movie would be to expand upon the episode Balance of Terror where the Romulans were testing their new cloak and plasma torpedoes.
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